4x4 problem Ram 2013+ 8-speed 44-44 transfer case

[Moparman16]

The RSG website is supposed to be updated with the information on the kit by the end of the month.

 

[black14sport]

This has been going on for a while now, has anyone actually installed the kit or successfully swapped out for the 44-45 yet?

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[Moparman16]

I emailed back George at RSG last Monday about if the kit had been posted and this is what he said:

"NOT YET, WORKING ON THAT WITH A INSTALL GUIDE. I AM PULLING THE TEST UNIT THIS WED"


He then went on to describe the install process:

"I own a transfercase rebuilding company. This is so easy it's crazy. After you remove the rear cover that comes rite off its 2 snap rings. Remove clutch assembly then install my positive lock kit that replaces the clutch install one snap ring silicon rear cover and motor it's done

Tools needed:
40mm torx
Snap ring pliers
I use a flat razor to clean old sealer off and lacquer thinners to clean the to case halfs"

 

[black14sport]

I emailed back George at RSG last Monday about if the kit had been posted and this is what he said:

"NOT YET, WORKING ON THAT WITH A INSTALL GUIDE. I AM PULLING THE TEST UNIT THIS WED"


He then went on to describe the install process:

"I own a transfercase rebuilding company. This is so easy it's crazy. After you remove the rear cover that comes rite off its 2 snap rings. Remove clutch assembly then install my positive lock kit that replaces the clutch install one snap ring silicon rear cover and motor it's done

Tools needed:
40mm torx
Snap ring pliers
I use a flat razor to clean old sealer off and lacquer thinners to clean the to case halfs"

Fantastic! I can't wait, I talked to him last summer and he was up in the air saying it would be just as easy to install a 44-45 so I want sure what was going to happen.

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[Hemi395]

That's great news! Sounds like the hardest part would be removing/reinstalling the tcase...

 

[lukedukem]

Do you have to remove it?

Luke

 

[Hemi395]

Good point, not sure....

 

[Moparman16]

Just a heads up, George from RSG emailed me today with the following information:

"I AM REDOING THE WEB SITE AS WE SPEAK. I'LL HAVE 10 KITS IN A FEW DAYS THEN ABOUT 100 IN 6 - 8 WEEKS.

THANK YOU,
GEORGE"

I'm not sure if the kit will be posted to the RSG website or Transfer Case Unlimited website as they are both operated by George. His contact info is below for anyone who wants to try and get one of those first 10 kits.

TRANSFERCASE UNLIMITED INC.
265 CORTLAND STREET
LINDENHURST NY 11757
SHOP 631 226 1448
EMAIL [email protected]

 

[BigDogg795]

Just a heads up, George from RSG emailed me today with the following information:



"I AM REDOING THE WEB SITE AS WE SPEAK. I'LL HAVE 10 KITS IN A FEW DAYS THEN ABOUT 100 IN 6 - 8 WEEKS.



THANK YOU,

GEORGE"



I'm not sure if the kit will be posted to the RSG website or Transfer Case Unlimited website as they are both operated by George. His contact info is below for anyone who wants to try and get one of those first 10 kits.



TRANSFERCASE UNLIMITED INC.

265 CORTLAND STREET

LINDENHURST NY 11757

SHOP 631 226 1448

EMAIL [email protected]

Ha! Apparently he's 25 minutes away from my house; at least when the kit comes out I should be able to have him help me out I hope!


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[Hemi395]

I'm not finding the kit on either site...

 

[Moparman16]

I'd suggest just emailing him yourself then and he should be able to set you up.

 

[lukedukem]

Do you have to remove the transfer case

Luke

 

[loveracing1988]

Do you have to remove the transfer case

Luke

You would have to remove the transfer case because the clutch would be one of the last things out of it.

 

[laffs]

This thread made me a bit nervous since I frequently used 4lock in my old 06 and my new 16 has the auto button. We finally got a good snow dump last night so I decided to play a little with my truck before work this morning.

4auto you can definitely feel the back slide a little before the fronts grip. It's not a powerslide or anything, but you feel it get a little loose before pulling forward.

4lock I was having a hard time getting the back to feel loose or slide, mind you I'm not putting it to the floor or anything. Felt very similar to my 06, not as powerful of a pull feeling from the front end (not sure if I'm describing it correctly) but still very sure footed and grippy.

Not sure if the 16's have different programming or anything, just sharing my results.

 

[Hemi395]

Thats good to know. It very well may have different programming. If it does, hopefully they will roll that out to the pre 16 trucks as a TSB...

 

[chesafreak]

Well almost lost my truck to the ocean yesterday. Had read about people issues with this case after I ordered but didnt think anything of it and figured I would be fine. Come to find out this thing sucks. Hit the sand and as I am going down the beach which is at a angle the whole rear end starts sliding out down the towards the ocean. You could tell that the rear wheels were digging more than the front wheels when I got out to lower the tire pressure. The rears were buried while the front was still somewhat on top.

After dropping pressure alot I was able to get momentum but then as I tried to turn up the hill to get off the beach the whole truck basically bogged down and felt like I was losing power to the truck. Has anyone noticed this? When in sand sometimes you just got to floor it and creep along slowly to get out of a situation. It was not letting me give power to the truck and pretty much stopped me dead in its tracks.

Has anyone written a little to FCA to see what there response was on this situation. Pretty disappointing that I need to be hesitant to go through any kind of soft sand where i may have to actually come to a stop for a little bit because I can not launch from a stop with the front locked.

 

[laffs]

Well almost lost my truck to the ocean yesterday. Had read about people issues with this case after I ordered but didnt think anything of it and figured I would be fine. Come to find out this thing sucks. Hit the sand and as I am going down the beach which is at a angle the whole rear end starts sliding out down the towards the ocean. You could tell that the rear wheels were digging more than the front wheels when I got out to lower the tire pressure. The rears were buried while the front was still somewhat on top.

After dropping pressure alot I was able to get momentum but then as I tried to turn up the hill to get off the beach the whole truck basically bogged down and felt like I was losing power to the truck. Has anyone noticed this? When in sand sometimes you just got to floor it and creep along slowly to get out of a situation. It was not letting me give power to the truck and pretty much stopped me dead in its tracks.

Has anyone written a little to FCA to see what there response was on this situation. Pretty disappointing that I need to be hesitant to go through any kind of soft sand where i may have to actually come to a stop for a little bit because I can not launch from a stop with the front locked.

Was your traction control on and kicking in?

 

[chesafreak]

Was your traction control on and kicking in?

Maybe thats what it was.. Im not used to this computer controlled stuff. My last truck was an 03 2500. That thing was a beast on the beach. Never aired down and never got stuck ever.

So am i missing something on what traction control does? Does it kill the engine when your slipping?

 

[black14sport]

Maybe thats what it was.. Im not used to this computer controlled stuff. My last truck was an 03 2500. That thing was a beast on the beach. Never aired down and never got stuck ever.

So am i missing something on what traction control does? Does it kill the engine when your slipping?

Basically yes. It's designed to derate your engine speed to make it not spin so much and try to give it a chance to send power to the other wheels. So if your looking to really floor it to get out of a hole you need to turn it off to take full advantage of the power and hope your front axle stays engaged

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[chesafreak]

Basically yes. It's designed to derate your engine speed to make it not spin so much and try to give it a chance to send power to the other wheels. So if your looking to really floor it to get out of a hole you need to turn it off to take full advantage of the power and hope your front axle stays engaged

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Appreciate the response. Started googling and found some stuff that the button doesnt even cut it off all the way. Found this from another forum.

Guess I need to go for a round 2 at the beach to see how the transfer case acts now. Even though I could tell that the truck was definitely digging in the rear more than the front.

Reading this it is saying there is a separate ESC button. All I see is the TCS on the center dash? Sorry if this is getting off topic from the transfer case.


Traction Control System (TCS) – If Equipped

The TCS monitors the amount of wheel spin of each of the driven wheels. If wheel spin is detected, brake pressure is applied to the slipping wheel(s), and engine power is reduced to provide enhanced acceleration and stability. A feature of the TCS functions similarly to a limited-slip differential and controls the wheel spin across a driven axle. If one wheel on a driven axle is spinning faster than the other, the system will apply the brake of the spinning wheel. This will allow more engine torque to be applied to the wheel that is not spinning. This feature remains active even if TCS and ESC are in the “Partial Off” mode. Refer to “Electronic Stability Control (ESC)” in this section of this manual. This brake pressure modulation transfers drive torque from slipping to non-slipping wheels to provide optimal forward traction.
Electronic Stability Control (ESC) – If Equipped

The ESC system enhances directional control and stability of the vehicle under various driving conditions. ESC corrects for oversteering or understeering of the vehicle by applying the brake of the appropriate wheel to assist in counteracting the oversteer or understeer condition. Engine power may also be reduced to help the vehicle maintain the desired path.
ESC uses sensors in the vehicle to determine the vehicle path intended by the driver and compares it to the actual path of the vehicle. When the actual path does not match the intended path, ESC applies the brake of the appropriate wheel to assist in counteracting the oversteer or understeer condition.
Oversteer - when the vehicle is turning more than appropriate for the steering wheel position.
Understeer - when the vehicle is turning less than appropriate for the steering wheel position.

All Two-Wheel Drive Vehicles and Four-Wheel Drive Vehicles in 2WD, 4WD AUTO, or 4WD LOCK Modes Can Choose the Following ESP Operating Modes:


ESC On
This is the normal operating mode for ESC in 2WD/4WD AUTO/4WD LOCK modes and in 2WD vehicles. Whenever the vehicle is started or the transfer case (if equipped) is shifted from 4WD LOW or Neutral, back to 4WD LOCK or 4WD AUTO, the ESC system will be in this mode. This mode should be used for almost all driving situations. ESC should only be turned to “Partial Off” or “ESP Off” for specific reasons as noted below.

ESC Partial Off
This mode is entered by momentarily pressing the “ESC Off” switch. When in "Partial Off" mode, the TCS portion of ESC, except for the “limited slip” feature described in the TCS section, has been disabled and the "ESC Off Indicator Light" will be illuminated. All other stability features of ESC function normally. This mode is intended to be used if the vehicle is in deep snow, sand, or gravel conditions and more wheel spin than ESC would normally allow is required to gain traction. To turn ESC on again, momentarily press the “ESC Off” switch. This will restore the normal “ESC On” mode of operation.
Note: To improve the vehicle's traction when driving with snow chains or starting off in deep snow, sand or gravel, it may be desirable to switch to the “Partial Off” mode by pressing the “ESC Off” switch. Once the situation requiring ESC to be switched to the “Partial Off” mode is overcome, turn ESC back on by momentarily pressing the “ESC Off” switch. This may be done while the vehicle is in motion.
Warning!In the “Partial Off” mode, the engine torque reduction and stability features are desensitized. Therefore, the enhanced vehicle stability offered by ESC is unavailable.


All Four-Wheel Drive Vehicles in 4WD AUTO and 4WD LOCK Modes Can Also Choose the Following ESC Operating Mode. This is the Only ESC Operating Mode in 4WD LOW:


Full Off
This mode is intended for off-road use when ESC stability features could inhibit vehicle maneuverability due to trail conditions. This mode is entered by pressing and holding the “ESC Off” switch for five seconds when the vehicle is stopped and the engine is running. After five seconds, the “ESP Off Indicator Light” will illuminate and the “ESC Off” message will appear in the odometer. Press and release the trip odometer button located on the instrument cluster to clear this message.
Note: The “ESC OFF” message will display and the audible chime will sound when the shift lever is placed into the PARK position from any other position and then moved out of the PARK position. This will occur even if the message was previously cleared.
In this mode, ESC and TCS except for the “limited slip” feature described in the TCS section are turned off until the vehicle reaches a speed of 40 mph (64 km/h). At 40 mph (64 km/h) the system returns to “Partial Off” mode, described above. When the vehicle speed drops below 35 mph (56 km/h) the ESC system shuts off. ESC is off at low vehicle speeds so that it will not interfere with off-road driving but ESC function returns to provide the stability feature at speeds above 40 mph (64 km/h). The “ESC Off Indicator Light” will always be illuminated when ESC is off. To turn ESC on again, momentarily press the “ESC Off” switch. This will restore the normal “ESC On” mode of operation.
“ESC Off” is the only operating mode for ESC in 4WD LOW. Whenever the vehicle is started in 4WD LOW or the transfer case (if equipped) is shifted from 4WD LOCK or NEUTRAL, to 4WD LOW, the ESC system will be in this mode.
Warning!With the ESC switched off, the enhanced vehicle stability offered by ESC is unavailable. In an emergency evasive maneuver the ESC system will not engage to assist in maintaining stability. “ESC Off” mode is intended for off-highway or off-road use only.
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ESC Activation/Malfunction Indicator Light and ESC OFF Indicator Light

The “ESC Activation/Malfunction Indicator Light” in the instrument cluster will come on when the ignition switch is turned to the ON position. It should go out with the engine running. If the “ESC Activation/Malfunction Indicator Light” comes on continuously with the engine running, a malfunction has been detected in the ESC system. If this light remains on after several ignition cycles, and the vehicle has been driven several miles (kilometers) at speeds greater than 30 mph (48 km/h), see your authorized dealer as soon as possible to have the problem diagnosed and corrected.

The “ESC Activation/Malfunction Indicator Light” (located in the instrument cluster) starts to flash as soon as the tires lose traction and the ESC system becomes active. The “ESC Activation/Malfunction Indicator Light” also flashes when TCS is active. If the “ESC Activation/Malfunction Indicator Light” begins to flash during acceleration, ease up on the accelerator and apply as little throttle as possible. Be sure to adapt your speed and driving to the prevailing road conditions.

Note:
The “ESC Activation/Malfunction Indicator Light” and the “ESC OFF Indicator Light” come on momentarily each time the ignition switch is turned ON.
Each time the ignition is turned ON, the ESC system will be ON even if it was turned off previously.
The ESC system will make buzzing or clicking sounds when it is active. This is normal; the sounds will stop when ESC becomes inactive following the maneuver that caused the ESC activation.

The “ESC OFF Indicator Light” indicates the Electronic Stability Control (ESC) is off.

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