I read it on the net

[RamDiver]

There is a level sensing device built in. When the truck is shut off, on 'reasonably' level ground, it does a self check. There is a display on the dash that shows the level. If it gets too low, a message is displayed. Lots of car companies, mostly European ones use a system like this, its nothing new.

I don't love it, a dipstick is fine with me, but I have always been in the habit of opening the hood to look things over once a month or so. There are lots of people these days that don't know how to open the hood, forget about checking the dipstick. I think the companies do it because they know so many people aren't smart enough to check it on their own.

A flaming/flashing idiot light is a bit harder to ignore, at least for the majority.

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[Burla]

Level sensing device isn't bad, why not have both? Pure absolute blsht decision to not have both, there ain't a guy out there that wouldnt pay the extra 20 bucks for a dipstick. Electronic sensors fail, it is that simple. Even an 8 speed would drive me crazy not knowing the level after a fresh oil change. I am ok with the way most cvt's do it, that is a simple way to validate level w/o a dip stick, but no dipstick in the engine, in no vehicle I will ever own, nope not doing that.

 

[Curmudgeon]

I think having both would be neat, just like the readout I get
from my TPMS sensors that show low pressure as well as
the PSI at each tire.

But I'm not giving up my little gauge.

 

[Burla]

I think having both would be neat, just like the readout I get
from my TPMS sensors that show low pressure as well as
the PSI at each tire.

But I'm not giving up my little gauge.

oh man you getting me started on TPS? Still haven't put those back when I upgraded tires and wheels, lol.

 

[Wild one]

C - The proper way to fill an engine with oil is to put in the amount the manufacturer recommends.

That works on a untuned engine,but if you're tuned and running the engine up to 6400+ ,a 1/2 quart extra isn't going to hurt,as the pump is moving upwards of 10 GPM at 5600 rpm.
A 1/2 quart extra doesn't hurt a stock hemi either,as you're still well under the windage tray.
You're better off a 1/2 quart over then a 1/2 quart under.
You only open the hood once a month,i wouldn't let you drive any of my vehicles,if you aren't opening the hood at least once a week,and preferably more like on a daily basis.


The standard oil pump for a 2020 5.7L Hemi V8 typically flows roughly 8 to 10 gallons per minute (GPM) at higher engine speeds. While specific technical manuals often cite flow rates in liters per second, general industry benchmarks for medium-sized V8 engines like the Hemi place them in this 8–10 GPM range. [1]

 

[mdc1990zr1]

I personally prefill the oil filter a good bit and then fill to the top level mark on the dipstick then start & run it for about a minute to circulate and turn it off.

Wait 10 minutes and check. The level is usually a tidge below the top fill line. I then add an additional half liter and call it done.

My engine then reads slightly above the top fill line when I check it cold every time thereafter.
I also don't burn a drop of oil between oil/filter changes either, and I go 10,000km's++ on my current OCI schedule as I'm using HPL SC 0W30 and a 20-820.

I'm pushing this current OCI to 12,000km's++ and sending it in to Blackstone to see what it says, and including the TAN & TBN as well.

For the price of this oil in a pail to be shipped to me in Canuckland from HPL, I want to get the most mileage out of it as safely and reasonably possible.

If I check mine cold in the morning the level will read high above the full line. If I follow the owners manual and run the engine to temperature, shut the vehicle off, wait five minutes and then check, it is right at the full line.

 

[PolarisCobra]

As far as modified engines go, note my post #12 above.

I will be the first to admit that I have never taken one of these engines apart, and I don't really know how much the pan will really hold without the level rising up to the point where the crank is dipped into the oil when its shut down.

I am surprised to hear that the system can move 8 - 10 gallons per minute. The stock oil filter probably holds about a pint, or maybe a little more. That would mean that the oil in it is changing over 30 - 40 times per minute in those conditions.

I would still say that for a stock truck, you will never cause a problem putting the seven quarts that the manual says to use. You can cause problems by overfilling the engine too much.

As for checking oil levels more than once a month, no problem. But - the reality is that there are lots of people who never check anything at all. Checking weekly or daily puts you in a tiny minority. Nothing wrong with that, but the manufactures have to take the owners who never check into consideration. So they build in self checks to protect the system, and hopefully reduce warranty costs.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

Didn't you recognize the fescious tone in that text?

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[Wild one]

As far as modified engines go, note my post #12 above.

I will be the first to admit that I have never taken one of these engines apart, and I don't really know how much the pan will really hold without the level rising up to the point where the crank is dipped into the oil when its shut down.

I am surprised to hear that the system can move 8 - 10 gallons per minute. The stock oil filter probably holds about a pint, or maybe a little more. That would mean that the oil in it is changing over 30 - 40 times per minute in those conditions.

I would still say that for a stock truck, you will never cause a problem putting the seven quarts that the manual says to use. You can cause problems by overfilling the engine too much.

As for checking oil levels more than once a month, no problem. But - the reality is that there are lots of people who never check anything at all. Checking weekly or daily puts you in a tiny minority. Nothing wrong with that, but the manufactures have to take the owners who never check into consideration. So they build in self checks to protect the system, and hopefully reduce warranty costs.

What the oil level is, when the engines shut down means squat,it's what the oil level is when it's running.I've yet to see an engine run out of oil or hurt itself when it's not running.
A 1/2 quart overfull is still a fair ways below the windage tray.
The pump if it's healthy moves 10+ GPM at the factory 5600 rpm shift point,it's moving 8 GPM when the engines down around 2,000 rpm
Why are you commenting if you've never had a Hemi apart
Next time maybe leave my system out of your comments,as all you did was p!ss me off dude
I'd of left you alone if you hadn't brought my system into your comments

 

[04fxdwgi]

A flaming/flashing idiot light is a bit harder to ignore, at least for the majority.

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HAHAHAHA. How many times have you seen a seemingly intelligent person drive for months with a CEL illuminated?

Just an observation......

 

[PolarisCobra]

@Wild one - Never meant to aggravate you. I don't see any reason why different people can't choose to do things different ways. Never said adding more oil is wrong, only said that I don't believe you will have trouble if you add the amount the manufacturer recommends.

My comments were not really meant to be HEMI, or even Ram specific, but should hold true for any car or truck. Anyone who chooses to do something different, based on something they have learned, is fine with me.

 

[RamDiver]

HAHAHAHA. How many times have you seen a seemingly intelligent person drive for months with a CEL illuminated?

Just an observation......

That was supposed to be covered in my qualifier 'at least for the majority'.

One of my close friends is a walking encyclopedia on endless topics from history to engineering and holds multiple university degrees.

His winter vehicle is a Jeep that auto-locks all the doors while running, if you step out, and has a highly annoying seatbelt nanny.

I've sent him the information to fix both of these items, but he chooses to leave a door open as he briefly steps out, and he doesn't care about the dinging nanny.
I've even offered to fix these things so they don't bug me.

He still doesn't care and can't be bothered with any effort to correct these annoyances.
I see travelling with him as patience training for me. LOL

And, he always has a CEL that he assumes is an issue he created by not fixing another item that he doesn't care about.

To his defence, the Jeep is an early '80s vehicle with far fewer technical complications than any recent models. And he bought it for a screaming deal, decades ago.

He loves to remind me of its simplicity and cost-effectiveness over his years of ownership.

All to say, I know what you're referring to. LOL

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[EdGs]

A 1/2 quart extra doesn't hurt a stock hemi either,as you're still well under the windage tray.
You're better off a 1/2 quart over then a 1/2 quart under.
The standard oil pump for a 2020 5.7L Hemi V8 typically flows roughly 8 to 10 gallons per minute (GPM) at higher engine speeds. While specific technical manuals often cite flow rates in liters per second, general industry benchmarks for medium-sized V8 engines like the Hemi place them in this 8–10 GPM range. [1]

That's what I was wondering about, how much oil is actually drawn down and in circulation once the oil is everywhere it needs to be at idle.

There is some drawdown, I would believe.

I will have to try to find the comment that i read to begin with. Just kinda made me go, Hmmmmm.

 

[Dusty]

It seems to me that they would design the sump to hold the amount of oil needed while the engine is running, not while stopped.

I think they already have.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 151613 miles.

 

[Wild one]

@Wild one - Never meant to aggravate you. I don't see any reason why different people can't choose to do things different ways. Never said adding more oil is wrong, only said that I don't believe you will have trouble if you add the amount the manufacturer recommends.

My comments were not really meant to be HEMI, or even Ram specific, but should hold true for any car or truck. Anyone who chooses to do something different, based on something they have learned, is fine with me.

This comment you made on post #27,kind of contradicts what you're saying here, first you said overfilling causes problems,now you're saying adding more oil doesn't,which is it bud

"You can cause problems by overfilling the engine too much."

 

[PolarisCobra]

I think you can put in more than the standard 7 qts that the 5.7 HEMI calls for. Probably no issue with 7.5 or 8 qts. Of course, if there are any modifications to the lubrication system, that would have to be accounted for.

But - I do believe there is a point where it is possible to overfill by too much. For example, I think 15 qts will be too much, and put the crank well into the oil level. 12 qts is also probably too much. What the MAX amount that can be added to a stock engine is something I don't know.

My only point is all of this is that adding the amount that the manufacturer recommends should not cause issues. Checking the level on a regular basis is always smart. That 'regular basis' is not the same for everyone. I found that I could most always go about 7500 miles (my preferred oil change interval, yours may be different) with little or no loss of oil on the dipstick. So - I would check it about once a month, which is about 1500 miles for me. If something seemed out of the ordinary, I would check more often.

 

[SouthernBornRebel]

Run what it says to run... NOTE: It also says Hemi is a "jump in, start, GO!", no need to let warm up, that forces the oil pump to throw oil to top of engine immediately, therefore not starving it for oil, the oil's thin enough to go from the get go...
Argue if you want... The rest of you, You're Welcome!

 

[Lard]

You can only check oil with engine running on cars with a sensor and no dip stick on Eurotrash cars

 

[Wild one]

I think you can put in more than the standard 7 qts that the 5.7 HEMI calls for. Probably no issue with 7.5 or 8 qts. Of course, if there are any modifications to the lubrication system, that would have to be accounted for.

But - I do believe there is a point where it is possible to overfill by too much. For example, I think 15 qts will be too much, and put the crank well into the oil level. 12 qts is also probably too much. What the MAX amount that can be added to a stock engine is something I don't know.

My only point is all of this is that adding the amount that the manufacturer recommends should not cause issues. Checking the level on a regular basis is always smart. That 'regular basis' is not the same for everyone. I found that I could most always go about 7500 miles (my preferred oil change interval, yours may be different) with little or no loss of oil on the dipstick. So - I would check it about once a month, which is about 1500 miles for me. If something seemed out of the ordinary, I would check more often.

Those are ridiculous amounts,of course it's way to far overfull with even 10 quarts in the pan,but the number thrown around on this thread is a 1/2 Quart overfull,not the stupid numbers you're throwing out. You might want to pay more attention,as you would of picked up on that number,why you think you have to talk about the stupid amounts you're throwing out is beyond me.You seem to be the only one who didn't pick up on the 1/2 Quart number

 

[crackerjack1957]

Those are ridiculous amounts,of course it's way to far overfull with even 10 quarts in the pan,but the number thrown around on this thread is a 1/2 Quart overfull,not the stupid numbers you're throwing out. You might want to pay more attention,as you would of picked up on that number,why you think you have to talk about the stupid amounts you're throwing out is beyond me.You seem to be the only one who didn't pick up on the 1/2 Quart number

He's half a quart low on the cells........LoL