Diesel or Gas?

[StansRam]

I have a 2022 Ram 2500 6.4 with the 4:10 gears. My tow rating is 16,000#, with 3200# payload. I have the Tradesman. I am at the dealer now for an exhaust manifold leak is what they told me. I just looked at a 2023 Tradesman 3500 6.7 with 20,000# tow, and 4100# payload, but it is going to cost $88,000.

 

[SniperDroid]

I have a 2022 Ram 2500 6.4 with the 4:10 gears. My tow rating is 16,000#, with 3200# payload. I have the Tradesman. I am at the dealer now for an exhaust manifold leak is what they told me. I just looked at a 2023 Tradesman 3500 6.7 with 20,000# tow, and 4100# payload, but it is going to cost $88,000.

Not really apples to apples now, is it?

 

[18CrewDually]

Not really apples to apples now, is it?

2500 : 3500, 6.4 gas : 6.7 diesel, 2022:2023.
I'd say not.

 

[Tulecreeper]

I have a 2022 Ram 2500 6.4 with the 4:10 gears. My tow rating is 16,000#, with 3200# payload. I have the Tradesman. I am at the dealer now for an exhaust manifold leak is what they told me. I just looked at a 2023 Tradesman 3500 6.7 with 20,000# tow, and 4100# payload, but it is going to cost $88,000.

How much of that 16k# are you using now? I have 15.5k# with my 2500 Tradesman and I will never come close to needing anywhere near that, but I wanted it "just because" you never know. I could have gone with the 6.7 in exactly the same 2500 trim and upped my tow capacity to 20k#, but my cargo cap would have dropped by 900# and that I do need. I bought more truck than I will ever need, but not that much more.

 

[Scottly]

Usually spoken by guys that only use a truck to "roll coal"...

My emissions are intact. But I'll take that as a compliment coming from a guy who's profile pic is staring down an A2 front sight to make up for the lack of manhood.

 

[SniperDroid]

My emissions are intact. But I'll take that as a compliment coming from a guy who's profile pic is staring down an A2 front sight to make up for the lack of manhood.

Kinda like your 6.7, huh?

 

[Units]

I’ve had both in the 3/4 ton flavor, 6.4 and 6.7. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. Buy what you can afford/want and have a great time driving it.

 

[StansRam]

How much of that 16k# are you using now? I have 15.5k# with my 2500 Tradesman and I will never come close to needing anywhere near that, but I wanted it "just because" you never know. I could have gone with the 6.7 in exactly the same 2500 trim and upped my tow capacity to 20k#, but my cargo cap would have dropped by 900# and that I do need. I bought more truck than I will ever need, but not that much more.

Right now I only use 7500 of it and 900# of it is tongue weight. Mine is a bumper pull travel trailer. It's a GD 2500RL. I started with a Ram 1500 that my wife now drives, but was way over our payload with it, and the wind was not your friend. Our 1500 only had 1300# payload. Since having the 2500 6.4, it is so much more planted and handles like a dream. Truck and trailer total weight according to the scales is 15,230#.

 

[StansRam]

Not really apples to apples now, is it?

Nope, not at all, just looking while waiting, and found it interesting. Not trying to compare, just saw post gas or diesel.

 

[Tulecreeper]

Right now I only use 7500 of it and 900# of it is tongue weight. Mine is a bumper pull travel trailer. It's a GD 2500RL. I started with a Ram 1500 that my wife now drives, but was way over our payload with it, and the wind was not your friend. Our 1500 only had 1300# payload. Since having the 2500 6.4, it is so much more planted and handles like a dream. Truck and trailer total weight according to the scales is 15,230#.

Stan, that 900# is not part of your towing capacity, it is part of your truck's cargo capacity so you would subtract that from your 3200# payload not your 16k# towing cap. The GD 2500RL is a nice rig. With a GVWR of only 7800+# you should never even feel it behind you. Do you even need a WDH when towing it?

 

[StansRam]

Stan, that 900# is not part of your towing capacity, it is part of your truck's cargo capacity so you would subtract that from your 3200# payload not your 16k# towing cap. The GD 2500RL is a nice rig. With a GVWR of only 7800+# you should never even feel it behind you. Do you even need a WDH when towing it?

It tows really nice, even pulling the hills. I do use a wdh for safety. I want all to be checked incase if ever an accident. Thank you for your input, I do appreciate it.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Reese Hitch guidance is any towed vehicle exceeding 50% of the weight of the truck needs a WDH.

 

[ramffml]

Diesel...Because, that's what men do. If your balls are in your wife's purse, by all means, a gasser will do.

If you're driving a diesel because you link it to your manhood, then you already lost that battle my friend. You should have bought a gas and used the savings for therapy instead!

 

[bcbouy]

CTD=10k extra in any trim level.diesel right now in my area is 30 cents more per liter than regular gas.but hey,it retains it's resale as long as you trade it in before the warranty expires.300k on a CTD is still 300k on a worn out truck.only if i needed to tow something reaaaly heavy.as a dd,not a chance.but cue the CTD echo chamber anyways.you guys are always stomping your feet about how dumb us hemi owners are for not swallowing your cool aid.it's getting really old.we hemi guys will just continue eye rolling and humoring you.

 

[2003F350]

CTD=10k extra in any trim level.diesel right now in my area is 30 cents more per liter than regular gas.but hey,it retains it's resale as long as you trade it in before the warranty expires.300k on a CTD is still 300k on a worn out truck.only if i needed to tow something reaaaly heavy.as a dd,not a chance.but cue the CTD echo chamber anyways.you guys are always stomping your feet about how dumb us hemi owners are for not swallowing your cool aid.it's getting really old.we hemi guys will just continue eye rolling and humoring you.

It is 10k extra up front. No argument, that's a big pill to swallow for some people. I really didn't have a choice, I needed a truck, mine went down hard (no codes but wouldn't run, turned out to be a MAP sensor after 3 weeks of a Ram engineer looking at it), and because of the Lifetime Maxxcare I had, I was somewhat married to the dealer I went to - I could have had them shop for a Hemi for me, but they had several CTDs on the lot with a lot of options I wanted and in a color I liked. I'd already put 2k on the loaner they had me in, so they did a pretty good deal.

I came from a '17 Power Wagon (6.4 hemi, 6 speed, 4.10 gears) to my '22 CTD (6.7, 6 speed, 3.73 gears). Not much difference between the two trucks, except for the mileage difference. I put over 100k on my Wagon in the 5 years I owned it, getting AT BEST 16 mpg during the summer driving back and forth to work on 55mph roads. In the new truck, I'm putting down around 23mpg on the same trip during the summer (haven't had enough winter to see what it's going to settle in to yet, obviously going to be lower though). That's a SIGNIFICANT difference.

In other words - yes, I daily drive it. We also have trailers and a camper I haul with it for various projects and vacations. The Hemi did all of this fine, the diesel does it better. And is actually cheaper at the pump when you figure fuel cost per mile, even with diesel being around $1/gallon more here.

Will I make up the $10k sticker up front? Maybe, maybe not. Does it really matter to me in the long run? Not really.

 

[HEMIMANN]

A faulty MAP sensor doesn't throw a code? Wowsa.

 

[2003F350]

A faulty MAP sensor doesn't throw a code? Wowsa.

Evidently not every time. It started running rough on my way home from work but didn't throw a code. Pulled into the dealer's bay and left it running, as I walked around the front to the writer it stalled, and that was the last it ever ran until they swapped in a new MAP sensor - it would start but wouldn't stay running long enough to get any info, they had to push it onto a rack. Never once did they have a code pop up.

And they looked over all the standard Hemi failures, including inspecting the cam and lifters with bore scopes - all looked beautiful. Good compression on all cylinders. Injectors checked good. Spark was fine. And before anyone asks, yes they let me back to look under the hood - cleanest I've seen a motor under the valve covers in a LONG time.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Evidently not every time. It started running rough on my way home from work but didn't throw a code. Pulled into the dealer's bay and left it running, as I walked around the front to the writer it stalled, and that was the last it ever ran until they swapped in a new MAP sensor - it would start but wouldn't stay running long enough to get any info, they had to push it onto a rack. Never once did they have a code pop up.

And they looked over all the standard Hemi failures, including inspecting the cam and lifters with bore scopes - all looked beautiful. Good compression on all cylinders. Injectors checked good. Spark was fine. And before anyone asks, yes they let me back to look under the hood - cleanest I've seen a motor under the valve covers in a LONG time.

Strange. Codes, once set, are supposed to remain in memory.

But now you've baited us into asking what oil you've been using!

 

[2003F350]

Strange. Codes, once set, are supposed to remain in memory.

But now you've baited us into asking what oil you've been using!

Mobil 1. It's all I ever ran in that motor. Might not meet the 'official' specs but did fine by me.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Turbodiesel 5W-40?

That's what I run in my Yanmar tractor engine. Adjusted valve lash @ 1,200 hours. Duty cycle is very high, 3,200 rpm and high load mower mulching deck and snowblower. Just look at this -