Hemi is back!

[RamHondo]

TK said dodge bring back Hemis , be about a year , will be built in America

 

[Burla]

Carlos Tavares is gone as Stellantis' CEO, and in the aftermath of his resignation, a number of company insiders have come forward to provide an autopsy on his time as chief executive. It's not pretty, but one part of the saga is particularly jarring. “Everybody wanted to keep [Hemi],” a source told CNBC. Tavares was allegedly the driver to kill it.

The death of the Hemi V-8 being almost solely down to Tavares, if true, speaks to these broader management troubles. The CNBC report indicates there was a disconnect between whether Stellantis was a European conglomerate or an American one, with the CEO treating it more as the former. As a result, there was a related push to clean up Stellantis' emissions, which meant killing the Hemi V-8 and moving toward rapidly towards electrification. The latter is happening very slowly stateside despite Tavares' push.

Good news imo, now I hope they can all of the marshmello items that accompany all of the debauchery. Maybe this comes from a friendly gov't that my guess will stop mandating EV. Who would have thought the entire world would start to change in the manner it appears to be taking.

Tell Ford stop the particulate filter on the di's and just put an already emissions friendly non di options. Kill this garbage before we go another inch down that path.

 

[BenWade]

Give us a 6 speed manual Hemi and I'll buy two!!

 

[04fxdwgi]

This is awesome news.

 

[EdGs]

Give us a 6 speed manual Hemi and I'll buy two!!

I love a manual transmission. So does my better half.

 

[BossHogg]

I want a (better) manual behind the Cummins too!

 

[EdGs]

TK said dodge bring back Hemis , be about a year , will be built in America

Great news!

 

[diymirage]

I love a manual transmission. So does my better half.

My oldest (who is 14) has a female friend who is a girl

She came to the evening service at our church last Sunday and we went to Bob Evans before that

As we sat there talking the subject of cars came up and I asked if she was going to get her license

She said her dad is going to teach her to drive in his audi, since that has a manual in it

Needless to say, we like this girl

 

[EdGs]

My Wife's Dad made sure she knew how to change a tire, check fluids, etc. before she was allowed to drive by herself.

I was 20 years old, and the delivery guy at work got fired. Boss asked me if I wanted the job, I said I didn't know how to drive a stick, he took me out and taught me.

 

[diymirage]

My Wife's Dad made sure she knew how to change a tire, check fluids, etc. before she was allowed to drive by herself.

I was 20 years old, and the delivery guy at work got fired. Boss asked me if I wanted the job, I said I didn't know how to drive a stick, he took me out and taught me.

I dont know if I mentioned this here before, but I grew up in the Netherlands

In all the 20 odd years I lived there I saw exactly one automatic car

And even the cars we took drivers ed in had 5 pedals (three on the driver's side and an extra clutch and brake on the passenger side)

 

[20IndyRam]

The death of the Hemi V-8 being almost solely down to Tavares, if true, speaks to these broader management troubles. The CNBC report indicates there was a disconnect between whether Stellantis was a European conglomerate or an American one, with the CEO treating it more as the former. As a result, there was a related push to clean up Stellantis' emissions, which meant killing the Hemi V-8 and moving toward rapidly towards electrification. The latter is happening very slowly stateside despite Tavares' push.

Based on sales, I get why Tavares was catering to Europe. I'm not sure what make/model vehicles were selling in the other regions (28% of sales), but it's a safe bet they didn't have Hemi's.

I can also understand resurrecting the Hemi (assuming they didn't trash the tooling). There's still a good market in HD trucks (for now). I'm hoping the Hurricane will eventually prove itself reliable and will be augmented by larger blown engines for heavier loads.

Of course that will never satisfy those who can't stand the sound of an inline 6...

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[turkeybird56]

Based on sales, I get why Tavares was catering to Europe. I'm not sure what make/model vehicles were selling in the other regions (28% of sales), but it's a safe bet they didn't have Hemi's.

I can also understand resurrecting the Hemi (assuming they didn't trash the tooling). There's still a good market in HD trucks (for now). I'm hoping the Hurricane will eventually prove itself reliable and will be augmented by larger blown engines for heavier loads.

Of course that will never satisfy those who can't stand the sound of an inline 6...

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FOR dis BOIRD, an inline 6 would work. BUT I have an early 5th Gen truck, built Apr 2018. Further it is paid. SO changing just to get a "betta" more efficient truck with a inline 6, with over complicated turbo BS, with special "electric:" cooling, jammed on a mini 3.0L engine to me is insanity. Wonder the garbage gonna be when people start really pushing these turbos and the electric cooling etc goes South., YUP, the Hemi stays in the driveway. The only other truck I would consider would be a Nissan Titan and this is their last year being built, and a Ford with the Coyote 5.0, but their 10 speed trans is total POS.

All IMHO.

CAVEAT: Tavares gone, early XMAS present, but has he done so much harm that cannot be undone, hmmmmmmmm.

DA BOIRD.

 

[Burla]

Based on sales, I get why Tavares was catering to Europe. I'm not sure what make/model vehicles were selling in the other regions (28% of sales), but it's a safe bet they didn't have Hemi's.

I can also understand resurrecting the Hemi (assuming they didn't trash the tooling). There's still a good market in HD trucks (for now). I'm hoping the Hurricane will eventually prove itself reliable and will be augmented by larger blown engines for heavier loads.

Of course that will never satisfy those who can't stand the sound of an inline 6...

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The entire reasoning for the di turbo 6 is emissions and mpg correct? Well as it turns out gas di's leave more particulates in the air then even diesels. Hemi 1 part particulates, diesel 5 parts particulates, and gas di turbo like the hurricane 15 parts particulates. Mind you this is why we are seeing particulate filters entering the gas trucks, as Ford's maverick will start next year hanging off particulate filters of their maverick. So you gain 15% by going to a complicated turbo system, and give it back 66% of those gains with a particulate filter when they work correctly. Now I must admit I am country and hickish and unsophisticated, but this is a horrible idea imo and how they sound has nothing to do with it. 4:15 mark he posts particulate count per engine.

2025 Ford Maverick 2L Turbo Has GASOLINE PARTICULATE FILTERS | F-150s NEXT??

I review the New 2025 Ford Maverick with the arrival of Gasoline Particulate filters being it is the first gas truck in north america to receive these new em...

youtu.be

And my humble opinion if someone wants to run a super complicated an expensive di system to gain 15% and then give back 66% of that to run a super complicated filters to gain .5 mpg, then God bless man, have at it. But I would suggest you can gain .5 mpg way way easier!! Port injected turbo which nobody went for because di come with "reported" 15% more efficient, but doesn't have all of the downsides that come with di. So a consumer could say in theory, I will accept a little fewer ponies, but give me the reliable low polluting simple engine and they will produce the same mpg and emissions after you wrap that di with a filter.

They could improve on the hemi, but I am glad to settle with it in it's last form as the green choose when compared to the di. It is better all the way around in every way.

 

[Burla]

It is a matter of time til they hang those filters on ram hurricane, my guess the Europe ones already have them?

Google says so

In Europe, Ram trucks with gasoline engines would be equipped with a "Gasoline Particulate Filter" (GPF), which is essentially a particulate filter designed specifically for gasoline vehicles, similar to the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) used in diesel engines; this is mandatory on most new petrol cars in the EU due to strict emissions regulations.

 

[MRFREEZE57]

Give us a 6 speed manual Hemi and I'll buy two!!

I would love to have a 3 pedal truck but in the half ton class truck they apparently do not exist any more.

 

[DILLIGAF]

They will probably all have the E torque junk

 

[20IndyRam]

The entire reasoning for the di turbo 6 is emissions and mpg correct? Well as it turns out gas di's leave more particulates in the air then even diesels. Hemi 1 part particulates, diesel 5 parts particulates, and gas di turbo like the hurricane 15 parts particulates. Mind you this is why we are seeing particulate filters entering the gas trucks, as Ford's maverick will start next year hanging off particulate filters of their maverick. So you gain 15% by going to a complicated turbo system, and give it back 66% of those gains with a particulate filter when they work correctly. Now I must admit I am country and hickish and unsophisticated, but this is a horrible idea imo and how they sound has nothing to do with it. 4:15 mark he posts particulate count per engine.

2025 Ford Maverick 2L Turbo Has GASOLINE PARTICULATE FILTERS | F-150s NEXT??

I review the New 2025 Ford Maverick with the arrival of Gasoline Particulate filters being it is the first gas truck in north america to receive these new em...

youtu.be

And my humble opinion if someone wants to run a super complicated an expensive di system to gain 15% and then give back 66% of that to run a super complicated filters to gain .5 mpg, then God bless man, have at it. But I would suggest you can gain .5 mpg way way easier!! Port injected turbo which nobody went for because di come with "reported" 15% more efficient, but doesn't have all of the downsides that come with di. So a consumer could say in theory, I will accept a little fewer ponies, but give me the reliable low polluting simple engine and they will produce the same mpg and emissions after you wrap that di with a filter.

They could improve on the hemi, but I am glad to settle with it in it's last form as the green choose when compared to the di. It is better all the way around in every way.

I had not heard about the GPF's until you posted. Curious that Ford is using them on the Maverick. I'm guessing they are either trying a field test, or satisfying overseas requirements.

It's a tough sell to knock the Hurricane for something that isn't required (Yet). You could make a much better case that it's a DI only engine (not duel DI/Port injection). Again, time will tell whether the valves have carbon issues.

And I must admit that I am and old fart that loves a good powerplant with no accessories to cause problems. I can climb under the hood of my '70 Cutlass when I need to, and my 72 240Z is a dream to work on. Doesn't mean that everything new is bad. I remember switching to carburetors to fuel injection in '88 - can't believe I waited that long...

 

[Burla]

I had not heard about the GPF's until you posted. Curious that Ford is using them on the Maverick. I'm guessing they are either trying a field test, or satisfying overseas requirements.

It's a tough sell to knock the Hurricane for something that isn't required (Yet). You could make a much better case that it's a DI only engine (not duel DI/Port injection). Again, time will tell whether the valves have carbon issues.

And I must admit that I am and old fart that loves a good powerplant with no accessories to cause problems. I can climb under the hood of my '70 Cutlass when I need to, and my 72 240Z is a dream to work on. Doesn't mean that everything new is bad. I remember switching to carburetors to fuel injection in '88 - can't believe I waited that long...

Well boss, you brought up Europe so I was just going with their rules as they have GPF on their gas di's. There is however absolute proof this will have a great effect for the green crowd especially there but also coming here in time. There will be substantially less co2 or whatever else comes out of a tail pipe because fewer and fewer people will be able to afford them. Traveling even to the grocery store will be harder and harder to afford, and stelantis and their hurricane is going to absolutely set the market and if they all follow stelantis entire segments of the population will not have any ability to travel in the name of emissions that is seriously flawed. Stelantis pricing was horrible pre hurricane and pre any EV the might develop, see below, I cant even imagine what this one auto makers numbers will look like with this graph updated in the next 5 year period. Low displacement engines should have always been the answer, not for our trucks, but for the rest of us.

BTW, the maverick MSRP went up 3k this year their largest increase because of those filters, and that is part of the bad news, the real bad news is when YOU need to replace your filter you can expect to pay 4 grand, which means another item for guys to cut off exhaust of your car while you sleep.




The problem is keeping the status quo is a horrible sound bite even though it is 100 times more responsible to all of us. If this modernization of gas engines keeps on going every non electric vehicle is going to be a di. Very few benefits but huge downsides because someone is dominating the message. You have to or should ask yourself, why if di was so great did they need to add pi, lol? Consumers can expect to pay near double for their vehicles moving forward, pay for di increases and then now 3 grand for factory filters and it's going to be real fun when you need to pay a shop to fix it. You saw the video, the hemi is roughly 15 times better at particulate emissions, as on 1500% better. And to correct the issue the answer is simply going to be another nail in the coffin on affordability of vehicles. You are right sir, I will give you that, hard to knock the hurricane as you can see di rules the marketplace and 15 years ago they were rare.

 

[bgenlvtex]

But I was assured this was impossible and Stellantis would (do something incredibly stupid) use a fookin' Nissan V8 instead.

 

[Burla]

Wanna maximize profits if you are an automaker? Put stuff in there that costs more and has to sell for more. Going to a di turbo or duel di/pi fuel setup if you prefer is good business, for them anyhow. Costs more lasts less and you pay them more to fix it and not much chance of dyi fixes. If they bring back a hemi or owning a small displacement engine like in the rav 4 is a desire for you, it would be a real good time to buy it, because you see the trends. Ten years from now the choices will be di or Ev.

Also, good time to buy a hurricane is now as well? I can bet my house it wont take 10 years before in US they will have filters, perhaps not even 5 years. A hurricane engine without a GPF will be much better then one with it?

From the exhaust mani to the tips, you wont be able to buy new ones under 5 g's. Filters and catalytic converters and what else coming, this item alone is gonna cost what a small car should cost.

before buying a hurricane, look up what is going on over on 5 gen rams.