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in the 2500, what is everyone running 90 or 140 weight (in the rear diff).
I think factory fill is 90.. Im having my rear end looked at by a shop to check for my backlash and pinion, and was thinking of going up a tad in viscosity as I will be pulling a 10K rv all summer long, and maybe quiet it down a tad if they find nothing else wrong.
 
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There is a discussion on this in the synthetic oil thread. Might want to give it a read.
 

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in the 2500, what is everyone running 90 or 140 weight (in the rear diff).
I think factory fill is 90.. Im having my rear end looked at by a shop to check for my backlash and pinion, and was thinking of going up a tad in viscosity as I will be pulling a 10K rv all summer long, and maybe quiet it down a tad if they find nothing else wrong.
I went to 140 redline when I got my new gears.
 

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I have ran Amsoil Severe Gear 75-90 in every differential I've ever changed oil in. Never a problem and I tow 12k-ish about 8k miles a year.
 

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ive always been an amsoil severe gear guy..smoothed out my JK Diffs and Motorcycles....

havent looked to see if it works with the required factory performance thresholds, but if it does, im in. ^ he just confirmed it i guess
 

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I go with Amsoil in all my rigs.
 
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Many personal favorites (Rearend).
I myself will drain the FF of my new 17 HD2500 around the 10K mile mark & add a new aluminum cover with a drain plug (making for easy/fast serviceability) & refill with RL 75W-110.

Every **** owner will have their preferred gear oil & viscosity (according to their personal driving habits & driving style).
Some will understand that! Most wont!
 
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A copy/paste comment I received from a member of the TDR regarding Rearend gear oil for the AAM 11.5”.

75W-140 is Actually not recommenced for any of the AAM HD axles, by Dodge nor AAM. I have called to and spoken with AAM about their 11. 5" axle. That axle and gears were designed to operate on 75w-90 under 99% of operating conditions. The engineer told me that unless you tow well above GCWR thru Death Valley in the summer that there is no benefit to 75w-140, infact it will detract from your mileage.

Hmmm? They now can magically design & produce gear sets to run/operate on specific viscositys of oil!

Mr Bailey was right: There is one born every minute.

I myself am not one bit concerned about mileage.
I want the best protection & longevity.

Main logic is just don’t neglect the service of this unit.
Especially if you tow med/heavy loads often for decent periods of time.
 

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Thanks for the info posted Dexter.

I apologize for the rant & For simply not being a follower.

I will stick with my RL 75W-110 selection.

A bit of intelligent info from Jim Allen:

A half ton truck with an 8.6-inch ring gear and holding 2.5 quarts of oil is going to run hotter than a 3/4-ton truck with an 11.5-inch ring gear and holding 4 quarts. The need for a thicker oil is more demonstrated.

OIl temp often dictates the viscosity choice and gear size vs the rated load is one of the variables that influences oil temp. There is less tooth contact with the smaller unit so more load is placed on less tooth area and more heat and pressure is developed and you need a thicker oil. The half-tons are obviously running closer to their load limits than the 3/4-tons (have you noticed how much the tow rating have increased on half-tons vs the past?). I think it very likely GM knew exactly what they were doing spec'ing a 75W90 for the 2500. You can double check them by installing an oil temp gauge. If you do, and seldom see temps above about 225 or so, you are good to go with 75W90 IMO.

Going thicker, like a 75W140, won't cost you a thing except fuel economy. More if your diff runs cold (oil more viscous) and less the hotter it runs. Bear in mind a higher viscosity than you need also can increase oil temp a little due to fluid friction.

Bottom line, a 75W140 or 110 isn't going to hurt the axle. If you tow a lot, especially in hot-ol-Texas, it might be a benefit. Thing is, you don't really know unless you've monitored oil temps over a long period. Going solo, based on all the miles I've put of 3/4 and half-ton trucks with oil temp gauges installed, I doubt you need a heavier oil.


The differences are very minor. Yes a 4.10:1 gearset will run a little hotter than 3.73:1 but it might be on the order of 5 degrees or less. You'd see a wider variance comparing 2.73s to 7.17s but, yeah, taller gears run cooler than shorter because there is more tooth contact. The load is spread out over a wider area leaving more surface for the oil.

His explanation cleared this up for me.

Select your gear oil viscosity based on your driving style/habits/climate!

SyN Disclaimer: I have zero issues or problems running the 75W-90 viscosity.
 
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One more bit of information from Jim Allen:
I promise I’m done!

If the gear oil stayed below 212F, the oil will oxidize very slowly and, IMO, a "lifetime" 100K fill is possible, once the break in materials are flushed at 5-10K. I hedge a little on that long OCI unless the diff has a magnet... which the Mag-Hytecs do... because contamination from wear metals is an issue in a filterless system like a diff. A good magnet does an admirable job in keeping the iron low. I like the Mag-Hytec because the magnet is a dipstick and you can pull it periodically to clean off the iron without having to drain any oil.

As with ATF, IMO, occasional and short spurts to higher temps up to 250 aren't a problem. It's sustained high temps that lets oxidation rear it's ugly head and degrade the oil.

You'll find that most trucks will run about 160-180F on the freeway empty, the range accounting for ambient temps. It takes a while to reach temp (when unloaded), especially with a system that holds a lot of oil. The oil lasts forever at those temps. Beyond that, it's all about load and that's so highly variable that I can't venture a guess. That's why you need the gauge. A sustained 225F IMO is at the upper end of normal (with a good oil) and well capable (again in my opinion) of lasting 40-60K miles (depending on the oil). A high quality oil maybe longer.

Here are some things you can count on as far as diff oil temps go:

a) More load= more heat. Load could be a carried or towed load, but also windage from speed and typical poor truck aerodynamics, grades, rolling resistance from sticky tires, etc.

b) A smaller ring gear will run hotter than a larger at the same load. A greater hypoid offset will also run hotter. Kind of a moot point these days since most diffs are around 1.5-in. Some older diffs, like the Ford 9-in. had greater offsets (2.38-in.) so ran a little hotter by nature.

c) A lower ratio (numerically higher, e.g. 4.10:1)will run hotter than a higher (numerically lower, e.g. 3.07:1) ratio.

d) Oil volume only delays the inevitable temperature but more volume does account for better cooling because of more surface area for cooling and a little more dwell time for the oil.

e) A slippery, friction reducing oil can account for a drop in temp (vs a lesser oil... it's all relative). I found a syn oil ran 10 degrees cooler than a "ordinary" conventional but I also found a well formulated conventional straight 90 that ran even cooler than the syn. I also recently saw lowered temps by going from a syn 75W140 to a conventional 80W90 and saw a small drop (5-10F) in normal operating temp.

f) Traction aids (limited slips & lockers) seem to have little or no effect on oil temp in normal driving.

g) Fluid friction from a heavier than needed viscosity causes higher temps. Ditto for overfilled units.

h) More speed= more heat. The faster you go at any load, the higher the temp.I drive around at 40 mph, the diff barely crack 100F. Drive 70, it runs at 180 in the same ambient temp. A good part of that is load, of course. I fairly regularly tow up to 31 tons (that's TONS, 62,000#) of grain wagons during harvest (braked trailers) to the elevator at the legal farm SMV 25 mph and the diff temp barely reached 150F after 5 miles on level ground. Towing 9K pounds at 60 mph takes me to 225F on level ground.

Some years back I did some testing and you can read about it here:

Diff Temp Test
 

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I have used a lot of Lucas Products in the past with good luck but by that write up they produce one of the worst gear oils. Looks like I will be running Amsoil when it becomes time to change.
 

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I have used a lot of Lucas Products in the past with good luck but by that write up they produce one of the worst gear oils. Looks like I will be running Amsoil when it becomes time to change.

I think the write up was put together by Amsoil and it has been discredited.

If you look at some of the tests in that Amsoil paper; Lucas was in the class of Royal Purple and Mopar. Some tests are similar to Red Line. All good gear oils.

Also, that study is old.

Compare the specs in the study vs Lucas
https://lucasoil.com/pdf/TDS_Lucas-Synthetic-SAE-75W-90.pdf



I use Lucas Gear oil.

& Lucas Fuel system treatment.

In the past in my Dakota I have used

Lucas Syn oil additive

Lucas Transmission stop leak

Lucas Power stearing stop leak
 
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68PW: Like I stated the information I posted (Jim’s) knowledge is dated but gear sets nor Differentials have not changed very much at all since then.
So his general information posted has & will not change.

Now some of the gear oils have changed.
Results can vary in every unbiased test given.

"I have Nothing against Lucas Products".

I just have had no reason to ever use them. {Lucas Oils}
The oils & fluids I have used for the past 37yrs ALL have worked amazingly.

I wanted to come back and be honest.
I visually have never witnessed a oil related test or testing of Lucas Oils were the independent testers had the Lucas Oil products near the top rated when being tested against all the other major oils.

If anyone actually has white paper data testing from a or group of Independent {Unbiased} testers could you please post the Results. I would really be interested.
It by no means would convert me to use the products but it would be interesting to see.

Thanks!
 
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68PW: Like I stated the information I posted (Jim’s) knowledge is dated but gear sets nor Differentials have not changed very much at all since then.
So his general information posted has & will not change.

Now some of the gear oils have changed.
Results can vary in every unbiased test given.

"I have Nothing against Lucas Products".

I just have had no reason to ever use them. {Lucas Oils}
The oils & fluids I have used for the past 37yrs ALL have worked amazingly.

I wanted to come back and be honest.
I visually have never witnessed a oil related test or testing of Lucas Oils were the independent testers had the Lucas Oil products near the top rated when being tested against all the other major oils.

If anyone actually has white paper data testing from a or group of Independent {Unbiased} testers could you please post the Results. I would really be interested.
It by no means would convert me to use the products but it would be interesting to see.

Thanks!
I searched and haven't seen one.

The only thing you have to go by are the GL Classifications the lube meets. Lucas lists their and they cover API, Military and MACK. It also contains LS additive; which is nice.

I tow a lot and change my gear lube based upon the severe use mileage.

I've tried Mobil 1 in my Dakota and the rear diff was noisy. I changed to Lucas; quiet.
 

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I skimmed over the rants but as a person who tests these axles on a daily basis you are doing nothing going to a thicker weight oil. The bearings are designed for a certain flow that you could actually cut down on with a thicker oil. Do what you want but it won't help.

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