Performance Modifications

[David Janes]

Hello everyone, I have a 2013 ram 1500. I currently have a cold air intake and a Diablo i3 tuner. What would be the next steps I would take to increase performance that make the most sense logically to do? I was thinking about getting it cammed but want to hear thoughts on best cams/what the cost of it would end up being with labor. Relatively new to the truck world and learning about engines and what to do so talk to me like a young one. Thanks in advance.

 

[TheEnder]

I’m guessing you have the 5.7L Hemi, so yes, cams would be good, i recommend hellcat lifters as the normal 5.7L lifters have a issue with the bearings seizing and eating into the camshaft.


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[Cwils80]

I have a 2015 8 spd. The very first thing I did to my truck was a pcm swap and a custom tune with Jay Greene. I feel like that is a big bang for the buck spent. After that I recently got a Volant CAI and next week or two I'm ordering a bored out throttle body from Fastman.

IMHO I would get a custom tune from whoever you see is the best for you. Jay Greene, hemi fever, flyin Ryan, demon motorsports.

But a lot of people say get long tube headers and exhaust. I hear that will give the most bolt on performance. But sadly long tubes take a data logging with a custom tuner to truely get the work out of them.

 

[dexter]

Electric fan

 

[Nick@GotExhaust]

Long tube headers. they will give a nice bump in power and help support any bigger modifications like a cam or forced induction. headers are one of the best bolt on power increases you can do to the RAM. Got to be long tubes and y pipe tho as the y pipe is a big restriction as well.

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[Cwils80]

Electric fan

Ahh yes! The fan clutch delete is a very easy one to do. I still need to do mine..... Aswell as a 180° tstat and catch can.

 

[dexter]

I have a 2015 8 spd. The very first thing I did to my truck was a pcm swap and a custom tune with Jay Greene. I feel like that is a big bang for the buck spent. After that I recently got a Volant CAI and next week or two I'm ordering a bored out throttle body from Fastman.

IMHO I would get a custom tune from whoever you see is the best for you. Jay Greene, hemi fever, flyin Ryan, demon motorsports.

But a lot of people say get long tube headers and exhaust. I hear that will give the most bolt on performance. But sadly long tubes take a data logging with a custom tuner to truely get the work out of them.

You might want to look at this first
https://www.thermotec.com/news/2018/04/03/how-exhaust-wrap-can-increase-performance

 

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[Ohio5pt7]

Hello everyone, I have a 2013 ram 1500. I currently have a cold air intake and a Diablo i3 tuner. What would be the next steps I would take to increase performance that make the most sense logically to do? I was thinking about getting it cammed but want to hear thoughts on best cams/what the cost of it would end up being with labor. Relatively new to the truck world and learning about engines and what to do so talk to me like a young one. Thanks in advance.

Next should be headers. You wont see all the gains from a cam with stock manifolds. Then if you want performance a stall will get you more acceleration gains and will compliment what ever cam down the line.
Usually everyone does cai and muffler right off the bat doesnt need tuned but once you get serious here is the order I would recommend.
1. Tune you got it covered
2. Longtubes
3. Stall
4.electric fan
5.underdive pulley
6. Cam
7. 6.4 intake
8. TB
9. Heads
10. Stroker
11. Boost

Those can be rearranged some but you get the idea.


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[Wild one]

Next should be headers. You wont see all the gains from a cam with stock manifolds. Then if you want performance a stall will get you more acceleration gains and will compliment what ever cam down the line.
Usually everyone does cai and muffler right off the bat doesnt need tuned but once you get serious here is the order I would recommend.
1. Tune you got it covered
2. Longtubes
3. Stall
4.electric fan
5.underdive pulley
6. Cam
7. 6.4 intake
8. TB
9. Heads
10. Stroker
11. Boost

Those can be rearranged some but you get the idea.


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That's a good list Ohio,pretty well spot on

 

[Elevated 2013]

Wild one and Ohio5pt7 are both reputable people to listen to when it comes to these trucks and I agree with them. Deleting the clutch fan and installing a 180 thermostat are easy upgrades to do and you will notice a little better throttle response. Since you have a 2013, you do not have to change the electric fan to the v6 electric fan. I know because I have a 2013 1500 and I still just have the stock electric fan and I’ve never seen the truck go over 205 even in 100+ temps, high humidity, and stop and go traffic. I would think an exhaust system would be another good next step. If you can afford long tube headers and y pipe at the same time, even better. The cats are a big restriction on these trucks. Even getting a y pipe with high flow cats would really help the engine breathe better. To really get the most out of long tube headers you will need to be tuned at that point. The tune will help the electric fan as well as you will want that to come on at 180 degrees and not the stock 210. After that you can do a cam and lifters and intake manifold. Some people even swap differential gears depending on what gears you have stock.

 

[David Janes]

@Ohio5pt7 @Wild one thanks for the list guys. Bare with me while I ask you these questions as it might be pretty obvious to you but I don't know what they are.

Can you explain what each of these are?
Longtubes (I'm guessing they are tubes that are long. Just not sure for what),
Stall,

Electric fan (what it does),

6.4 intake that makes sense too me I am assuming that's the intake for the 6.4 liters instead of the 5.7s.

TB(throttle booster? if so my tuner had a throttle booster percent increase to 20 that I put on with it),

heads and cam I know what you are talking about.

stroker?

Boost? do you mean like a turbo?

Also thank you guys for taking the time to get me this list and help me out!

 

[David Janes]

@Elevated 2013 thanks for the response and thanks for giving me even more trust in those two guys! I had dual straights put on but I believe they did a cat back because of the sensors in the cats I think. I am taking it to the shop tomorrow so I will ask them what they did for sure. if you guys ever end up in Dubuque, IA or surrounding area I 100% recommend J's Performance. Great shop with a lot of knowledge that won't screw you over!

 

[Ohio5pt7]

@Ohio5pt7 @Wild one thanks for the list guys. Bare with me while I ask you these questions as it might be pretty obvious to you but I don't know what they are.

Can you explain what each of these are?
Longtubes (I'm guessing they are tubes that are long. Just not sure for what),
Stall,

Electric fan (what it does),

6.4 intake that makes sense too me I am assuming that's the intake for the 6.4 liters instead of the 5.7s.

TB(throttle booster? if so my tuner had a throttle booster percent increase to 20 that I put on with it),

heads and cam I know what you are talking about.

stroker?

Boost? do you mean like a turbo?

Also thank you guys for taking the time to get me this list and help me out!

Long tubes are long tube headers. Exhaust wise they are the only mod the nets any real gain.

A stall is a torque converter. Let's say you want a cam that make power 2800-6200 rpm. A let's say 3000 stall will flash the converter and get you into your power band faster. A cam that make power in that range with no stall will be a dog especially if you have 3.21s.

An electric fan reduces the drag on the engine/ parasitic loss which just frees up power you already make.

A TB is a throttle body. You can get one from moes at moes performance or afast man. I would recommend you talk with your tuner tell them what your goals are and they can help you decide if you need a bored tb or if a ported one will work better for you.

A stroker is a rotating assembly with a longer stroke and typically larger pistons. Currently your hemi is 345 cubic inches you can stroke your motor up to I have seen 400 cubic inches which I wouldnt recommend that high if you are planning boost again I'd talk to your tuner/ builder. You can also get a 392 block and stroke that up to 448 cubic inches. Strokers provide substantial hp gains with a ton of tq.


As far as boost it could be a turbo or a supercharger. Depending on your needs will dictate which you want. If you want a something that rips as soon as you touch the gas a positive displacement supercharger is where to go. If you want it to pull like a freight train turbo or centrifugal blower is the way to go as they build more power with more rpm. They also allow you to keep traction a little better as its bit blasting your drivetrain right off rip. You can add boost on a stock truck if your not power hungry 500hp is pushing your luck on stock pistons. If you tow heavy I would recommend at a minimum forged drop in pistons if you go boost as boost creates more heat and towing increases that heat which l can cause detonation which will put a window in your engine block.

Long winded but hope that helps.

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[Elevated 2013]

@Ohio5pt7 @Wild one thanks for the list guys. Bare with me while I ask you these questions as it might be pretty obvious to you but I don't know what they are.

Can you explain what each of these are?
Longtubes (I'm guessing they are tubes that are long. Just not sure for what),
Stall,

Electric fan (what it does),

6.4 intake that makes sense too me I am assuming that's the intake for the 6.4 liters instead of the 5.7s.

TB(throttle booster? if so my tuner had a throttle booster percent increase to 20 that I put on with it),

heads and cam I know what you are talking about.

stroker?

Boost? do you mean like a turbo?

Also thank you guys for taking the time to get me this list and help me out!

Long tubes= long tube headers to replace the stock exhaust manifolds.

Stall= a different stall rpm torque convertor from what the stock torque convertor has

TB= throttle body. They’re talking about either port and polishing your existing one or buying a bigger throttle body. Jason Dauria on Facebook makes a great one that will definitely increase you throttle response.

Stroker = boring and stroking the engine so that the piston goes up and down farther creating more horsepower/torque

 

[David Janes]

@Elevated 2013 @Ohio5pt7 this helps so much! thank you for taking the time to explain it all to me. Of all these things what is the highest on the cost scale and the lowest? Just so I can have somewhat of an idea!

 

[Ohio5pt7]

@Elevated 2013 @Ohio5pt7 this helps so much! thank you for taking the time to explain it all to me. Of all these things what is the highest on the cost scale and the lowest? Just so I can have somewhat of an idea!

1. Tune- depends on your tuner 2-300

2. Longtubes- jba 700 arh 1600 arh are better fitment but jba with a custom mid pipe will save you coin.

3. Stall- 5-900 depends on stall and core

4.electric fan

5.underdive pulley- 400

6. Cam- cam only about 700 but you will also need supporting hardware if you get a decent sized cam this can run you up to about 1900

7. 6.4 intake- new about 899 and up depending on if you want it ported you can find them used

8. TB- 3-500 again you can find them used.

9. Heads- 2500-3500 depending on core

10. Stroker- about 1500 but you will also need machine work which will be about another 2k depending on location and if you aren't a machanical person another 2k or more to pull the motor build and reinstall. I would budget 8-10k

11. Boost- depending on what you do 4k-10k if you do a torqstorm supercharger it's about the cheapest I have seen but you gotta be mechanical. A whipple set up will run you about 7k if you install again I'd budget 8-10k

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[Ohio5pt7]

If your goal is to be high 3s to 400hp to the ground you can make it with bolt ons. Any boost will get you to the max of what a stock engine can handle. A stroker alone will get you in the 450 range. Those are to the ground numbers. Some people hear 450 and they are like that's nothing it makes 395 stock well let me tell you very few ppl need or can handle a 450 wheel horsepower vehicle and even less can handle it in a truck with no weight in the rear. Again it's all about your needs. Best advice is dig learn as much as you can and plan. I wanted to slap a blower on mine and call it a day. I tow a heavy travel trailer and quickly learned I would have made a 8k+ mistake when I hit the mountains and threw all that extra heat at it. I also have 3.21 gears so a big improvement for me would be to gear swap.

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[Elevated 2013]

1. Tune- depends on your tuner 2-300

2. Longtubes- jba 700 arh 1600 arh are better fitment but jba with a custom mid pipe will save you coin.

3. Stall- 5-900 depends on stall and core

4.electric fan

5.underdive pulley- 400

6. Cam- cam only about 700 but you will also need supporting hardware if you get a decent sized cam this can run you up to about 1900

7. 6.4 intake- new about 899 and up depending on if you want it ported you can find them used

8. TB- 3-500 again you can find them used.

9. Heads- 2500-3500 depending on core

10. Stroker- about 1500 but you will also need machine work which will be about another 2k depending on location and if you aren't a machanical person another 2k or more to pull the motor build and reinstall. I would budget 8-10k

11. Boost- depending on what you do 4k-10k if you do a torqstorm supercharger it's about the cheapest I have seen but you gotta be mechanical. A whipple set up will run you about 7k if you install again I'd budget 8-10k

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#1 for me was $700. #4 is free as all you have to do is remove the manual clutch fan and that’s something you can do by yourself.

Stroker, supercharger/turbocharger, heads, camshaft and supporting parts, and long tube headers are your most expensive but will give you the biggest gains.

I agree with Ohio5pt7 but I think prices here in Chicago (or at least with my tuner) are more expensive. But then again, I’m able to do most of my own work outside of the dyno tune, and internal engine work as I choose not to do it.

 

[Ohio5pt7]

#1 for me was $700. #4 is free as all you have to do is remove the manual clutch fan and that’s something you can do by yourself.

Stroker, supercharger/turbocharger, heads, camshaft and supporting parts, and long tube headers are your most expensive but will give you the biggest gains.

I agree with Ohio5pt7 but I think prices here in Chicago (or at least with my tuner) are more expensive. But then again, I’m able to do most of my own work outside of the dyno tune, and internal engine work as I choose not to do it.

I guess I should have specified #1 email tunes from hemi fever, jay greene, demon motorsports are in that range. Dyno tunes are a lot more coin but imho the known remote tuners seem to get the best overall performance. And tweaks are a lot cheaper lol.

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