Operation: Big speakers little holes

[Etroze86]

I can get you a four channel that puts out enough power for you if you need it . I love the ideas and info that everyone shares around here lol.

 

[BradKnob]

I love it. My bank account hates it. Contemplating moving tweets and mids to jbl 4 channel amp and getting another 4 channel jbl to bridge to the dyns....


What kinda deal u ****** about here? Pm me what u got, and a 2 channel if possible.



....Eff my life

 

[BradKnob]

Y is talking bleeped out?

 

[Etroze86]

hahaha auto correct?

 

[BradKnob]

No real update or anything of importance but i must say...


Dynaudio MW172.....


Got them both running and without a doubt, best mid ive heard and its not even close. Now its obvious that the 10 watts from the MS-8 that the tweeters are seeing (theyre 80 RMS) is not gonna cut it. I was going to get a small amp to power them but i have decided to run the tweets and mids off the JBL and get another, more powerful amp for the dyns . So thanks autokraftgt for putting the idea in my head and i will send you the bill.


lol J/k...


Thee new door install may have a lot to do with it also bc they are SOLID. one side is actually boted to the metal on the door so theyre very sturdy. I played the music full tilt for a while before i put the panels back on and found a few rattles and deadned them. Hopefully the MLV and the CCF will be here before the weekend so i can install that.

Also, while "tuning", i see have a nasty peak at 800 hz and 2khz that i cannot kill. Im thinking reflections from the windshield maybe? Im thinking of a way to get the L3s pointing more toward the cab instead of straight into the windshield so that will most likely be my next project.

 

[Etroze86]

1/4 fiber board, cut to the shape you need then sand it down till you get the angle you want. Cheap easy effective.

 

[BradKnob]

1/4 fiber board, cut to the shape you need then sand it down till you get the angle you want. Cheap easy effective.

Thanks! but "easy" is not in my vocabulary. lol


I was thinking along the line of something like this... (stolen from bartholomy s build on DIYMA)

 

[autokraftgt]

No real update or anything of importance but i must say...


Dynaudio MW172.....


Got them both running and without a doubt, best mid ive heard and its not even close. Now its obvious that the 10 watts from the MS-8 that the tweeters are seeing (theyre 80 RMS) is not gonna cut it. I was going to get a small amp to power them but i have decided to run the tweets and mids off the JBL and get another, more powerful amp for the dyns . So thanks autokraftgt for putting the idea in my head and i will send you the bill.


lol J/k...


Thee new door install may have a lot to do with it also bc they are SOLID. one side is actually boted to the metal on the door so theyre very sturdy. I played the music full tilt for a while before i put the panels back on and found a few rattles and deadned them. Hopefully the MLV and the CCF will be here before the weekend so i can install that.

Also, while "tuning", i see have a nasty peak at 800 hz and 2khz that i cannot kill. Im thinking reflections from the windshield maybe? Im thinking of a way to get the L3s pointing more toward the cab instead of straight into the windshield so that will most likely be my next project.

hahaha! awesome!!!!
I knew you'd love those 172's....they'll get better and better with time too....
how "used" were they?
About the reflections....try a dash mat or something on your dash...even a rag for testing...I had a lot of spikes when I had my 102's firing up from that location as well....the dash mat helped a little bit.
I do not want to be a negative nancy, but that pic of the mid from bartholomy's build kinda looks like it could produce more reflections sitting in that pocket...I def could be wrong though. I love the way bartholomy's dash looks!!!!
demo some dire straights 'money for nothing'....your 172's will thank you!!!

 

[BradKnob]

Yes...Love.... I pretty much had everything tuned to the max output of the morels (right before they started popping and distorting) which was not that great apparently. Im sure theyre broken in by now, but they were in great shape. suspension was still very tight. The guy i bought them from used them in a set of home towers.

I also dont think there is a great place to install on the dash but i may have to do some testing and see what works the best.

Funny you say that...dire straits is one of my go to tuning songs. Ill get a vid later and post it up. Not like iphone cameras capture any kind of quality but whatever.

 

[Etroze86]

Lol you are right now way is that going to be easy.

 

[BradKnob]

BradKnobs fight against MLV... Part 1



I finally had time to work on the doors, hopefully the last time i pull the door panels off for a long time. I bought this...

dB-3 4 ft. x 8 ft. Acoustical Barrier-DB348X96BX at The Home Depot

I figured id give it a shot as a cheap alternative to this...


Luxury Liner - 1 sheet(9SqFt) - Second Skin Audio

Its a good bit cheaper but shi9pping from second skin was lik $65 or something crazy so thats where i saved, home depot was ship to store for free.

Basically its just a heavy vinyl that weighs .75 lbs per square foot. Less than second skin but i would try to double it up and have 1.5 lbs per square ft and would still be cheaper to do both doors and the back wall. All it does really is drape between door skin and door panel and blocks outside road noises and rattles. My plan was to fasten it to the plastic door card so the weight of it would also help prevent rattles as well as block them.



Here you can see the thickness 1/8". Also 1 roll of this stuff weighs 25 lbs and i would use almost 2/3s of a roll on each door...




Traced shape of door panel....




Cut out holes where door panel hooks were...






My main concern was how i was going to fasten it to the door. I had some industrial velcro i used. I put some on there and let this one peice sit overnight and in the sun today and when i got to my truck after work... no bueno. Velcro did not stick at all. On to plan B...


I stopped at lowes and picked up a bunch of these...



This way, the whole weight of the MLV would be put onto the inner door card and hopefully prevent a lot of resonance.

I cut both pieces and used zip ties to hold them together



Then i put it on the door, you can see 3 of the clips, 2 at bottom and one upper left. i wound up with 6 over all. I tried to fit door panel, took it off trimmed...tried to fit door panel, took it off trimmed...tried to fit door panel, took it off trimmed...tried to fit door panel, took it off trimmed... you get the idea but i was determined to get 2 sheets to fit and this is how it wound up...




Then to help get sound waves into the cab and not behind the door panel i put some camper top foam seal around the speaker that actually touches the inside the door panel ...






It was still a PITA to get the panel on but i got it.. and i didnt want to take it off again so theres not many pics of it totally completed but now my passanger door is like closing a bank vault. Between the dedener, speaker, weather seal, mdf baffle, and MLV its gotta be 25lbs heavier. I never really heard any rattling from that side from the driver seat but it is noticably quieter when driving. I dunno if its in my head but the music actuallty seams louder in the cab at a volume in which i normally listen too. when i get the driver door done and recalibrate MS-8 Ill be able to get a better idea of what it sounds like.




Took this on the way to work this morning. I know these vids are kinda pointless and do no justice but just bc i said i would. I tried to record at a volume that didnt just sound like a buncha farts on the crappy iphone mic...

 

[Power247]

Well done!!! Looks like my next mod! Do you think 3M automotive tape would hold any better than the velcro? I'm thinking that I might only need to do 1 layer since I already deadened the inside of the doors... don;t want to add too much weight and mess up the hinges...

 

[BradKnob]

Not too familiar with that 3m tape but the Velcro would not stick to the vinyl at all. Stuck to the door like a champ tho. I would recommend testing how well the tape bonds to the vinyl and see if will hold the weight of it.

 

[charonblk07]

Proper vibration and noise dampening makes a huge difference with the quality of music and interior noise. My last truck was deadened to the nines and I'm now working on mine with the Luxury Liner Pro and the Damplifier Pro. I saved some $$ on it by picking up the b-roll of the Damplifier but the stuff is stupid thick compared to the Dynamat I used on my last truck. It's all hard and annoying work but the results are worth it, you'll be happy when it's all done.

 

[BradKnob]

^^^ %100 agree. It is a huge pain installing it all and it can get pricey but is crucial for a good sounding system. I learned a while back how much volume and detail can be lost in music due to road noise and rattles that you may not even realize you have until you've killed it. Though, this is the first time I've used any type of mlv, I think it wall be a staple in future installs. If I ever feel like gutting the interior (which I have no desire to do at the moment) I'd like to do the floors and roof.

 

[autokraftgt]

MLV seems like a good option....AND you can get it down the street!
Let us know when both doors are done and how you like it

 

[Etroze86]

Yep this is happening if I ever get around to changing my mids out.

 

[BradKnob]

I know it works bc my wife came home mid install and started yapping like wives do so I held a piece up between us and her voice was def muffled.


Take my word for it. Do not try this method at home!

 

[Etroze86]

hahahahahahahaha

 

[Power247]

I know it works bc my wife came home mid install and started yapping like wives do so I held a piece up between us and her voice was def muffled.


Take my word for it. Do not try this method at home!

That is proof enough for me