Let's talk boost!

[ArmRippinToys]

So obviously there's no programmer for the '12s yet but I still am setting myself up so when there is I can go with a supercharger. Here's my question though, I am not sure whether I want to go with a pro charger kit or a magna charger kit. They are both similar in power although I think the procharger produces more. From what I have heard the difference is the procharger is mostly top end power and magna charger is mostly low end, so for daily driving and stop light to stop light racing the magna charger should be a better choice especially because you don't really lose any mpg with this system. However I was thinking with all that power coming on right at the bottom end, isn't that going to tear up the tranmy and drivetrain a lot more than the procharger? So which one would be more suitable for daily driving and stop light to stop light races but yet be as reliable as possible, any ideas or experience with these systems?

 

[ArmRippinToys]

I guess I should add the pros and cons I've come up with

Procharger-
Pro- simple DIY installation, more power, comes on mostly at top end so it's easier on drivetrain, I think it's a little cheaper as well

Con- top end power band not so good for stop light to stop light, lose some MPG,

Magna charger

Pro- low end power band great for stop light to stop light, keep mpg

Con- more expensive, higher install cost, harder on drivetrain

 

[WhiteExpress]

I disagree with your thoughts on MPG. With more boost building at lower RPMs with the Magna charger, you'll need more fuel to keep the A/F ratio in check.

Having ridden in a Procharged and a Wipple Charged Mustang, I highly advise the roots style blower. They don't have the fun top end punch that a centrifugal has, but they are already haulin, so they don't need it! Also I think with a big dog heavy truck, the roots style will be far more fun. I know my Lightning was a blast!

 

[Joshwaa]

I want a Magna Charger! Buy me one and I'll test it for you.

 

[2K10HemiRam]

I guess I should add the pros and cons I've come up with

Procharger-
Pro- simple DIY installation, more power, comes on mostly at top end so it's easier on drivetrain, I think it's a little cheaper as well

Con- top end power band not so good for stop light to stop light, lose some MPG,

Magna charger

Pro- low end power band great for stop light to stop light, keep mpg

Con- more expensive, higher install cost, harder on drivetrain

Sure there's probably more work involved because you replace the stock manifold and what not but you can install a magnacharger yourself, it'll just take all day. lol.

They're both about the same price wise actually...when it comes to a 6k+ part...what's 300 bucks? lol

You defiantly gain mpg with a magnacharger, if you look at the new Truckin mag, project Lead Sled is in it with a magnacharger install and they said on the way home they were getting 20mpg...that's rolling on 26's too...

I think whenever I get around to the point of ordering a supercharger, wont be for a long time, I'll go magnacharger. Just remember, Hennessey even uses a magnacharger on their ram, lol.

 

[samsquanch]

No turbo in consideration? There are several kits out for the 5.7s already, just have to wait for the tuning on the 2012s. For ease of installation there are the "tailpipe" kits from STS and North Coast Turbo Systems. Hell, the universal kit from STS is only 2 grand and anyone with moderate fab skills should be able to install it in less than a day. I have always preferred turbos to superchargers myself, I like the idea of "free" horsepower.

 

[SILVER_BULLET]

Turbos are fun no doubt but i dont think i would turbo a ram until tuning was as good as the gm guys have it because ive seen too many end up giving up or going back to stock because of all the problems it gives

 

[KGBIGCOUNTRY]

Email tuning is what causes alot of the issues. The Ram PCM has the same maps and tuning cap as the LX and Jeep guys, just alot of people dont see that. When Dave was in my truck writting files we spoke about it for awhile.

 

[ArmRippinToys]

Alright that's pretty much what I was looking for is some different opinions on it, I think I'll go with my original choice and go magna charger, as far as the turbo thing, no not on my daily driven truck, even though turbos have gotten better as far as lag and you can run them at low boost, I only usually consider turbos for like a track car or a truck that only comes out in the summer just to tear the streets up

 

[talon6]

i am running a vortech with 8lbs of boost on my 5.9. it really comes on strong around 2k rpms. if i was to do it again i would go with a turbo. lots more power easily had. i am trying to get mine to 10lbs and struggeling a bit. i have a boost cam installed also.i just know a few guys who have had both, s/c and turbo, and all of them are much more happy with the turbo results.

with the choice you gave i would probably go with the magna. my truck is kinda a slug outta the whole compared to when the boost comes in. and the magna would help with that.

 

[KGBIGCOUNTRY]

His lack of tuning alv is going to be the root issue. There is not a safe way to fix timing and fuel cureves for his year truck yet.

 

[ArmRippinToys]

Im only looking to run between 5-7 psi of boost other wise I would go turbo. Unfortunately your right there is no tuning soft ware for sale yet. There are a few shops that are righting there own custom tunes for these trucks, however are best shop here in AK can't do it for my truck so I'm stuck waiting for someone like diablo sport. So far the companies I've talked to said they are working on it but no real estimated time of when they might have a programming and software

 

[KGBIGCOUNTRY]

Your best bet is to swap to an older PCM but even then its gonna be a cluster to say the least.

 

[ArmRippinToys]

Your best bet is to swap to an older PCM but even then its gonna be a cluster to say the least.

Yeah thats the reason Im playing the waiting game, plenty of other stuff I can do to the truck in a mean time, as far as go fast goodies ill probably just finish up the exhaust and get a bigger throttle body and power wire, then wait for a programmer to come out, in the mean time theres plenty of exterior and interior mods on the list to keep me busy for a while

 

[KGBIGCOUNTRY]

Has anyone seen an A/F vs RMP graph for a stock 4th gen yet to see what A/F its hitting? Wonder if its pig ritch already and the power wire will dump more fuel hurting topend.

 

[SILVER_BULLET]

has anyone seen an a/f vs rmp graph for a stock 4th gen yet to see what a/f its hitting? Wonder if its pig ritch already and the power wire will dump more fuel hurting topend.

not sure about stock but on a 2011 ram rt with ported throttle body arh long tube headers and a knn intake the a/f was at 10.5 wot

 

[SuperBeaner]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is a power wire?


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[KGBIGCOUNTRY]

^Its an in line resistor that tricks the computer into thinking the temps are cooler then it is thus adding more fuel. Some trucks show improvement some dont kinda hit and miss.

 

[Gotanks0407]

Magnachargers are kind of weak, I think. They pretty much add power in a N/A style of power curve. Which for most people is desired. Shouldn't effect your fuel economy either up or down. Now pro charger.......*cough* Vortech systems are good, I run one in my Hemi charger. Boost kicks on at a little over 2k and then it starts to pull hard, but since it's not really spoiled up in the power RPMs and because of MDS, I do get a consider boost of MPG, I see usually over 30 MPG. But a Vortech (Centrifugal Supercharger) makes power like a turbo does, but uses the accessory belt instead of the exhaust to turn it. But if you really want good towing power and fuel economy to go up you would look at a turbo. No power loss to turn them. When you talking about low end boost earlier you are talking more about a twin screw like a whipple or Kenne bell, they have quite off the line power in the low end. Which generally isn't to be desired un less you are racing.

Im picking up my new ram, this weekend, and am looking at adding twin turbos too it in the near future. Hopefully in the next month or two. Well see, not sure if I want to add more power to the truck or the race car (06 charger) cuz I think it needs a second Vortech head unit.

 

[ArmRippinToys]

not sure about stock but on a 2011 ram rt with ported throttle body arh long tube headers and a knn intake the a/f was at 10.5 wot

So what should the A/F be at to be safe so it doesnt cause a lean conditon?