Noob needs help 6.4L possible lifter and cam

[BurtShaver]

It's tough to tell by a picture,so you're onto to something with having a mechanic look at them close Burt.
Another question is how long do you plan on keeping the truck,if you plan on running it into the ground,now would be the time to do the cam,but if you're gonna get rid of the truck in a year,then you could probably get away with band-aiding it back together with a new spring and a couple new lifters

I will get him out to have a look, definitely don’t want to band aid things together but I’m also the type not to go changing things that don’t need to be changed. All the posts I’ve seen with bad cams in these hemi’s had been due to a lifter failure chewing up the cans. I would think that the cam would be made of harder metal than the lifters but I don’t really know of course, I . He is a class A mechanic at the dealership, I will have him come out and have a look at the parts because I definitely don’t want to skip out on a cam if it needs one.

 

[Wild one]

I will get him out to have a look, definitely don’t want to band aid things together but I’m also the type not to go changing things that don’t need to be changed. All the posts I’ve seen with bad cams in these hemi’s had been due to a lifter failure chewing up the cans. I would think that the cam would be made of harder metal than the lifters but I don’t really know of course, I . He is a class A mechanic at the dealership, I will have him come out and have a look at the parts because I definitely don’t want to skip out on a cam if it needs one.

The lifter wheel is supposedly harder then the cam,but i've never seen a hardness test that'll confirm whether there's any differances in hardness between the 2

 

[BurtShaver]

Anything wrong with Fel-Pro for head gasket? The reason I ask is I see the left one on closeout for a reduced price and if it’s ok, I want to order it before it’s gone

 

[Wild one]

Anything wrong with Fel-Pro for head gasket? The reason I ask is I see the left one on closeout for a reduced price and if it’s ok, I want to order it before it’s gone

They're a decent gasket,if they're on sale grab them.

 

[BurtShaver]

I just got done placing an order at RA, I got the left bank Fel/ Pro head gasket for 8.23 Canadian, 62.93 for the right side Fel-Pro head gasket. There were 2 of the left side ones left at 8.23 when I started my order but by the time I finished roughly an hour later one had been removed. At 8.23 I was going to buy 2, I had actually tried to order 3 at the start.?I was going to order 3 at that price and then post them on Marketplace for 50.00 a piece, probably not ethical to do that but…. I couldn’t help myself

 

[Wild one]

I just got done placing an order at RA, I got the left bank Fel/ Pro head gasket for 8.23 Canadian, 62.93 for the right side Fel-Pro head gasket. There were 2 of the left side ones left at 8.23 when I started my order but by the time I finished roughly an hour later one had been removed. At 8.23 I was going to buy 2, I had actually tried to order 3 at the start.?I was going to order 3 at that price and then post them on Marketplace for 50.00 a piece, probably not ethical to do that but…. I couldn’t help myself

Hey if you can make a few bucks,nothing wrong with that

 

[BurtShaver]

Would the Melling VS1642 valve springs from Rock Auto be ok to use? Would I be able to use the same seat with them? ( The seat is the piece under the spring). I should change all the springs? I ordered Melling pushrods and the spring compressor tool from Amazon. No matter what, I should probably take the right bank head off and check the springs, lifters?

 

[BurtShaver]

Hey if you can make a few bucks,nothing wrong with that

I missed out, took me to long. I seen it yesterday but I was initially too scared to buy it at that price. At least there was still one left by the end of my order.

 

[Wild one]

I missed out, took me to long. I seen it yesterday but I was initially too scared to buy it at that price. At least there was still one left by the end of my order.

That price does seem low,so make sure you compare it to your original head gasket,to make sure all the holes line up properly.

 

[BurtShaver]

That price does seem low,so make sure you compare it to your original head gasket,to make sure all the holes line up properly.

I will check it, but I’m not too worried, the one for the right bank was the exact same number except for 1 digit. Rock auto does that, when an item goes to close out, they sell the remaining stock cheap

 

[BurtShaver]

Would the Melling VS1642 valve springs from Rock Auto be ok to use? Would I be able to use the same seat with them? ( The seat is the piece under the spring). I should change all the springs? I ordered Melling pushrods and the spring compressor tool from Amazon. No matter what, I should probably take the right bank head off and check the springs, lifters?

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Or there’s the stick ones that come with the new seat for not to much more

 

[Wild one]

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Or there’s the stick ones that come with the new seat for not to much more

Personally i'd stick with the stock springs or the mopar 0.625 lift hi-po springs.

 

[BurtShaver]

We look into the Hemi lifter failures and the dreaded Hemi tick

We unpack the lifter oiling issue that plague the late Hemi.Powellmachineinc.comIf you want to support us financially https://cash.app/$PowellMachine

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I came across this video, thought it was interesting. Now I understand better why it’s so important to keep the oil clean in these Hemi engines compared to most other engines

 

[Wild one]

We look into the Hemi lifter failures and the dreaded Hemi tick

We unpack the lifter oiling issue that plague the late Hemi.Powellmachineinc.comIf you want to support us financially https://cash.app/$PowellMachine

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I came across this video, thought it was interesting. Now I understand better why it’s so important to keep the oil clean in these Hemi engines compared to most other engines

Look very close at the size of the oil holes in the head gaskets to,lol. They really messed up when they redesigned the block in 09,as they could of easily put the VVT tunnel above the cam instead of below it. Upping the idle rpm to 750 or more does help as it flings more oil around the inside of the crankcase,and some of that oil still does make it past the vvt tunnel and onto the cam,not as much as we'd like,but better then nothing.The Johnson lifters with axle oiling have the best rep,but i have yet to run into anybody who's put a 100,000 miles on a set,to see how their life expectancy is for long term use

 

[BurtShaver]

Look very close at the size of the oil holes in the head gaskets to,lol. They really messed up when they redesigned the block in 09,as they could of easily put the VVT tunnel above the cam instead of below it. Upping the idle rpm to 750 or more does help as it flings more oil around the inside of the crankcase,and some of that oil still does make it past the vvt tunnel and onto the cam,not as much as we'd like,but better then nothing.The Johnson lifters with axle oiling have the best rep,but i have yet to run into anybody who's put a 100,000 miles on a set,to see how their life expectancy is for long term use

I really am not knowledgeable enough at all to have a conversation about the oiling issue or any issue concerning any 4 strike engine lol, the only thing the video makes me realize is how small the passages are for the oil to get to the lifters hence the importance of not having any sludge. I’m pretty sure I have read more than once that they could have added oilers for dollars more which would have solved the oiling issue but again I’m just a monkey turning a wrench

 

[dieselscout80]

Look very close at the size of the oil holes in the head gaskets to,lol. They really messed up when they redesigned the block in 09,as they could have easily put the VVT tunnel above the cam instead of below it. Upping the idle rpm to 750 or more does help as it flings more oil around the inside of the crankcase,and some of that oil still does make it past the vvt tunnel and onto the cam,not as much as we'd like,but better then nothing.The Johnson lifters with axle oiling have the best rep,but i have yet to run into anybody who's put a 100,000 miles on a set,to see how their life expectancy is for long term use

I have wondered if it would be possible to add a tube with oil sprayers to lube the cam/lifters? Kinda like how the block has to spray the underside of the pistons on the 6.4 hemi.

 

[GeneM]

Holy cow this is a crazy long thread and it's freaking me out a little as I just bought a '16 2500 with the 6.4 in it... Only 56k on the ODO and the motor purs but now I'm freaking out that these are turds...
I should stay out of forums as this is where people come to complain and discuss problems.....

 

[BurtShaver]

Hi guys, I wanted to update you’s in where I’m at, haven’t gotten far, and I have a few questions. I took the parts that I had off up to Mike, Sonny got back to me and unfortunately he says he no longer gets involved with the internal work anymore. I wasn’t looking for him to do any work, but I respect that he doesn’t want to be involved. I had made sure he understood that I wanted to pay him but that was his decision. I had remembered that I had did a roofing replacement for a couple last summer and Mike is the lead tech at Beattie Dodge , I remebered now that he was the one to bring me in the shop years ago before I had met him. He had figured out a bad wire in the harness for me. Anyways I took my left bank head, parts to him, first thing he grabbed for was the lifters, he said they looked fine but that he would replace them since they were out anyways. After showing him the broken spring on cylinder 3 exhaust he grabbed the pushrod for cylinder 3 exhaust and rolled it and noticed it was slightly bent. He told me I would be fine replacing the spring and pushrod only, he did say to have a look at the cam with a bore scope or even a pen light. I don’t have a pen light but I do have a cheap mastercraft inspection camera. I took a look at left bank cam with the camera, only thing I could tell for sure was that the cam was refracting light evenly across the cam, I then took a screwdriver and very very lightly ran it across the cam through the lifter hole to see if I could feel any type of ridges which I couldn’t. Not highly scientific and I didn’t rotate the crank at all. I’m finding myself a little stuck as to what I should do, I know that the safest thing to do is just change everything and not have to worry but I’m also thinking there is nothing wrong with the cam and hate to do more work than I need to especially since I struggle every step of the way with this. Here’s a couple of thoughts I’m having that I could/should do? Rotate the cam while looking at it with the inspection camera? Good idea? A question about the lifters, should I be able to press and release the little button on the MDs lifters? On the mds lifters for cylinder 1 I can click the little buttons but in cylinder 7 no click on them. I’m also torn on what to do with the tight bank, I’m thinking for piece of mind I should be taking that head off to inspect the push rods, inspect the lifters/ basically replace them because if I take the right bank head off I will definitely replace those lifters no matter what they look like.

 

[BurtShaver]

Holy cow this is a crazy long thread and it's freaking me out a little as I just bought a '16 2500 with the 6.4 in it... Only 56k on the ODO and the motor purs but now I'm freaking out that these are turds...
I should stay out of forums as this is where people come to complain and discuss problems.....

That’s my fault for the thread length

 

[Wild one]

I have wondered if it would be possible to add a tube with oil sprayers to lube the cam/lifters? Kinda like how the block has to spray the underside of the pistons on the 6.4 hemi.

I've pushed that idea for years,lol