Blackstone - used oil analysis

[06 Dodge]

Who says cummins says spun microglass causes abrasives? You can see our uoa's and testing paper in syn thread, this is fake filter news, lol. Show me proof anywhere else.

Included URL in case the below does not show all of the words I copied. Page #2 where they are comparing Cummins filter to Donaldson filters: https://www.cumminsfiltration.com/sites/default/files/LT36539.pdf

 

[Travis8352]

Who says cummins says spun microglass causes abrasives? You can see our uoa's and testing paper in syn thread, this is fake filter news, lol. Show me proof anywhere else.

Ill find it but there is a fleetgard engineer on BITOG and he posted up some info about it. They claim that their new media is better than spun microglass and in one of the ways its better is that it doesnt let any abrasive particles from the microglass media into the engine. Ill find the info soon

 

[HEMIMANN]

I'll bite - what is "inorganic glass"? Just Marketing blubber?

Organic molecules require a carbon atom backbone chain, so of course glass is inorganic. wtf?

Edit: I opened the link - these f*u*c*k*e*r*s have gone to wound polypropylene string, just like my house sediment water filters!

Some of you might remember when I questioned how this is appropriate for hot engine oil because PP melting was not far from oil sump temp!!!!

 

[Burla]

Included URL in case the below does not show all of the words I copied. Page #2 where they are comparing Cummins filter to Donaldson filters: https://www.cumminsfiltration.com/sites/default/files/LT36539.pdf

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thanks, I will look at those later to see what they say proof is. And fleetguard filters are made from? Is it something other then paper?

 

[Burla]

I'll bite - what is "inorganic glass"? Just Marketing blubber?

Organic molecules require a carbon atom backbone chain, so of course glass is inorganic. wtf?

Edit: I opened the link - these f*u*c*k*e*r*s have gone to wound polypropylene string, just like my house sediment water filters!

Some of you might remember when I questioned how this is appropriate for hot engine oil because PP melting was not far from oil sump temp!!!!

Oh yeah I see, they are trying to propose their poly filters are better then spun glass, to me this is all good news right. The main thing is to get things other then paper in the marketplace. Now, they put "glass" as abrasive, but this isnt "glass" They say "glass" is harder then pistons, well we certainly know the spun glass isnt harder then pistons. I see no proof, but I will say I like everything about it. Dudes are on offense, I likey. Not only marketing hard, but actually developing some good filters. Thanks for posting..

 

[HEMIMANN]

Yup. 1st time I've heard that the glass fibers broke into shards and beat up the engine (basically grinding wheel dust) - not only that, wouldn't we have heard about engine wear or damage in the 40 years they've been making fiberglass oil filters? Marketers rarely release truths, so we may never know.

Anyway, I'm fine with "organic" oil filter media (i.e. - plastic!) except for that little tidbit about melting point of the plastic I discussed before.

And then there's the whole thing with sucking oil out of the ground, making a plastic, and tossing into a landfill.

But thanks to @06 Dodge for spilling the beans to all of us!

 

[06 Dodge]

I'll bite - what is "inorganic glass"? Just Marketing blubber?

Organic molecules require a carbon atom backbone chain, so of course glass is inorganic. wtf?

Edit: I opened the link - these f*u*c*k*e*r*s have gone to wound polypropylene string, just like my house sediment water filters!

Some of you might remember when I questioned how this is appropriate for hot engine oil because PP melting was not far from oil sump temp!!!!

Did you happen to notice they are using nanonet fiber media in some of there oil filters that also have duel filtering capabilities similar to a by pass filter part of the oil flow down to 5 microns...

 

[HEMIMANN]

Did you happen to notice they are using nanonet fiber media in some of there oil filters that also have duel filtering capabilities similar to a by pass filter part of the oil flow down to 5 microns...

No, thanks. Still in a state of shock over the whole polypropylene thing.

Having said that, Fleetguard long sold "Combo" oil filters that were half full flow and half bypass. The elements in each had very different efficiencies. The reason they did this is so prime power users could change filters on the fly without engine shutdown - instead of having dedicated full flow and bypass filters.

This also makes me wonder if this isn't what Fram Ultra Synthetic did with their redesigned 2-layer oil filters?

 

[HEMIMANN]

Venturi™ Combo Lube Filters | Cummins Filtration

More than 75% of contamination found in engine oil is soot. Soot is the major wear-causing component of an engine. At Cummins Filtration, we understand that soot removal is the key to more reliable equipment and increased profitability. Our Venturi Combo series lube filters use advanced design...

www.cumminsfiltration.com

 

[06 Dodge]

Venturi™ Combo Lube Filters | Cummins Filtration

More than 75% of contamination found in engine oil is soot. Soot is the major wear-causing component of an engine. At Cummins Filtration, we understand that soot removal is the key to more reliable equipment and increased profitability. Our Venturi Combo series lube filters use advanced design...

www.cumminsfiltration.com

I see they have made several changes to that filter from back in the day, I stopped using the Strapore back in 2012, I an many others went to the ELF that filtered oil down to 15 microns, almost a must on the older 5.9 CTD...

 

[Burla]

Did you happen to notice they are using nanonet fiber media in some of there oil filters that also have duel filtering capabilities similar to a by pass filter part of the oil flow down to 5 microns...

Do they make one for the 5.7, might be a contender. It cant hurt, get a longer oci on it like they do rigs, which is what they use it for.

Hemimann did you have an issue with the poly? Is that what puro was using? In that test on page 93 filter thread it didnt translate to what they purpose as far as microns. Still like it better then paper regardless. They at one point said "smartfusion" media was poly I thought, I cant find it. Puro boss poly or spun glass?

 

[HEMIMANN]

I see they have made several changes to that filter from back in the day, I stopped using the Strapore back in 2012, I an many others went to the ELF that filtered oil down to 15 microns, almost a must on the older 5.9 CTD...

Yer making me the fossil I've turned into lol. But I still enjoy learning knew stuff from you guys, for which I thank you for sharing!

 

[HEMIMANN]

Do they make one for the 5.7, might be a contender. It cant hurt, get a longer oci on it like they do rigs, which is what they use it for.

Hemimann did you have an issue with the poly? Is that what puro was using? In that test on page 93 filter thread it didnt translate to what they purpose as far as microns. Still like it better then paper regardless. They at one point said "smartfusion" media was poly I thought, I cant find it. Puro boss poly or spun glass?

Dunno, boss - except for the melting point of polypropylene being not far from sump oil temp - hottest oil @ cylinder high wall and heads would melt polypropylene!!

I s'pose polypro is ok for house water sediment. But just think how tough our guts get drinking glass shard water!

 

[Travis8352]

Do they make one for the 5.7, might be a contender. It cant hurt, get a longer oci on it like they do rigs, which is what they use it for.

Hemimann did you have an issue with the poly? Is that what puro was using? In that test on page 93 filter thread it didnt translate to what they purpose as far as microns. Still like it better then paper regardless. They at one point said "smartfusion" media was poly I thought, I cant find it. Puro boss poly or spun glass?

They dont make one with the nanonet media. They do make a stratapore filter for a 5.7 but it uses a nitrile ADBV

 

[Travis8352]

Do they make one for the 5.7, might be a contender. It cant hurt, get a longer oci on it like they do rigs, which is what they use it for.

Hemimann did you have an issue with the poly? Is that what puro was using? In that test on page 93 filter thread it didnt translate to what they purpose as far as microns. Still like it better then paper regardless. They at one point said "smartfusion" media was poly I thought, I cant find it. Puro boss poly or spun glass?

Puro boss is poly but i dont think its the same poly as cummins is using atleast not in the nanonet filters

 

[HEMIMANN]

Soot isn't as much of an issue for gasoline engine oil, esp. Non GDI engines. I wouldn't be too concerned about nanomesh filtration, esp. for Hemi engines. Good filtration 20 microns should be sufficient. Fram Ultra and Royal Purple give us that from test data we've seen.

 

[JHoward]

Here are my results from Blackstone Labs that I received today.

 

[Burla]

Both last runs 5w30 redline? And current one as well? I'd really be curious if that viscosity goes up again.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Also curious about the moderately high copper.

 

[JHoward]

Both last runs 5w30 redline? And current one as well? I'd really be curious if that viscosity goes up again.

Results are for second run on Red Line 5w/30 and Royal Purple 20-820 oil filter.