2024 ram 2500 Uncontrollable Trailer Sway

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Thanks for the further responses.
Actually, I am willing to take responsibility if the fault was mine.
However, having gone through the situation, the loading, setup, etc. I am not yet willing to do so.
IF I did do something wrong, then I personally legitimately would DEFINITELY want to know so I can correct it.
I never want to put myself, my family or anyone else on the road in danger.
I do take all opinions with a grain of salt. I know my trailer was loaded and set up correctly...and no one on here can honestly say that a couple inched of tongue height difference will cause the sway that caused my accident...or almost every lifted truck pulling a trailer would crash. Rarely do you see a pickup pulling a trailer sitting perfectly level going down the road. Should they be as close as possible, yes, but... it doesn't happen.
No one, and I mean no one can say they they measure fender heights before and after time they load and set up a trailer to ensure perfect level, nor can they say they CAT scale their truck and trailer to ensure perfect weight distribution and tongue weight. That's not reality.
So, those who are judgmental and only throwing out accusations and un-factual BS just to stir the $^!t pot just stay away from your keyboard.
People come to forums like this to try to figure things out what is or might have been or done wrong.
If I didn't, I wouldn't be here.
I will note, it's curious, that no one seems willing to even contemplate for a moment that there could actually be something wrong with actual truck...

If you haven't scaled the truck as it was set up, you don't know that things weren't loaded correctly.

And yes, I can say, with certainty, that a trailer with more than one axle* that isn't sitting close to level WILL be much more prone to sway than one that is sitting level. It has to do with how much weight is on each axle, and the further out of level the trailer is, the more one axle is loaded over the other. Yes, most trailer suspensions are set up to somewhat combat this, but not all of them, and they don't all do a good job when they are set up to do so. It isn't so much about getting the trailer 'perfectly' level, but rather getting it CLOSE to level, and the closer the better.

*I add this note to mention that single-axle trailers are prone to sway at any angle, because they only have two tires on the ground. Some of the most unstable trailers are single-axle utility trailers and single-axle pop up campers.

And as mentioned a LOT of guys on here run by a CAT scale every now and then to check themselves. Every tow? No. But those who DO hit the CAT scales have some of the most experience towing and can 'eyeball' it pretty close, myself included. I have noticed that those who have the factory air system seem to be the ones who hit the scales more often, because that air system CAN disguise a mis-loaded trailer.

For instance, when we bought our current TT, I let the dealer set up the WD hitch. The tech was so proud of himself for having 'half an inch of squat front and rear' of my truck (a 2017 PW). It towed TERRIBLY, I couldn't get over 60 mph without it swaying. I made an adjustment to the angle of the hitch head to reduce some of the pressure on the WD bars, and suddenly I could run up to 70 with no sway, rock steady, trailer just about perfectly level.

All that said, no, none of us have said there ISN'T something wrong with your truck - there could well be. The only way to know is to have it inspected by someone, which you haven't said you have done. What we HAVE said is that there are hundreds of THOUSANDS of these trucks on the road with the EXACT same suspension as you, who have absolutely ZERO issues with it and sway. I believe you mentioned that this is your first truck with the factory air suspension, and like ALL air systems, when you start the truck it's going to adjust it to a pre-set ride height REGARDLESS of the weight - or blow out trying to get there. So if you DID have too much tongue weight and your front axle was unloaded, it's likely you wouldn't have been able to tell just by eyeballing it. It's just like if you had a leaf-spring truck and had air bags on it - if you load everything up and air those bags up til it all sits level, sure, it LOOKS right, but without running over a scale you would never know for sure.

Your response reads like you have made up your mind that you didn't do anything wrong already, and aren't going to change your mind. But unless you take the truck in to be inspected, and then set everything back up as you had it and run over a scale, you won't know for sure.
 

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I do take all opinions with a grain of salt. I know my trailer was loaded and set up correctly...and no one on here can honestly say that a couple inched of tongue height difference will cause the sway that caused my accident...or almost every lifted truck pulling a trailer would crash. Rarely do you see a pickup pulling a trailer sitting perfectly level going down the road. Should they be as close as possible, yes, but... it doesn't happen.
No one, and I mean no one can say they they measure fender heights before and after time they load and set up a trailer to ensure perfect level, nor can they say they CAT scale their truck and trailer to ensure perfect weight distribution and tongue weight. That's not reality.
So, those who are judgmental and only throwing out accusations and un-factual BS just to stir the $^!t pot just stay away from your keyboard.
People come to forums like this to try to figure things out what is or might have been or done wrong.
If I didn't, I wouldn't be here.
I will note, it's curious, that no one seems willing to even contemplate for a moment that there could actually be something wrong with actual truck...
Actually most people that tow alot their rigs are set to almost level or as close as they can get it.. As well as scaling and measuring alot of people to take the time to makes sure the load is where it needs to be and the weights are proper. I don't have scales close buy but i spent a day getting my TT setup properly. Same with my other trailers i have had them loaded up and noticed when driving things were just not right, pull over and move the load around and im off and running.
Just because you loaded your trailer one way with your old truck does not mean its the same on this truck, the more unlevel the trailer is the more weight gets transferred to the back of the trailer..
You made a mistake fix the mistake learn and move on.. Its not the veh fault..
 

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I will note, it's curious, that no one seems willing to even contemplate for a moment that there could actually be something wrong with actual truck...

The truck is at your house, not mine. If there is a blown bag, cracked sway bar, tire out of alignment, then you go take a picture and show us how there was a mechanical issue and none of this is your fault. Until then, we can only assume that everything was in working order.....

.........and when everything is in working order, no one here is taking your side because of the 693 people that have viewed this thread so far, no one has had this issue. There IS an issue with the air systems in these trucks slowly leaking down overnight after you shut them off, but as far as how they operate under a load, I've only ever seen good things said about them.

When something breaks/crashes/gets lost/etc, it's the operator's fault until proven otherwise. When a high school kid crashes his car, we don't start blaming the brakes, bad steering, too much weight in the back seat, we all go "oh ya, the stupid high school kid crashed his car" and we go about our day. If he says he hit the brake pedal and nothing happened then we would investigate that later, but until then....

We aren't ragging on you because we want to, it's because the only common denominator here is you and thus far you have denied having any responsibility in what happened.
 

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Yes, I am on many forums with this exact same issue.
I want to know how to fix it.
I want to hear how others have had a similar issue and how they were finally able to resolve it.
The more people giving input, hopefully non-accusing but helpful input, the more accurately and quickly I can resolve my issue.
I just happened across the post in the other forum that you posted in and it seems that ALL of the responses are identical to the ones here. Give everyone's recommendation a shot. I'd be willing to bet you'll be able to solve the problem with adjusting the load. It's free, it's easy, and relatively quick to fix the problem and get back to enjoying the truck. :)
 

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Hate to say it, but "Told You So". Like I said before, show us the mechanical defect on the pickup or Bog off!

It is not going to matter one lick if 5000 people tell this OP the same thing. He is going to deny, deflect, and shortly disappear because we aren't validating him with a participation trophy.
 

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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes if you've done something a certain way for so long and it worked, it takes a bit to rationalize that you miscalculated. I think we've all done it. Little harm (thankfully), no foul. At least he realizes that something needs to be done to prevent it again. Maybe it is the truck, the operator, or a combination of multiple things. Hard to say for sure on a forum. Let's just help him solve it.
 

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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes if you've done something a certain way for so long and it worked, it takes a bit to rationalize that you miscalculated. I think we've all done it. Little harm (thankfully), no foul. At least he realizes that something needs to be done to prevent it again. Maybe it is the truck, the operator, or a combination of multiple things. Hard to say for sure on a forum. Let's just help him solve it.
Generally I agree with helping, but when they won't take any of the advice being offered I lose interest in the OP's problems. I am the same way with people face to face. Ask for input then argue endlessly that I am full of crap, last time I have any interest in helping that person.
 

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I know that’s a bad experience.Been there done that once. I am considering purchasing this product from TUSON. I believe lippert makes one also. It a new generation of controllers. It senses the beginning of a sway & begins braking on the side needed for control of swaying.Best of luck to you.

Tuson Sway Control (TSC-1000)​

 

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No, a WDW was not being used, nor has this trailer ever needed one to pull safely, and it has been used to haul large fork lifts, tractors, skid steers and more without thought.
Sorry but you need to add an anti-sway hitch. Unless the truck has been modified from factory specs (raised/lowered), trailer sway always starts with the trailer. NOT the truck.
1. Get to a CAT scale and check the weights. You probably don't have 15% of the trailer's weight on the hitch.
2. If the weight is good, add an anti-sway hitch.
3. If the trailer has only hydraulic brakes and can't be manually engaged / operated by the driver... I'd bet good money that the trailer is overloaded for what you want to use it for. It may have always been overloaded and your luck just ran out.
 

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I know that’s a bad experience.Been there done that once. I am considering purchasing this product from TUSON. I believe lippert makes one also. It a new generation of controllers. It senses the beginning of a sway & begins braking on the side needed for control of swaying.Best of luck to you.

Tuson Sway Control (TSC-1000)​

Good idea for trailers with the right brakes, the problem is, the trailer the OP was using had hydraulic surge brakes. The advanced controller would have made no difference.
 

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Not to hijack the thread but what is the best way to determine tougue weight? My thinking would be to weight the truck with out the trailer then weight the truck with the loaded trailer attached (but not weight the trailer ie trailer tires not on the scale). The difference in weight is the tougue weight. Is this the best/correct way to measure the tougue weight?
 

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I have no experience with the newer 3/4 tons, or air rides so just a thought , really check out all the links and bushings. get a couple guys and push sidways on rear end and watch under side.
New could still have a problem.
To me as has been said , sound like too light on the hitch.
 

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So if I’m understanding your comment correctly.Surge brakes are an independent braking system with no vehicle control inputs. Thanks for letting me know.
Yes, a surge brake relies on pressure on the hitch head where it hooks onto the ball to send hydraulic fluid to apply the brakes. The head actually has a hinge on it. VERY poor braking setup on a 10,000 lb trailer.

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I fully understand now. Thanks for taking the time. I’ve seen one on a boat trailer.
 

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It isn’t the truck! There are how many trucks out there with coil springs on the rear??? Coils and airbag suspension are pretty much the same thing. Your trailer was either loaded wrong, or there is an issue with the trailer
 

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Not to hijack the thread but what is the best way to determine tougue weight? My thinking would be to weight the truck with out the trailer then weight the truck with the loaded trailer attached (but not weight the trailer ie trailer tires not on the scale). The difference in weight is the tougue weight. Is this the best/correct way to measure the tougue weight?
Best way to do it is to load the truck and camper as if you're going camping. Go to a CAT scale. Disengage your weight distribution system (if any). Weight the setup (people and pets included)
Pull into on of those 18 wheeler spots, disconnect the trailer and weight the truck again (people and pets included)
The differences on the truck axle weights will tell you your tongue weight.
 

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Let's walk probably the in between of what's happening. The air suspension won't make the trailer sway, if anything it will hide a problem of the weight on the rear end causing the front axle to be light resulting in swaying between both the truck and trailer. The truck and trailer will look level but the weights on the axles will be off, far too many people claim that a WDH isn't needed but it's how the all axles are loaded that determines that.
I've posted this video before, it usually takes visual proof showing the difference between air bags and a WDH for people to believe it

Only other things that could be a culprit would be loose bushings on the four link and panhard bars.
This is why I argue about chassis sag in the rear, and am anti airbag as a correction. If loaded heavy in the tongue and you have springs, airbags, or hell solid steel bars in the rear of the truck it is removing the same amount of weight from the front axle. Only 4 ways to remedy this 1: longer wheel base 2: counter weight in front of front bumper 3: weight distributing hitch 4: load the trailer correctly.
 

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I always wondered if you could pull into a weigh station and use their scale.
Do they charge?
 

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