Synthetic Oil

[Burla]

I couldn't find HPL on Amazon except for Royal Purple re-branded (?) HPL. @Travis8352 website = Advanced Lubricants does sell HPL, but HPL doesn't list them as an authorized dealer. Then HPL on their own site says you can buy direct. WTAF is going on, here? A bunch of engineers and chemists trying to market products?

Edit: there are two websites using HPL in different forms. The one discussed here is hplubricants.com in Illinois. The other one is HPLoil.com in Indiana. Apparently some trademark hijinks going on. The Illinois site is the one we've discussed - and Advanced Lubricants IS their nearest Distributor, as @Travis8352 noted earlier. Sorry for confusion - I hate software.

ok, I'll see, maybe they dont sell on amazon?

travis? whats below hpl?

 

[Burla]

Hemiman take the wheel man, we ran it off in the ditch.

One thing I don't prefer about HPL is the name, easily confused with redline HP line and RP.

 

[Burla]

From HPL faq section, so on point.

The more Zinc the better. True or False?
This is not always the case; there are several factors to consider when talking about Zinc (ZDDP) in motor oil.
While Zinc (ZDDP) is a good way to add anti-wear to the oil chemistry, it’s not the only available option. Most oil manufacturers choose Zinc because it’s the most cost effective way to increase anti-wear. Some forms of Moly offer superior protection over ZDDP and are a great substitute. Therefore, using Moly in conjunction with ZDDP is a far more expensive method to create anti-wear. HPL synthetic oil is engineered using a perfect balance between Zinc, Moly and detergents regardless of the cost. Offering a superior protection is our #1 priority.

 

[Travis8352]

ok, I'll see, maybe they dont sell on amazon?

travis? whats below hpl?

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I believe they also blend that oil but that one i dont know anything about. I think its an older formulation

 

[Rod Knock]

Watching this unfold is painful. My brain hurts.

 

[Burla]

I believe they also blend that oil but that one i dont know anything about. I think its an older formulation

they also sell on ebay, fleet oil which is also synthetic is only 135 bucks a case.

HPL Synthetic Fleet Motor Oil 5W30 Case of 12 Quarts

 

[Rod Knock]

I sent them a note asking to summarize differences between their 4 gasoline engine oils (sans euro).

It's explained in plain English on the website, under each product group.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I'm working on this behind the scenes too - will post if I know more. Done enough babbling. Thanks to you guys for putting out the word.

 

[Travis8352]

Just found this thread. I ordered their "Standard" PCMO 5W20 for my 2020 5.7 etorque since the additive strategy is the same across the Standard/Premium/Premium Plus lines. Supposedly all of their oils are long-drain capable. At least according to HPL, the main advantage of the Premium Plus (vs. Standard) is the cold-temp performance of the PAO....which I do not need for my climate. So I saved the $4.37/qt ($11.38 vs $15.61 shipped) and went with their Standard 5W20.

Yes! They actually say their longest drain oils are group 3 with ester and ANs! Their 10w20 is intriguing for someone not needing cold temp performance! 8cst high quality group 3 with ester and AN and zero VIIs!

 

[Rod Knock]

 

[Burla]

Yeah a lot of 5w20's no vii's such is the case with redline-per dave. I would be more surprised if 10w20 had vii's.

 

[Rod Knock]

Yeah a lot of 5w20's no vii's such is the case with redline.

You need to use VII to get to a 5W winter rating. Otherwise, the conclusion you arrived at is nothing short of brilliant.

 

[Hemi395]

I couldn't find HPL on Amazon except for Royal Purple re-branded (?) HPL. @Travis8352 website = Advanced Lubricants does sell HPL, but HPL doesn't list them as an authorized dealer. Then HPL on their own site says you can buy direct. WTAF is going on, here? A bunch of engineers and chemists trying to market products?

Edit: there are two websites using HPL in different forms. The one discussed here is hplubricants.com in Illinois. The other one is HPLoil.com in Indiana. Apparently some trademark hijinks going on. The Illinois site is the one we've discussed - and Advanced Lubricants IS their nearest Distributor, as @Travis8352 noted earlier. Sorry for confusion - I hate software.

So this is the correct oil?

Passenger Car Engine Oil

High Performance Lubricants’ passenger car engine oil is a multi-synthetic high performance motor oil made with the best choices of additive chemistry. Oils formulated with specifically chosen esters can help to minimize intake valve deposits, maintain clean engines and provide elastomer...

www.advlubrication.com

 

[Rod Knock]

So this is the correct oil?

That's one of them. I run the Premium Plus in my wife's Jeep. The Super Car 0W-20, 0W-30, and 0W-40 are fantastic options for the HEMI!

PM me if you have any questions.

 

[Travis8352]

So this is the correct oil?

Passenger Car Engine Oil

High Performance Lubricants’ passenger car engine oil is a multi-synthetic high performance motor oil made with the best choices of additive chemistry. Oils formulated with specifically chosen esters can help to minimize intake valve deposits, maintain clean engines and provide elastomer...

www.advlubrication.com

Premium Plus Passenger Car Engine Oil

High Performance Lubricants’ Premium Plus passenger car engine oil is a multi-synthetic high performance motor oil made with the best choices of additive chemistry. When compared with our other PCMO product lines this series takes advantage of high quality PAO delivering superb pour points as...

www.advlubrication.com

This is their PAO/POE/AN version with the same ad pack. The one you posted is group 3/POE/AN

 

[Burla]

Great uoa on HPL with durango and fram ultra, you can see when the wear starts increasing exponentially.

At 15k miles and under the wear was very low, the last 10k miles were hard on wear. Lots of CA, so it will take some effort in identifying the different applications and formulas.

 

[Burla]

See tbn decrease and viscosity increase with every test same oil, 5w20 not only doesn't shear any vii's cause it doesnt have any, but increases in viscosity. First test 5k miles, last test 25k miles and he tested about every 5k miles or give and take. Compare that to the 0w40 I posted a few pages back. At 26k mile interval, 5w20 is thicker then 0w40? lol..?

Fluid Condition
TBN	12.3	7.3	5.05	3.985	2.85
Viscosity	8.8	9.1	9.4	9.56	10.6

 

[Rod Knock]

 

[Travis8352]

See tbn decrease and viscosity increase with every test same oil, 5w20 not only doesn't shear any vii's cause it doesnt have any, but increases in viscosity. First test 5k miles, last test 25k miles and he tested about every 5k miles or give and take. Compare that to the 0w40 I posted a few pages back. At 26k mile interval, 5w20 is thicker then 0w40? lol..?

Fluid Condition
TBN	12.3	7.3	5.05	3.985	2.85
Viscosity	8.8	9.1	9.4	9.56	10.6

That oil was their 5w20 HDEO based on a CI-4 add pack and they make their improvements on that. Not sure on base oil composition myself. The oil did rather well. It may have best been changed after the 3rd uoa that was done. HPL stated that this was their best oil in 2019 and they have made big improvements to their additive chemistry since then

Also quite impressive this was nearly a 2 year interval!!

 

[The Critic]

So this is the correct oil?

Passenger Car Engine Oil

High Performance Lubricants’ passenger car engine oil is a multi-synthetic high performance motor oil made with the best choices of additive chemistry. Oils formulated with specifically chosen esters can help to minimize intake valve deposits, maintain clean engines and provide elastomer...

www.advlubrication.com

Yes. There's a 15% off coupon floating around on that other oil site. At least for me in CA, ordering two 4-gal cases was the "sweet spot" due to the cost of shipping.