Hello, please help if you can . . .

[HolyRamBatman]

Still no specific time it does it or doesn't do it?
First thing in the morning, after it's warmed up only, or literally every 4th try?
If you haven't yet you need to keep a log of failures.
The log may be a PITA but if the dealership isn't going to help you we will.

 

[dodge29]

Still no specific time it does it or doesn't do it?
First thing in the morning, after it's warmed up only, or literally every 4th try?
If you haven't yet you need to keep a log of failures.
The log may be a PITA but if the dealership isn't going to help you we will.

I'll start noting that. I'll note time of day and relative to last operation of he vehicle. It hasn't happened for a few days now.

 

[Truckit]

My truck is starting with the intermittent starting issue. Any updates?

 

[dodge29]

My truck is starting with the intermittent starting issue. Any updates?

Unfortunatey, nothing right now. Mine has been starting again for a week or so. This wont be an easy one, if it's ever solved.

 

[Truckit]

Ok, I'll let you know if they find anything on mine. They did replace the starter but no difference. Problem is mine is almost out of warranty and only does it about once every 2 weeks.

 

[lowcomet]

I just started having the same issue, I'm posting this after only my second instance of this happening. First time it did it I activated the remote start and the fuel primed, the starter began to engage and haulted mid cycle. The second instance I did the same thing, same issue but noticed when I entered the EVIC said remote start disabled, start to reset. When I went to start it manually it did the same cycle 5 different times before she fired up. I've read all your post and havent seen any updates in a while, Please Help!

 

[dodge29]

I just started having the same issue, I'm posting this after only my second instance of this happening. First time it did it I activated the remote start and the fuel primed, the starter began to engage and haulted mid cycle. The second instance I did the same thing, same issue but noticed when I entered the EVIC said remote start disabled, start to reset. When I went to start it manually it did the same cycle 5 different times before she fired up. I've read all your post and havent seen any updates in a while, Please Help!

My truck has been starting continuously for all of June and July. I never did determine if my selling dealership actually changed the NSS. One thing I did on my own was open the fuse box and push down on all the relays and fuses. Believe it or not that seemed to help. I also found the shift cable only partially snapped into its mount on the transmission. I snapped it all the way in. I'm not really sure what effect any of this had on the intermittent starting issue.

 

[JimE]

Have you guys with the starting issues considered the possibility what you are experiencing is a fuel quality problem? Gasoline containing Ethanol can result in similar type events if the fuel has gone into what is known a "Phase Separation." "Phase Separation" can occur in a vehicle's fuel tank(s) or in the tanks at retail distribution points. Seldom driven vehicles with E10 or E15 in their tanks will inevitably fall victim to "Phase Separation" as the phenomenon can occur in as few as thirty days, though it usually takes longer. Major brand refiners regularly monitor the degree of "Phase Separation" that may have occurred in retailer tanks. Valero in particular has a stringent quality control program and if they find "Phase Separation" taking place in a retailer's fuel they pump it out and replace with fresh fuel. The contaminated fuel is then re-refined. All adding to the cost of fuel at the pump, a fact the ever loving EPA seems to never mention.

What is "Phase Separation?" In simple terms it is the point at which Ethanol has absorbed sufficient moisture to begin dropping to the bottom of the tank. Which of course means a fuel pickup is going to be sucking up a less combustible mixture or maybe even a mixture that will just not burn at all. So what happens is a vehicle's computer shuts down the ignition and fuel delivery circuits and possibly the starting circuit to prevent damage to fuel delivery related components and maybe even the starter to prevent battery drainage and the burning up of the starter. I don't know if the latter is a feature of RAM truck computer systems as I've never had a reason to examine that circuit.

Basically, intermittent starting problems like the ones presented can be fuel related. It can also be the relay for the fuel pump, it should be checked to determine if it is chattering. A bad fuel pump relay can kill a fuel pump rather quickly. I'd keep a spare fuel pump relay handy in the truck at all times. A bad one can leave one stranded in the middle of nowhere.

 

[dodge29]

Have you guys with the starting issues considered the possibility what you are experiencing is a fuel quality problem? Gasoline containing Ethanol can result in similar type events if the fuel has gone into what is known a "Phase Separation." "Phase Separation" can occur in a vehicle's fuel tank(s) or in the tanks at retail distribution points. Seldom driven vehicles with E10 or E15 in their tanks will inevitably fall victim to "Phase Separation" as the phenomenon can occur in as few as thirty days, though it usually takes longer. Major brand refiners regularly monitor the degree of "Phase Separation" that may have occurred in retailer tanks. Valero in particular has a stringent quality control program and if they find "Phase Separation" taking place in a retailer's fuel they pump it out and replace with fresh fuel. The contaminated fuel is then re-refined. All adding to the cost of fuel at the pump, a fact the ever loving EPA seems to never mention.

What is "Phase Separation?" In simple terms it is the point at which Ethanol has absorbed sufficient moisture to begin dropping to the bottom of the tank. Which of course means a fuel pickup is going to be sucking up a less combustible mixture or maybe even a mixture that will just not burn at all. So what happens is a vehicle's computer shuts down the ignition and fuel delivery circuits and possibly the starting circuit to prevent damage to fuel delivery related components and maybe even the starter to prevent battery drainage and the burning up of the starter. I don't know if the latter is a feature of RAM truck computer systems as I've never had a reason to examine that circuit.

Basically, intermittent starting problems like the ones presented can be fuel related. It can also be the relay for the fuel pump, it should be checked to determine if it is chattering. A bad fuel pump relay can kill a fuel pump rather quickly. I'd keep a spare fuel pump relay handy in the truck at all times. A bad one can leave one stranded in the middle of nowhere.

Really appreciate the detailed description on this. I know nothing of gas other than this truck sees almost exclusively Sheetz gas. They are a regional gas and food retailer. I think they go as far south as the Carolina's. The same fuel goes into our Toyota matrix. The local Shertz is very busy, so the fuel there is probably reasonably fresh.

Again this was very interesting information.

 

[JimE]

Really appreciate the detailed description on this. I know nothing of gas other than this truck sees almost exclusively Sheetz gas. They are a regional gas and food retailer. I think they go as far south as the Carolina's. The same fuel goes into our Toyota matrix. The local Shertz is very busy, so the fuel there is probably reasonably fresh.

Again this was very interesting information.

I hope it might be of help to someone.

I will advise that a retailer with very active pumps is usually a 100% safe bet on 87 Octane. However, if they are not selling a lot of 89 or 91 Octane what comes out of the pump could have gone bad in their tanks without frequent monitoring. In the case of 89 Octane it is typically mixed at the pump by blending equal amounts of 87 and 91 Octane fuel.

 

[dodge29]

I hope it might be of help to someone.

I will advise that a retailer with very active pumps is usually a 100% safe bet on 87 Octane. However, if they are not selling a lot of 89 or 91 Octane what comes out of the pump could have gone bad in their tanks without frequent monitoring. In the case of 89 Octane it is typically mixed at the pump by blending equal amounts of 87 and 91 Octane fuel.

I knew that the Sunocos ran mixing pumps years ago but was not aware this still happened.

It failed to start again yesterday and my wife said it happened to her about a week ago. In both cases putting it into neutral, then back in park, allows it to start. In fact that maneuver always works when it wont start. Sorry I don't have more info. Not much else we can do with it. I don't think Chrysler could fix this even if we were paying.

 

[HolyRamBatman]

With all the crap they put in these trucks they should have a better system for diagnosis.

With it working every time you put it in neutral and back to park leads me to believe that the relays have nothing to do with your issue.

Have you tried just pushing on the shifter to see if it will start.

 

[bloombloom88]

I've just read this entire thread, and since the tipm has come into conversation, have you thought about having the dealer flashing it? I'm not sure if that would change or fix anything but it may be worth a shot. Good luck bud

 

[Hornet]

Had something like this happen on my 13 yesterday.
Sitting in the sun,with windows closed (low 90's for outdoor temp),i jumped in,and absolutely nothing.
Lights worked but not a click or anything out of the starter.
The key fob was hot from sitting in the sun on the seat,and it seemed as soon as i grabbed the fob and it cooled off in my hand,everything came back to life.
I'll be monitoring mine close from now on,as it's always had a delayed start from new too