Oil Filter Thread

[Curmudgeon]

Interesting.

A catch can is collecting oil/water vapors and keeping them from being burned off through the throttle body into the infinite atmosphere. Seems to me that would an simple upgrade/mod that would be beneficial thing, let alone better for the engine, jm2¢.

Yep, but routing those "emissions" from the PCV Valve through the intake and back to the combustion chamber is a chance for it to be "cleaned" by the catalytic converter before being released.

It's all about the "clean air".

The catch can gathers those same emissions, and now what? As for me I would collect it all and recycle it along with my used oil during the next OCI, still keeping it out of the atmosphere,

Trouble is, some fools cannot be trusted with a task as simple as keeping their gas tank full. So instead of a catch can, we get a low upkeep or zero upkeep system, and engine issues be d*a*m*n*e*d.

We must learn to obey the idiotic dictates of our dark overlords. It's for our own good. :rollseyes:

 

[Curmudgeon]

You can take them on and off very easy, and the cheap ones work as good as the expensive ones.

Just weird to hear a hemi with dirty oil at 500 miles, I's spend some time on it see what I could come with.

OK, so a little back-story. From 07/2017 and 22,000 miles when I bought my 2014, every OCI was handled by the dealer at around 7,000 - 9,000 miles, using whatever bulk oil they had on hand plus a basic Mopar filter.

I was running this as my work commuter doing a minimum 80 miles/day from 2017 to 2023. I felt sick to my stomach when I had a dealer OCI in 10/2023, then checked the dipstick in 12/2023 and found the oil was coal black. Only 528 miles since the "oil change".

That's when I took matters into my own hands, finally, and introduced my own PUP 5w-20 and RP 20-820. I also sent a UOA to Blackstone to test the crud that came out, but the ;ab had little to say as there was only 528 miles on the oil.

Right now the PUP is looking a little cleaner, it's a dark honey but not coal black. I have never run any oil or gas additives other than Top Tier gas. I'm hoping more frequent OCIs with known and better oils and filters will eventually turn things around.

I'm feeling pretty lucky and just a bit gob-smacked that I have not tick, butter-smooth idle, lots of butt-dyno power, and 15.7mpg city, 24mpg highway (3.21 rear, 8 speed). I will continue to use either Mopar AIR filters or Purolator Boss AIR filters as they seem to help keep things clean.

My engine sounds sounds pretty good right now and I'm really looking forward to getting the PBL24651 filter and Red Line 5w-30 oil in it for the summer, and seeing how it runs and sounds.

I want to add a catch-can, looking at Nick's UPR or the Moroso. Big diff in price and both seem to be quality. I like @Wild one saying the radiator mount Moroso makes sense.

 

[JHoward]

OK, so a little back-story. From 07/2017 and 22,000 miles when I bought my 2014, every OCI was handled by the dealer at around 7,000 - 9,000 miles, using whatever bulk oil they had on hand plus a basic Mopar filter.

I was running this as my work commuter doing a minimum 80 miles/day from 2017 to 2023. I felt sick to my stomach when I had a dealer OCI in 10/2023, then checked the dipstick in 12/2023 and found the oil was coal black. Only 528 miles since the "oil change".

That's when I took matters into my own hands, finally, and introduced my own PUP 5w-20 and RP 20-820. I also sent a UOA to Blackstone to test the crud that came out, but the ;ab had little to say as there was only 528 miles on the oil.

Right now the PUP is looking a little cleaner, it's a dark honey but not coal black. I have never run any oil or gas additives other than Top Tier gas. I'm hoping more frequent OCIs with known and better oils and filters will eventually turn things around.

I'm feeling pretty lucky and just a bit gob-smacked that I have not tick, butter-smooth idle, lots of butt-dyno power, and 15.7mpg city, 24mpg highway (3.21 rear, 8 speed). I will continue to use either Mopar AIR filters or Purolator Boss AIR filters as they seem to help keep things clean.

My engine sounds sounds pretty good right now and I'm really looking forward to getting the PBL24651 filter and Red Line 5w-30 oil in it for the summer, and seeing how it runs and sounds.

I want to add a catch-can, looking at Nick's UPR or the Moroso. Big diff in price and both seem to be quality. I like @Wild one saying the radiator mount Moroso makes sense.

I did an oil change on my "2017 off the frame restoration" HEMI RAM yesterday.

I decided to use the Purolator Boss PBL 24651 instead of the Royal Purple 20-820. I've used the Purolator Boss oil filter in the past and there wasn't any issue, plus it's on the shelf at the auto parts store and $14.99 ...

I have a couple Royal Purple oil filters on hand, but wanted to try the Purolator Boss again.

<edit and added note:> And I'm still using Red Line 5w/30

 

[Curmudgeon]

I did an oil change on my "2017 off the frame restoration" HEMI RAM yesterday.

I decided to use the Purolator Boss PBL 24651 instead of the Royal Purple 20-820. I've used the Purolator Boss oil filter in the past and there wasn't any issue, plus it's on the shelf at the auto parts store and $12 ...

I have a couple Royal Purple oil filters on hand, but wanted to try the Purolator Boss again.

<edit and added note:> And I'm still using Red Line 5w/30

Thanks, @JHoward .

In June I hope to have enough miles for a somewhat meaningful UOA of the PUP 5w-20 with RP 20-820. I should be right around 3000 miles, which is early for all this synthetic, but the oil is black and black is bad, IMHO. My wife's oil is older and still the color of honey, and honey is good.

So, new PCV valve, installed Moroso air/oil separator, new air filter (Mopar) and coming up > Red Line 5w-30 and PBL-24651.

I have just around 100 miles on the catch can so probably too early to have a peek, but my curiosity is eating at me just a bit.

EDITED TO ADD: Earlier this week I added 2 15oz bottles of Red Line SI-1 to the gas tank and topped it off with Sunoco 89 octane TopTier. Butt Dyno can feel and loves the reaction from the skinny pedal already. No science to offer other than the SI-1 was added the same day the Moroso was installed.

 

[JHoward]

Thanks, @JHoward .

In June I hope to have enough miles for a somewhat meaningful UOA of the PUP 5w-20 with RP 20-820. I should be right around 3000 miles, which is early for all this synthetic, but the oil is black and black is bad, IMHO. My wife's oil is older and still the color of honey, and honey is good.

So, new PCV valve, installed Moroso air/oil separator, new air filter (Mopar) and coming up > Red Line 5w-30 and PBL-24651.

I have just around 100 miles on the catch can so probably too early to have a peek, but my curiosity is eating at me just a bit.

EDITED TO ADD: Earlier this week I added 2 15oz bottles of Red Line SI-1 to the gas tank and topped it off with Sunoco 89 octane TopTier. Butt Dyno can feel and loves the reaction from the skinny pedal already. No science to offer other than the SI-1 was added the same day the Moroso was installed.

Ok, it has been a week since I performed my HEMI's oil change.

Fwiw or matters, I do not see any oil psi difference using the Purolator Boss PBL 24651 vs Royal Purple 20-820 at highway speeds/cold or hot idle.

I'll post a note if my engine implodes or if it made it to the next oci without issues, lol.

 

[Burla]

Ok, it has been a week since I performed my HEMI's oil change.

Fwiw or matters, I do not see any oil psi difference using the Purolator Boss PBL 24651 vs Royal Purple 20-820 at highway speeds/cold or hot idle.

I'll post a note if my engine implodes or if it made it to the next oci without issues, lol.

good price amazon, 2 bucks off.

 

[JHoward]

Ok, it has been a week since I performed my HEMI's oil change.

Fwiw or matters, I do not see any oil psi difference using the Purolator Boss PBL 24651 vs Royal Purple 20-820 at highway speeds/cold or hot idle.

I'll post a note if my engine implodes or if it made it to the next oci without issues, lol.

Also, engine start-up at cold or hot is quiet ...

note: the oil is Red Line 5w/30

 

[Burla]

wait, that isn't the boss? boss is 15 bucks, but inadvertently maybe I posted another option similar to ultra blended media. on a short interval, that pureone looks good as well.

 

[JHoward]

Yes. Purolator Boss, large oil filter.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Ok, it has been a week since I performed my HEMI's oil change.

Fwiw or matters, I do not see any oil psi difference using the Purolator Boss PBL 24651 vs Royal Purple 20-820 at highway speeds/cold or hot idle.

I'll post a note if my engine implodes or if it made it to the next oci without issues, lol.

Thanks @JHoward , good to know.

By the end of June the weather should be warmer a little more
consistently, still seeing temps in the low 50's on occasion!

I'm still under 3k miles since last OCI in 12/23 right now but I think
the PUP and 20-820 have had a chance to work their magic.

I'll be putting in the Boss filter and Red Line 5w-30 at that time.

Anyone have thoughts about doing a UOA at this OCI considering
I also am currently chugging through a gas tank full of Red Line SI-1?
Or will the additive skew things a bit too much?

 

[Burla]

I don't know, good question though. Interesting thought take a sample before you do the si-1 run since that part of the oci is only a tank full 300 miles or so. Obviously this would be an option for future people considering it. I'd be inclined to send it off, if there is an issue most likely it would be in viscosity and/or insolubles, as opposed to wear and tbn. You setting an interval with this uoa? tbn?

 

[Curmudgeon]

I don't know, good question though.

LOL, well, I guess I can go ahead and try it, letting Blackstone know about the additive, and we can all see what comes back.

 

[JHoward]

Thanks @JHoward , good to know.

By the end of June the weather should be warmer a little more
consistently, still seeing temps in the low 50's on occasion!

I'm still under 3k miles since last OCI in 12/23 right now but I think
the PUP and 20-820 have had a chance to work their magic.

I'll be putting in the Boss filter and Red Line 5w-30 at that time.

Anyone have thoughts about doing a UOA at this OCI considering
I also am currently chugging through a gas tank full of Red Line SI-1?
Or will the additive skew things a bit too much?

Well, I do oci's every 3000 miles.

Most will say that that isn't necessary to change the oil/filter that "early" and that it can be longer @ 5000 miles. Blackstone also suggest going longer, but, it's my "drama queen HEMI" and changing the oil is cheaper than replacing the engine, or cam and lifters.

Hopefully, it'll last me to the end of my days. I'm not interested in new trucks because the window sticker prices and nothing appeals to me.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Thank you @JHoward
I am out of oil filter inventory so plan to try Purolator Boss @ winter oil change since the tested flow restriction with bypass valve closed was lower than Fram and RP.
Did the canister or box indicate where it was assembled?
I've read most syn media is made in China probably because they don't care about microfibers in the air getting into worker's lungs, a known problem with fiberglass, very similar to asbestos.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Thank you @JHoward
I am out of oil filter inventory so plan to try Purolator Boss @ winter oil change since the tested flow restriction with bypass valve closed was lower than Fram and RP.
Did the canister or box indicate where it was assembled?
I've read most syn media is made in China probably because they don't care about microfibers in the air getting into worker's lungs, a known problem with fiberglass, very similar to asbestos.

I ordered mine through Amazon, the box says:
"2022 MANN HUMMEL Purolator Filters LLC
Fayetteville, NC 28306, USA"

The filter itself has a sticker that has the address as
shown above with the additions of:
"Made in USA"
underneath that address.

 

[JHoward]

Thank you @JHoward
I am out of oil filter inventory so plan to try Purolator Boss @ winter oil change since the tested flow restriction with bypass valve closed was lower than Fram and RP.
Did the canister or box indicate where it was assembled?
I've read most syn media is made in China probably because they don't care about microfibers in the air getting into worker's lungs, a known problem with fiberglass, very similar to asbestos.

The Purolator Boss is made in the good 'ol USA.

 

[JHoward]

LOL, well, I guess I can go ahead and try it, letting Blackstone know about the additive, and we can all see what comes back.

Just for arguments sake, or whatever that it might be beneficial, are my HEMI'S Royal Purple 20-820 and Purolator Boss PBL 24651 psi's for comparison(90° outside/daytime temperature and Red Line 5w/30 oil):

Royal Purple 20-820
* cold start/idle psi = 55~57
* hot @70 mph psi = 53~54
* hot idle psi = 48~49


Purolator Boss PBL 24651
* cold start/idle psi = 55~58
* hot @ 70 mph psi = 54
* hot idle psi = 48~49

These comparisons most likely don't mean a thing, but interesting.

I'd be more worried if there wasn't any oil psi.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Just for arguments sake, or whatever that it might be beneficial, are my HEMI'S Royal Purple 20-820 and Purolator Boss PBL 24651 psi's for comparison(90° outside/daytime temperature and Red Line 5w/30 oil):

Royal Purple 20-820
* cold start/idle psi = 55~57
* hot @70 mph psi = 53~54
* hot idle psi = 48~49


Purolator Boss PBL 24651
* cold start/idle psi = 55~58
* hot @ 70 mph psi = 54
* hot idle psi = 48~49

These comparisons most likely don't mean a thing, but interesting.

I'd be more worried if there wasn't any oil psi.

Your numbers look like mine except for the "hot idle psi" numbers.
My truck typically sits between 33-40 at hot idle, but that's with PUP 5w-20.

I've never run 5w-30, and never Red Line, so it will be interesting to see if my truck shows new numbers at hot idle.

All your other numbers look just like mine. Daytime highs here in PA have been anything from high 60s to high 80s, but never in the 90s. Not yet anyway.

 

[fitteenhundred]

Just for arguments sake, or whatever that it might be beneficial, are my HEMI'S Royal Purple 20-820 and Purolator Boss PBL 24651 psi's for comparison(90° outside/daytime temperature and Red Line 5w/30 oil):

Royal Purple 20-820
* cold start/idle psi = 55~57
* hot @70 mph psi = 53~54
* hot idle psi = 48~49


Purolator Boss PBL 24651
* cold start/idle psi = 55~58
* hot @ 70 mph psi = 54
* hot idle psi = 48~49

These comparisons most likely don't mean a thing, but interesting.

I'd be more worried if there wasn't any oil psi.

Thanks for posting this info.
What is your hot idle rpm?

 

[JHoward]

Thanks for posting this info.
What is your hot idle rpm?

Hot idle psi is ~ 48-49.