Fifth Wheels By Keystone For 1500

[nlambert182]

Tell me how they work for your 1500 to get you under your weights.

 

[2003F350]

Physics and fluid dynamic's (air flow) are two different things.

Fluid Dynamics are an offshoot of physics. They are NOT two different things. One is a subset of the other.

 

[Randy Grant]

Fluid Dynamics are an offshoot of physics. They are NOT two different things. One is a subset of the other.

Depends on the context that it is being used in

 

[2003F350]

Depends on the context that it is being used in

No. Fluid dynamics IS physics. A different branch, but it is still physics.

And to delve further into this, the placement of the axles in relation to the overall length of the trailer is geometry, not physics.

I deal with this stuff daily.

 

[truck2569]

I don't understand the point of a 19-20' 5th wheel. You can tow a larger travel trailer just as well with a half ton and have a heck of a lot more trailer without all the headaches of worrying about payload. Within reason.

For me it is a head game thing. I drove Semi for 35 years prior to retirement. 5th wheels are easier for me to pull have a better turning radius. As far as the smaller 5th wheels I have to agree. But a 1/2 ton pickup if set upright can haul up to a 28' foot 5th wheel.

 

[truck2569]

No. Fluid dynamics IS physics. A different branch, but it is still physics.

And to delve further into this, the placement of the axles in relation to the overall length of the trailer is geometry, not physics.

I deal with this stuff daily.

Goes way beyond my concept.

 

[Riccochet]

For me it is a head game thing. I drove Semi for 35 years prior to retirement. 5th wheels are easier for me to pull have a better turning radius. As far as the smaller 5th wheels I have to agree. But a 1/2 ton pickup if set upright can haul up to a 28' foot 5th wheel.

Show me a 1/2 ton, and a 28' 5th wheel, that it can tow.

 

[Tulecreeper]

For me it is a head game thing. I drove Semi for 35 years prior to retirement. 5th wheels are easier for me to pull have a better turning radius. As far as the smaller 5th wheels I have to agree. But a 1/2 ton pickup if set upright can haul up to a 28' foot 5th wheel.

Show me a 1/2 ton, and a 28' 5th wheel, that it can tow.

I can "haul" most anything with a 1/2-ton. Towing and controlling it is an entirely different thing. I know of a bunch of 28' 5th-wheels that a 1/2-ton can "haul". I can't think of any of those 5-ers that won't crush the suspension and/or overload the rear axle.

 

[2003F350]

I can "haul" most anything with a 1/2-ton. Towing and controlling it is an entirely different thing. I know of a bunch of 28' 5th-wheels that a 1/2-ton can "haul". I can't think of any of those 5-ers that won't crush the suspension and/or overload the rear axle.

There are a couple, if I recall, that a stripped down bare bones half ton could haul and not be overloaded. But again, you'd basically have to have a base truck with no options but a towing package and a V8, you'd need a regular cab and no shorter than a 6'4 box, preferably a long box to get out of a slider hitch...and even then I think you'd end up being close.

It's a unicorn setup that will get you where you want to be. You just may not enjoy it once you're there.

 

[nlambert182]

Aside from the unicorn tiny fifth wheels, here are some of the lightest that the manufacturers make (calculating pin weight @ 20%). All of these are advertised as 1/2 ton towable. The last one is particularly comical. They do a great job at advertising dry weights and dry hitch weights to hit their numbers. Below are the real numbers (adding dry weight + cargo capacity).

Keystone Cougar 22RBSWE:
Length 25'11"
GVWR: 7,200 lbs
Pin weight: 1,440 lbs

Keystone Arcadia 246SLRK:
Length: 28'6"
GVWR: 9,900
Pin weight: 1,980

Jayco Eagle 24RE:
Length: 29'2"
GVWR: 9,995
Pin weight: 1,999 lbs

KZ Durango D240RKD:
Length: 31'8"
GVWR: 10,500
Pin weight: 2,100 lbs

Grand Design Reflection 150 260RD:
Length:29'10"
GVWR: 9,995
Pin weight: 1,999 lbs

Forest River Flagstaff Super Lite 528MBS:
Length: 36'6"
GVWR: 12,020
Pin weight: 2,404

 

[Tulecreeper]

Aside from the unicorn tiny fifth wheels, here are some of the lightest that the manufacturers make (calculating pin weight @ 20%). All of these are advertised as 1/2 ton towable. The last one is particularly comical. They do a great job at advertising dry weights and dry hitch weights to hit their numbers. Below are the real numbers (adding dry weight + cargo capacity).

Keystone Cougar 22RBSWE:
Length 25'11"
GVWR: 7,200 lbs
Pin weight: 1,440 lbs

Keystone Arcadia 246SLRK:
Length: 28'6"
GVWR: 9,900
Pin weight: 1,980

Jayco Eagle 24RE:
Length: 29'2"
GVWR: 9,995
Pin weight: 1,999 lbs

KZ Durango D240RKD:
Length: 31'8"
GVWR: 10,500
Pin weight: 2,100 lbs

Grand Design Reflection 150 260RD:
Length:29'10"
GVWR: 9,995
Pin weight: 1,999 lbs

Forest River Flagstaff Super Lite 528MBS:
Length: 36'6"
GVWR: 12,020
Pin weight: 2,404

And those are "dry" pin weights.

 

[CanRebel]

Right.... First one he posted is TT...

Second one is not 1500 Fifth wheel, it's for HD trucks.

If your going google crap, at least post real information.

@Tulecreeper and your are as bad as he is.... those aren't even close to dry pin weights.

 

[Tulecreeper]

Right.... First one he posted is TT...

Second one is not 1500 Fifth wheel, it's for HD trucks.

If your going google crap, at least post real information.

@Tulecreeper and your are as bad as he is.... those aren't even close to dry pin weights.

If it's the advertised pin weight, it is the "dry" pin weight. I'll assume @nlambert182 posted the advertised pin weights.

 

[nlambert182]

Right.... First one he posted is TT...

Second one is not 1500 Fifth wheel, it's for HD trucks.

If your going google crap, at least post real information.

@Tulecreeper and your are as bad as he is.... those aren't even close to dry pin weights.

Oh.... ok. I went by Keystone's listing. If you want specific info, go look it up instead of spending all your time trying to disprove everyone else. You have contributed nothing to this thread but trying to hammer others because you've been proven wrong too many times.


For the second one.....




If you READ what I said in the beginning.... I clearly explained the pin weights. Nowhere did I ever mention dry pin weights. They're irrelevant anyhow.

Aside from the unicorn tiny fifth wheels, here are some of the lightest that the manufacturers make (calculating pin weight @ 20%). All of these are advertised as 1/2 ton towable. The last one is particularly comical. They do a great job at advertising dry weights and dry hitch weights to hit their numbers. Below are the real numbers (adding dry weight + cargo capacity).

If you want dry weights, go look them up. They're available for you to research yourself if you don't believe my numbers. The world is your oyster.

Dry weight + Cargo capacity = Gross Vehicle Weight
GVWR * 20% = the real pin weight.

You should be able to figure the rest out on your own.

 

[CanRebel]

If it's the advertised pin weight, it is the "dry" pin weight. I'll assume @nlambert182 posted the advertised pin weights.

Do you know what ASSume means??

The whole thing is posted is full of crap. As I said one IS NOT even a fifth wheel... Of course you ignored that fact.

Funny... You wrote "And those are "dry" pin weights."
You are just clueless, no wonder you keep posting stupid comments.

 

[nlambert182]

If it's the advertised pin weight, it is the "dry" pin weight. I'll assume @nlambert182 posted the advertised pin weights.

I calculated the estimated wet pin weight. I never mention dry weights since they're irrelevant 100% of the time.

 

[nlambert182]

I'll concede that the 22RBSWE is a TT after digging into their links. I'm not sure why Keystone lists them that way.

That said, then the lightest fifth wheel they offer is a 23MLE:

Length: 27'11"
Gross Weight: 10,000 lbs
Wet hitch weight: 2,000 lbs

Better?


Now..... explain how any of the numbers I posted are crap? They're literally the numbers from the manufacturers and you can look them up AND do the math. The only thing I didn't do, which no one with 2 seconds of RV knowledge would do, is use their dry weights.

 

[CanRebel]

Oh.... ok. I went by Keystone's listing. If you want specific info, go look it up instead of spending all your time trying to disprove everyone else. You have contributed nothing to this thread but trying to hammer others because you've been proven wrong too many times.
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If you READ what I said in the beginning.... I clearly explained the pin weights. Nowhere did I ever mention dry pin weights. They're irrelevant anyhow.



If you want dry weights, go look them up. They're available for you to research yourself if you don't believe my numbers. The world is your oyster.

Dry weight + Cargo capacity = Gross Vehicle Weight
GVWR * 20% = the real pin weight.

You should be able to figure the rest out on your own.

LOOK at the PIC.... It IS TT...

No wonder you keep posting wrong information. Learn how to use a computer.



No where does Keystone says Arcadia line is built or should be used 1500 Trucks.

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[nlambert182]

Yet, you still miss the point. They're being marketed as 1/2 ton trailers. I just showed you one example (Campers Inn). Here are a few more.







Now.... answer my other questions. Prove that my math was wrong.

 

[CanRebel]

I'll concede that the 22RBSWE is a TT after digging into their links. I'm not sure why Keystone lists them that way.

That said, then the lightest fifth wheel they offer is a 23MLE:

Length: 27'11"
Gross Weight: 10,000 lbs
Wet hitch weight: 2,000 lbs

Better?


Now..... explain how any of the numbers I posted are crap? They're literally the numbers from the manufacturers and you can look them up AND do the math. The only thing I didn't do, which no one with 2 seconds of RV knowledge would do, is use their dry weights.

Second one is wrong as well.

As is last one. I didn't even both to look at others.... Last one is for 1500 and 2500.... Since you didn't bother to read what you are posting. You took the values for their 2500 model....

And no not better.
7,678 lb
2,222 lb
1,200 lb.

Your numbers are off... If you want to do 20% go for it. If you want load anything to it's max go for it. But that doesn't mean it's correct, or that is right.
Those Half-Ton's 5th have Pin weight of 15%. Normal people don't put a ton of stuff in their trailers and drive around.