RAM dealerships refuses to service my vehicle due to low survey score (long post)

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EDIT- Dealership name for those asking and those who will read this. Champion RAM CHRYSLER of Zionsville, Indiana

so i figured id keep you guys all posted on my dealer issues with RAM after my service appointmnet last money (http://www.ramforum.com/f38/another_day_dealer_another_day_my_time_wasted-107766/ heres my thread if you need to catch up)

Anyways i went ahead and rated the dealerships service pretty poorly. I gave them ratings between 0 and 6. However, did rate their cleanliness a 10.

So today i got a call from Ron who is the service guy that looked at my truck. He calls me today and says "i see you got gave us a bad review on the survey and id like to talk about this." I explained how i felt like they didnt attempt to fix any of my issues and all of the issues are still present and none of them are even fixed. He goes on to say "tell you what. i am going to have my manager resend you the survery and id like you to try and give us 9s or 10s. I dont think we deserve the 0s and 6s you gave us. Once you get that survey sent in we will take another look at your truck."

I went on to explain that i gave them my honest opinion on the survey and that i felt like my scores were fair based on how i was treated. Especially since they had my truck for 8 hours and essentially only flashed my computer, i waited 15 minutes for them to find my truck once i got there, and the dumb service driver LEFT MY TRUCK IN DRIVE WHEN HE GOT OUT!! He was like well yes that is all we did in 8 hours but we still looked at the other stuff.

I told him if you didnt find the issues you should have called me to keep me updated like i asked you to. I told him i would have happily showed him the issues and noises on a test drive or demonstration. I asked is that not standard practice for a mechanical issue? he said "well of course that is standard practice but only if the customer requests it."

we continue our conversation and he comes back to the survey. He said listen im going to get this survey sent back to you and then once you get us some 9s or 10s we will get you back in and i will look at it and you can go for a ride with the manager and we will happily take a look at it again. I said wait "so if i dont redo this survey you are saying you refuse to look at my truck???" hes says "no no no thats not what i said... im just not going to go out of my way to speak to RAM corporate about your issues or to look into things deeper if we dont find them initally." Im like you are refusing to work on my vehicle because i wont cahgne my scores. That is absolutely ridiculous!

He goes on to tell me well you chose to modify your vehicle and alter it. If you didnt put those LARGE HEAVY tires (emphasized this) on your vehicle then you wouldnt have these issues. These all void the warranty. Your tire winch would be fine with stock tire. The issue is that the tire wont fit under there and thats why it doesnt fit. I said no the tire fits fine (its only 32.4" which is like barely 1" over stock i believe) and the tire weighs pretty close to stock weight. I told him its the mechanism thats stripped out not the tire winch not working. IT will get the tire off the ground. I asked what the stock tire weight was and he couldnt tell me. I told him well if its the same or close to that of my spare then how am i wrong here? He couldnt answer.

He also told me because i took my battery out of my truck when it died and "went ahead and replaced it myself and took that initiative that he cant help me there." Hes like well how do i know thats the stock battery? Im like what did you want me to do? MY truck was dead in a autozone parking lot and you guys refused to give me a loaner and refused to look at my truck until 4 days out? hes like "well you should have jump started it, drove it here and left it and we would have replaced it." I explained that then i would have to have a rental car and pay $35 a day for 4 days for you to MAYBE consider it replacable under warranty. Hes like well thats what you needed to do.

In the end of the conversation hes like well i dont know what else i can do for you here. If you dont want to redo your survey then we cant help you unforunately. I explained that i would happily submit a survery ONCE they look at it again and we agree together whether its broken, or not. He said well sorry no we will not look at your truck you will have to take it to another dealer!

I have never EVER felt so off put, and disrespected by a company. This makes me NEVER want to own another RAM truck again. I LOVVVEEE my truck but its not worth it with all these BS people working for RAM.

I will say i am in contact with Andrea from RAMCARE and i know she will do everything she can to make it right and i do not blame, or think badly about her or anyone who work for RAM CARE because they have helped me out before and i know they truly care about us as owners/ customers. However, i can not say the same about the dealerships or service department.

I also called the dealer back and left a message with the director of the service department to file an official complaint because that was some straight up disrespect and BS. You can not force a customer to change his survey as a condition to look at his vehicle.

Had the same issue recently at the dealer...Service Advisor made a smartass comment about the low survey score on the last vist there back in febuary...Unfortunately what I went there to get fixed on tuesday only got fixed for 12 hrs...Had to take it back a second time for the same thing the next day...This morning when I start the truck, I will know if a 3rd trip is needed...
 
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touched base with AG... willl not be able to lemon law since i bought it pre-owned but we still have options. we just are waiting for ram to respond. i asked her when their deadline is
 

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I think I'd file complaint with the BBB on the dealership as well. Then I'd be sending an email to the State AG's Ofc.


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AG yes BUT IMO BBB a waste of time they are financed by the business NOT the consumer
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Had the same issue recently at the dealer...Service Advisor made a smartass comment about the low survey score on the last vist there back in febuary...Unfortunately what I went there to get fixed on tuesday only got fixed for 12 hrs...Had to take it back a second time for the same thing the next day...This morning when I start the truck, I will know if a 3rd trip is needed...

Yep...A 3rd trip is needed...Same issue when I started the truck this morning...
 

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Bdersch...

trying to follow this since you first posted... it is getting difficult for me and probably others to figure out where exactly you are at this point in time...

without restating your original problem which is well stated in the first few dozen posts... can I ask, WHERE ARE YOU AT NOW with the legalities in this case? Is anyone actively trying to help and have you seen any progress with another delearship OR RAM?

thx in advance
 
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Updates, current progress report

Bdersch...

trying to follow this since you first posted... it is getting difficult for me and probably others to figure out where exactly you are at this point in time...

without restating your original problem which is well stated in the first few dozen posts... can I ask, WHERE ARE YOU AT NOW with the legalities in this case? Is anyone actively trying to help and have you seen any progress with another delearship OR RAM?

thx in advance

Understandable. this post has taken off.

I have not had any contact with RAM care , RAM Case specialist or the original RAM dealer in quite a while now.

Right now i am at the point where i am working with the AG and she is waiting for RAM dealerhsip to respond to my initial complaint. Until this dealership responds the AG and I can not make any moves. The AG also can not tell me what my options are or what is a likely outcome of this case until we have an answer. I dont know the specific date in hand because she did not tell me one but they have 2 or 3 more weeks to give an official response.

i reached out to the BBB, the director of this RAM dealer, and sent an email to the president of RAM and have not heard any responses.
 

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Just a word of advice. Never tell the dealer or RAM Cares that you are involving any type of legal council. They will immediately close any open support cases and cease all communication with you.
 
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Just a word of advice. Never tell the dealer or RAM Cares that you are involving any type of legal council. They will immediately close any open support cases and cease all communication with you.

very good info. neither of them knew besides the official AG inquiry. I figured they wouldnt like that lol
 

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Just a word of advice. Never tell the dealer or RAM Cares that you are involving any type of legal council. They will immediately close any open support cases and cease all communication with you.

Like stated above, if there is the chance this issue may end up in litigation it is common for one or both of the parties to back away to ensure any statements made now don't come back to bite them.
 

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I suspect the dealership will wait until the last minute to respond hoping you will just give up. I would also think they will respond through their attorney.
 

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Are ram dealerships individually owned? Only reason I ask is because I left a bad review for a locally owned Polaris dealer. Dealer refused to work on my sxs under warranty and told me go some where else. I called Polaris and they couldn't make the dealer do anything because they are owned independently.

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Are ram dealerships individually owned? Only reason I ask is because I left a bad review for a locally owned Polaris dealer. Dealer refused to work on my sxs under warranty and told me go some where else. I called Polaris and they couldn't make the dealer do anything because they are owned independently.

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They are individually owned, but they do have some responsibilities in order keep the manufactures name.
 

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They are individually owned, but they do have some responsibilities in order keep the manufactures name.
I would of figured a Polaris dealer would have those same responsibilties but nope.

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Are ram dealerships individually owned? Only reason I ask is because I left a bad review for a locally owned Polaris dealer. Dealer refused to work on my sxs under warranty and told me go some where else. I called Polaris and they couldn't make the dealer do anything because they are owned independently.

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Polaris is a total **** show from start to finish. My experience with corporate is that they are only interested in collecting the dealer fees and could care less how a dealer treats the customer. If that dealer goes out of business, there will be another one to take the place.... This is my experience in rural Alaska.
 

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I suspect the dealership will wait until the last minute to respond hoping you will just give up. I would also think they will respond through their attorney.

Plus they'll want a full retraction, etc-etc. Just don't be afraid to call ******** on anything you or your counsel may consider to be "Excessive and Unnecessary" and then do like I've done before.

Break out the black sharpie pen and redact the parts you don't openly agree to and write in ballpoint pen on the borders just that, "Excessive and Unnecessary".

This is my experience in rural Alaska.

All over, they're like this all over, and yeah, great dealers are a rare find. Polaris is too big for it's britches and it's product quality has dropped considerably over the past 12 years. It's why I won't deal with their equipment whether for snow or dirt/sand/etc. but that's for a different thread. ;)
 
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UPDATE-

So i got some pretty upsetting and frustrating news today from the AG. So we have reached 1 month since my first time talking to the AG and them reaching out to the dealership. In general they have 1 month to respond to the initial complaint before a final notice is given. As of today the dealership has NOT responded at all. I asked the AG what happens now, what is this final notice, what if they dont respond again? She said "the final notice is a more strongly worded response, but if they chose not to respond then we can not do anything." She said at that point my only option would be to take them to small claims court at which point they would have to show up due to it being a subpoena or face legal charges.

I am beyond frustrated and im going to rant here really quick. WTF is the point of the AG and going through this whole complaint process if companies can just chose not to respond and essentially get off scott free! Like you are the fricken attorney general if someone ignores you that should be a big sign that they clearly made a mistake and are hiding from it! Now i have to (if i chose) spend money on civil court fees, an attorney, and waste my own time on this BS. When i saw that i was beyond mad. So essentially ive wasted my last month or so on nothing legit hopes and dreams!

I have decided once i get my house closed on officially and that mortgage goes through fine and everything is settled November 1st i am going to trade my truck in.
 

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Not saying this is what's happening in your case, but could be a possibility the dealership owner and AG know each other and the AG is just trying to make this "go away".

You're probably better off talking directly with an attorney at this point.
 

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Court for sure, I'd bend their ass over and shove the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act right where it belongs.


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I'll mention this again---newspaper, TV station(investigative reporters) yelp, facebook, social media. I'd also talk to the AG's office again and talk to a "lead attorney" or a "supervising attorney" and ask about their policy. What you explained is not the way the AG's Office Consumer Affairs Division works in Tx., unless they have changed their policies in the last few years.
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