Somebody needs to send this article to the head honcho's at Stelentis,lol

[Wild one]

Ford Cuts EV Investment After Losing $36,000 On Every EV Sold In Q3

Despite a 44 percent increase in EV deliveries, Ford's EV losses continued to rise in the Q3, with the company posting an operating loss of $1.3 billion.

insideevs.com

 

[crash68]

The newness "fad" of EV is wearing off and the reality of actual use problems is discouraging people from buying them. The technology for them to be used in the wide range of environments without compromising too much of what people are accustomed to with an ICE just isn't available yet, give it another 10 years provided the auto companies keep dumping cash into development.
The EV pickup is the biggest rouse that Ford and GM bought into as the next big money maker. Even the Cybertruck is having people drop reservations for buying them.

 

[GTyankee]

We may see even less sales, if we have a cold winter in New England, Maryland, Delaware

 

[Travelin Ram]

It may be they’re taking a convenient opportunity to reconsider the strategy of when and where to invest in new facilities. Could be the investors might prefer to expand future capacity in friendlier climates.

There’s bound to be some ebb and flow in new product development and marketing, nobody’s crystal ball is perfect. I noted the CEO’s recent EV road trip fiasco and thought at the time it was an incredibly stupid stunt to carry out such an ill planned and prepared demo. Thinking back, perhaps it was intentional to decrease demand for a financial black hole.

 

[KalboKalbs]

Ford Cuts EV Investment After Losing $36,000 On Every EV Sold In Q3

Despite a 44 percent increase in EV deliveries, Ford's EV losses continued to rise in the Q3, with the company posting an operating loss of $1.3 billion.

insideevs.com

Great news by me. EVs are a bad joke on consumers AND taxpayers. Nothing Green about EVs.

 

[tjfdesmo]

The government will not relent any time soon, and will probably double down on subsidies, which the woke corporations will sop up like gravy on a day old biscuit.

 

[ramffml]

The government will not relent any time soon, and will probably double down on subsidies, which the woke corporations will sop up like gravy on a day old biscuit.

Not disagreeing on increasing subsidies, but 36k is a lot of money to lose, never mind making profits like they do hand over fist with ICE trucks. I don't think there is room to subsidize that much loss though they might be able to help a bit.

 

[NCRaineman]

The government will not relent any time soon, and will probably double down on subsidies, which the woke corporations will sop up like gravy on a day old biscuit.

In the end the consumer will decide what sells and what doesn't. The govt doesn't have the $$$ to subsidize the auto market for long. Cash For Clunkers ate up three billion dollars and the best selling vehicles continue to be full size trucks.

There are several technological and infrastructure based hurdles standing in the way of EVs being desirable or practical for the masses. Until those are resolved throwing money at the automakers to build them won't help.

 

[tjfdesmo]

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I don't endorse EVs and I am against subsidies, slush funds, and bailouts of any kind. If the technology is so wonderful the consumer would need no bribery to buy it.

 

[crash68]

EV market could become the 'next big flop': Economist

Car companies falling victim to "EV mania" could see their market values be the "next big flop" to hit Wall Street – and thus, Americans' wallets, says Steve Moore.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Lsujker]

Theory, this is the American 3 creating a narrative to reduce loses from poor design. They spent an excessive amount to join the ring with the likes of Tesla only to fail. Tesla is doing fine. Ev sales are up despite the big threes poor sales. I commend them for trying but it takes years to develop any vehicle not just new technology like a BEV. I think they will lobby for reduced short term emissions demands to increase profits on ICE vehicles.

Jeep is killing it with the hybrid at 38% volume last quarter. Focus on hybrid for now. Learn the rules for networking parts and master what others have done.

 

[GTyankee]

• Electric pickups hauling trailers create a new charging station problem as many locations don’t have pull-through stations. Without the ability to charge without unhitching a trailer, adoption could suffer for those looking to use the towing capabilities of the upcoming EVs.

By the way, Electric Vehicles do not have a Transmission, so you can not shift them into Neutral.
That would mean that you can't Flat Tow them, in fact, you can't even pull them with a Wheel Tow Dolly.

When the wheels are rotating, it is Generating Electricity & that electricity has no where to go, according to Tow companies, etc.

Why can't an EV be towed?


Using a hook and chain truck, dolly, or wheel lift tow truck leaves two of the EV's wheels spinning. When an EV's wheels spin, they continuously generate power to the battery. If that power is not being used it can damage the battery and motor.

 

[Fediej]

• Electric pickups hauling trailers create a new charging station problem as many locations don’t have pull-through stations. Without the ability to charge without unhitching a trailer, adoption could suffer for those looking to use the towing capabilities of the upcoming EVs.

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By the way, Electric Vehicles do not have a Transmission, so you can not shift them into Neutral.
That would mean that you can't Flat Tow them, in fact, you can't even pull them with a Wheel Tow Dolly.

When the wheels are rotating, it is Generating Electricity & that electricity has no where to go, according to Tow companies, etc.

Why can't an EV be towed?


Using a hook and chain truck, dolly, or wheel lift tow truck leaves two of the EV's wheels spinning. When an EV's wheels spin, they continuously generate power to the battery. If that power is not being used it can damage the battery and motor.

That only applies to EVs that have motors on both axles.

 

[chri5k]

Making the enormous transition from fossil fuel vehicles to electric vehicles with no real plan is defiantly a recipe for problems. I have seen no real leadership from our supposed leaders. There has to be forethought into what the end state should be and the steps / infrastructure / technology, etc. needed to get to that end state. It means bringing together a number of industries as partners and experts to develop a realistic plan.

Instead we get half-baked unachievable mandates from posturing / virtue signaling politicians. Other than getting re-elected so they won't have to get a real job, they could give two shytes about the people they represent.

 

[chri5k]

• Electric pickups hauling trailers create a new charging station problem as many locations don’t have pull-through stations. Without the ability to charge without unhitching a trailer, adoption could suffer for those looking to use the towing capabilities of the upcoming EVs.

By the way, Electric Vehicles do not have a Transmission, so you can not shift them into Neutral.
That would mean that you can't Flat Tow them, in fact, you can't even pull them with a Wheel Tow Dolly.

When the wheels are rotating, it is Generating Electricity & that electricity has no where to go, according to Tow companies, etc.

Why can't an EV be towed?


Using a hook and chain truck, dolly, or wheel lift tow truck leaves two of the EV's wheels spinning. When an EV's wheels spin, they continuously generate power to the battery. If that power is not being used it can damage the battery and motor.

Good point on the logistics of charging an electric vehicle towing a trailer. Of course one could always do like our illustrious Energy Secretary and have minions in ICE vehicles drive ahead and block off several charging stations so one can pull their EV / trailer combo up to the charging station.

 

[GTyankee]

I wrote a comment about 6 months ago,
many people mentioned that i was mistaken.

My statement mentioned long lines at Charging Stations & irritated customers.

The long lines are happening in town & at the few charging stations along the Highways.

Everyone wants to get their 90% charge & other customers are not being patient.

What is the etiquette at EV charging stations?

Leave a note.
Many need to step away from their EVs while charging. That's perfectly acceptable. But if the charging station is bustling with electric cars, it might be a good idea to leave a note saying you made a quick pitstop and will not camp out too long.

Long lines over in the UK

 

[KalboKalbs]

Have no reason to doubt this. Last week, read, it'll take 20 charging stations for every gas pump. Not hard to believe.

Filling a gas tank, 5 maybe 10 minutes.

Fully charging an EV, an hour or longer?
- I can only imagine the fights and violence, in LONG lines, waiting for a charge. Hours waiting?

EVs are NOT ready for Prime Time. MeThinks, never will.

 

[GTyankee]

Land owners along the highways, won't want to sell their property especially in Southern California.

There is no way the Government has enough land along side of those highways, to lease the land to corporations that want to build Charging Stations.

I don't think they can declare Eminent Domain, without tying up the court system for years

 

[Lsujker]

• Electric pickups hauling trailers create a new charging station problem as many locations don’t have pull-through stations. Without the ability to charge without unhitching a trailer, adoption could suffer for those looking to use the towing capabilities of the upcoming EVs.

I had not thought of that! Good point. The status on electric truck production is smoking ashes at this point. With tests showing ranges drop to half or less, blue collar consumers are not running to the dealerships. This will more than likely be the final adopters.

Advertisements should focus on short distance commuters. Also yalls comments on cold weather. fox news is going to have a blast with that one.

 

[Scottly]

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I don't endorse EVs and I am against subsidies, slush funds, and bailouts of any kind. If the technology is so wonderful the consumer would need no bribery to buy it.

My exact argument for not supporting the arts. If the symphony can't stand on its own through ticket sales, let it fall.