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So I'm really looking seriously at an extended warranty but reading through the contracts I've seen I keep seeing language that makes me question whether these warranties actually cover anything.
This one in particular is only a drivetrain warranty;

Definitions..
Mechanical Breakdown: The inability of any covered part(s) or component(s) to perform the function(s) for which it was designed due to defects in material or
workmanship. The manufacturer has established tolerances for the express purpose of defining mechanical breakdown and serviceability; when specifications exceed
these manufacturer’s tolerances, a mechanical breakdown will be considered to have occurred.


This Agreement does not provide coverage for:
1. Reimbursement for any repair or replacement made without prior authorization from Administrator to Licensed Repair Facility.
2. Any repair for the purpose of correcting engine compression, correcting oil consumption, or the gradual reduction of performance when a Mechanical
Breakdown has not occurred. Valve grinding, burnt valves, stuck valves, burnt piston, and/orstuck rings are not covered.
3. Damage caused by pre-ignition detonation, pinging, improper/contaminated fuel, excessive fuel conditions, lean fuel conditions, clogged fuel injectors,
improper lubricants or improper engine adjustments. Any Mechanical Breakdown caused by failure to maintain proper levels of lubrication, lubricant
blockage, coolant blockage, lack of lubrication, or carbon buildup in cylinders.
4. Loss of time, expense, storage charges, loss of use of Vehicle, loss of profits, loss of income, or other consequential damages, including, but not limited to
loss or damage or injury to persons or property resulting from Mechanical Breakdown of any of the covered parts.
5. Any repair that has been misdiagnosed by the Licensed Repair Facility, any failure that cannot be verified as accurate or is found to be inaccurate, or any
failure related to a previousrepair.
6. Accidental loss or damage, physical damage, collision or upset, falling missiles or objects, fire, theft, larceny, hail, explosion, lightning, earthquake,
windstorm, water, flood, malicious mischief, vandalism, riot, civil commotion, negligence, or misuse.
7. Any Mechanical Breakdown caused by rust, residue, electrolysis or corrosion.
8. Nuts, bolts, or fasteners unless internally lubricated.
9. Any pre-existing condition, any component(s) that were not functioning properly at the time the Vehicle was delivered to the Agreement Holder, or
failures which occurred prior to the Effective Date of this Agreement.
10. Repairsto seized or damaged parts due to operation withoutsufficient oil or coolant.
11. Engine block and cylinder heads if damaged by overheating, freezing, or warpage.
12. Any Vehicle that has been issued a restricted title, including but not limited to: salvage/refundable, salvage theft, assembled, dismantled, scrap, fire,
flood, physical damage, saltwater, frame change, motor change, body exchange, junk or parts only, or if said vehicle is declared a “lemon.”
13. A Mechanical Breakdown of a covered component/part caused by an Agreement Holder’s refusal to perform reasonable repairs recommended by the
dealer, Licensed Repair Facility, orAdministrator.
14. Damage to a non-covered part by a covered part is also excluded.
15. Replacement of maintenance items. Spark plugs, glow plugs, PCV valves, PCV system, filters, lubricants, thermostat housing, thermostats, alignments,
coolants, batteries (except for high-voltage drive batteries used in vehicles powered solely by an electric motor), battery cable, fuses, hoses, belts, tires,
wheels, wheel covers, tire pressure sensors, light bulbs,sealed beams, light assemblies, LED lighting, lenses, seat belt systems, exhaust systems /catalytic
converters, brake rotors, brake drums, brake shoes, brake pads, speakers, upholstery, paint, glass, trim, moldings, weather strip/seals, door handles, lift
gate handles, tailgate handles, door bushings / bearings, body panels, frame/body bushings, sheet metal, bumpers, frames, sub-frames, brackets,
convertible top assemblies, vinyl top, rust, corrosion, water intrusion, water damage, water leaks, air leaks, carburetors, manual clutch system,
programming, reprogramming, or updating a component that has not mechanically failed. Any equipment not installed by the manufacturer.
16. Commercial Use Vehicles (unless Commercial Use Option has been selected and paid for by the Agreement Holder).
17. Snow Removal Equipment, and/or Vehicles using Snow Removal Equipment.
18. Any Vehicle modified or altered from original manufacturerspecification not approved by the manufacturer. Any alterations made to YourVehicle or You
are using Your Vehicle in a manner not recommended by the manufacturer including but not limited to: Failure of any custom or add-on part, all frame or
suspension modifications, lift kits (unless appropriate lift kit option is indicated on Application Page), any tire that is not recommended by the original

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manufacturer, emissions and/or exhaust systems modifications, engine modifications, transmission modifications, and/or drive axle modifications.
Conversion van components, and conversion vehicle components.
19. Diagnostic or tear down time when a Mechanical Breakdown is not covered by the Agreement. Any cost incurred for disassembly or diagnosis is at Your
expense if the inspection determines that the Mechanical Breakdown was not caused by the failure of a part covered by this Agreement.
20. Mechanical Breakdown or failure costs that should be covered by a manufacturer’s warranty, recall, factory bulletin, or any other mechanical breakdown
coverage. Mechanical Breakdown or failure costs that are covered by the warranty of parts or workmanship on a previously repaired or replaced
component.
21. Any Mechanical Breakdown or failure occurring outside of the United States or Canada.
22. Shop supplies or fees for items such as, but not limited to, shop towels, cleaners, silicone spray, brake cleaner, or disposal fees for oil or filters.

Maybe it's just me but it seems like this only covers breakdowns caused by defects and all these clauses gets them out of covering breakdowns, am I wrong?
 

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Maybe it's just me but it seems like this only covers breakdowns caused by defects and all these clauses gets them out of covering breakdowns, am I wrong?

No.

Warranty companies are basically, insurance companies. They exist to make money. In the long term, their customers pay In more than the warranty company pays out. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a profitable business and that company would be doing something else.

Live well below your means and save/invest the difference.

When you have an emergency fund = to or > the price of a replacement truck, you will be your own warranty company. You can decide for yourself when to repair vs replace, and the difference between paid-in vs paid-out, is YOUR profit instead of theirs.


Those are my thoughts on warranties.

That's what I do. I've found that the older you get, the less nice stuff you want, and the faster and bigger the emergency fund grows. Then someday you'll die, and your grandkids will spend it on hookers, blow and a new Ferrari.
 
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Seems pretty standard language to me. What other breakdowns would there be if not due to a defective part? Wear and tear is not typically covered by any extended warranty.
The issue I have with the language is that they could always state the breakdown was due to wear and tear and then not cover it. Sure I could easily pay for a new motor or transmission out of pocket but I really don't want to, I'd prefer a warranty that covers me for that. However, if that warranty is just going to tell me to **** off then I'd rather hold my cash and risk it I guess...
 

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The issue I have with the language is that they could always state the breakdown was due to wear and tear and then not cover it. Sure I could easily pay for a new motor or transmission out of pocket but I really don't want to, I'd prefer a warranty that covers me for that. However, if that warranty is just going to tell me to **** off then I'd rather hold my cash and risk it I guess...
Perhaps reach out to @GrangerMotors here on our Forum.
They are a Supporting Vendor and a trusted source for MOPAR extended warranties.
 

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My truck is a 2016 and I don't think they go back that far..

Have you asked them?

They cover much older vehicles than I would have guessed. The question is free. :cool:

2015 and newer, less than 80K miles.



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Update;
It looks like they started at 2015+ but then updated that to 2020+ for Ram trucks.
Sorry, OP. This is no longer an option.

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You’re going to pay far more for this warranty then you will for fixing the vehicle yourself should something fail. The warranty fine print lists a lot of things that need to happen between it, you, and the repair facility before the repair even takes place, during and after the repair, too. You’ve got a 9 year old truck… I’d hazard a guess that there are some things that are wearing out. They won’t cover those.

Hopefully you’ve been doing all the oil changes, and other fluid changes, at half the mileage/time recommendations that the manual says with fluids of much higher quality all while having a $5k slush fund for emergency repairs. Keeping some known wear parts on a shelf in the garage will serve you better as well. That’s the warranty you should have.

IMO, you’re going to spend a lot of money on an easily denied warranty for which you won’t sleep better at night.
 
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My truck is a 2016 and I don't think they go back that da
Perhaps reach out to @GrangerMotors here on our Forum.
They are a Supporting Vendor and a trusted source for MOPAR extended warranties

You’re going to pay far more for this warranty then you will for fixing the vehicle yourself should something fail. The warranty fine print lists a lot of things that need to happen between it, you, and the repair facility before the repair even takes place, during and after the repair, too. You’ve got a 9 year old truck… I’d hazard a guess that there are some things that are wearing out. They won’t cover those.

Hopefully you’ve been doing all the oil changes, and other fluid changes, at half the mileage/time recommendations that the manual says with fluids of much higher quality all while having a $5k slush fund for emergency repairs. Keeping some known wear parts on a shelf in the garage will serve you better as well. That’s the warranty you should have.

IMO, you’re going to spend a lot of money on an easily denied warranty for which you won’t sleep better at night.
So actually, I just picked this truck and up and paid cash for it. It also only has 56k miles and is in immaculate condition which is why I went this way vs a new truck for $60k.
I have no way of knowing how well it's been taken care of but I do know it's had 3 other owners over the last 9yrs which in Utah is pretty normal. The warranty I was looking at was $1700 for 3/36,000 and drivetrain only, pretty decent deal in the even that a trans or motor fails but that fine print makes it sound a lot like they won't cover squat because it can always fall under some clause that gets them out of it.
 

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MOPAR Used Vehicle Warranties
is what i recently purchased

I bought my 2016 Ram as a Factory Order
I had the original 3 year bumper to bumper
then a 7 year extended warranty, it was about to expire, so i purchased the
MOPAR Used Vehicle Warranty
There are multi year plans

There are 2 discount warranties online

Granger & Ziegler, the local dealerships are way higher in price

GrangerMotors​


Zeigler Mopar Warranties
 
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I have owned 4 new vehicles in my whole life a 1994 Ram V10 2500 standard cab that I sold in late 1995 to order, a 1996 Ram 2500 V10 with the club cab and now two which were bought when Covid made factory ordered new cheaper than used. I have owned more than 200 used vehicles over the years. My 1996 Ram was originally used for work, the company put and extended warranty on it. Turned out it was totally useless, company went broke 2 years into the contract. Good thing is I never had anything to claim on it. Still have the 96, see picture below.

I have never had an extended warranty on anything else until we got the 2020 Grand Cherokee with the 5.7. Up till now I have never done a transmission, motor, differentials etc. Pretty much just normal brakes, rotors, tie rods etc. My vehicles are all well maintained and each has a log book in it to record all maintenance, repairs and fuel consumption as I need that for tax.

Many of the vehicles I owned had over 250,000 miles on them when I sold them, they were all still running fine. I have saved a ton of money not buying extended warranty. Enough to replace at least two or three vehicles completely.
 
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Many of the vehicles I owned had over 250,000 miles on them when I sold them, they were all still running fine. I have saved a ton of money not buying extended warranty. Enough to replace at least two or three vehicles completely.
And yet if you pay much attention to this forum it's been made pretty clear the the 66RFE is a time bomb and the vast majority of them implode on themselves along with the HVAC system plugging up the heater core...
 

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So I'm really looking seriously at an extended warranty but reading through the contracts I've seen I keep seeing language that makes me question whether these warranties actually cover anything.
This one in particular is only a drivetrain warranty;

Definitions..
Mechanical Breakdown: The inability of any covered part(s) or component(s) to perform the function(s) for which it was designed due to defects in material or
workmanship. The manufacturer has established tolerances for the express purpose of defining mechanical breakdown and serviceability; when specifications exceed
these manufacturer’s tolerances, a mechanical breakdown will be considered to have occurred.


This Agreement does not provide coverage for:
1. Reimbursement for any repair or replacement made without prior authorization from Administrator to Licensed Repair Facility.
2. Any repair for the purpose of correcting engine compression, correcting oil consumption, or the gradual reduction of performance when a Mechanical
Breakdown has not occurred. Valve grinding, burnt valves, stuck valves, burnt piston, and/orstuck rings are not covered.
3. Damage caused by pre-ignition detonation, pinging, improper/contaminated fuel, excessive fuel conditions, lean fuel conditions, clogged fuel injectors,
improper lubricants or improper engine adjustments. Any Mechanical Breakdown caused by failure to maintain proper levels of lubrication, lubricant
blockage, coolant blockage, lack of lubrication, or carbon buildup in cylinders.
4. Loss of time, expense, storage charges, loss of use of Vehicle, loss of profits, loss of income, or other consequential damages, including, but not limited to
loss or damage or injury to persons or property resulting from Mechanical Breakdown of any of the covered parts.
5. Any repair that has been misdiagnosed by the Licensed Repair Facility, any failure that cannot be verified as accurate or is found to be inaccurate, or any
failure related to a previousrepair.
6. Accidental loss or damage, physical damage, collision or upset, falling missiles or objects, fire, theft, larceny, hail, explosion, lightning, earthquake,
windstorm, water, flood, malicious mischief, vandalism, riot, civil commotion, negligence, or misuse.
7. Any Mechanical Breakdown caused by rust, residue, electrolysis or corrosion.
8. Nuts, bolts, or fasteners unless internally lubricated.
9. Any pre-existing condition, any component(s) that were not functioning properly at the time the Vehicle was delivered to the Agreement Holder, or
failures which occurred prior to the Effective Date of this Agreement.
10. Repairsto seized or damaged parts due to operation withoutsufficient oil or coolant.
11. Engine block and cylinder heads if damaged by overheating, freezing, or warpage.
12. Any Vehicle that has been issued a restricted title, including but not limited to: salvage/refundable, salvage theft, assembled, dismantled, scrap, fire,
flood, physical damage, saltwater, frame change, motor change, body exchange, junk or parts only, or if said vehicle is declared a “lemon.”
13. A Mechanical Breakdown of a covered component/part caused by an Agreement Holder’s refusal to perform reasonable repairs recommended by the
dealer, Licensed Repair Facility, orAdministrator.
14. Damage to a non-covered part by a covered part is also excluded.
15. Replacement of maintenance items. Spark plugs, glow plugs, PCV valves, PCV system, filters, lubricants, thermostat housing, thermostats, alignments,
coolants, batteries (except for high-voltage drive batteries used in vehicles powered solely by an electric motor), battery cable, fuses, hoses, belts, tires,
wheels, wheel covers, tire pressure sensors, light bulbs,sealed beams, light assemblies, LED lighting, lenses, seat belt systems, exhaust systems /catalytic
converters, brake rotors, brake drums, brake shoes, brake pads, speakers, upholstery, paint, glass, trim, moldings, weather strip/seals, door handles, lift
gate handles, tailgate handles, door bushings / bearings, body panels, frame/body bushings, sheet metal, bumpers, frames, sub-frames, brackets,
convertible top assemblies, vinyl top, rust, corrosion, water intrusion, water damage, water leaks, air leaks, carburetors, manual clutch system,
programming, reprogramming, or updating a component that has not mechanically failed. Any equipment not installed by the manufacturer.
16. Commercial Use Vehicles (unless Commercial Use Option has been selected and paid for by the Agreement Holder).
17. Snow Removal Equipment, and/or Vehicles using Snow Removal Equipment.
18. Any Vehicle modified or altered from original manufacturerspecification not approved by the manufacturer. Any alterations made to YourVehicle or You
are using Your Vehicle in a manner not recommended by the manufacturer including but not limited to: Failure of any custom or add-on part, all frame or
suspension modifications, lift kits (unless appropriate lift kit option is indicated on Application Page), any tire that is not recommended by the original

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manufacturer, emissions and/or exhaust systems modifications, engine modifications, transmission modifications, and/or drive axle modifications.
Conversion van components, and conversion vehicle components.
19. Diagnostic or tear down time when a Mechanical Breakdown is not covered by the Agreement. Any cost incurred for disassembly or diagnosis is at Your
expense if the inspection determines that the Mechanical Breakdown was not caused by the failure of a part covered by this Agreement.
20. Mechanical Breakdown or failure costs that should be covered by a manufacturer’s warranty, recall, factory bulletin, or any other mechanical breakdown
coverage. Mechanical Breakdown or failure costs that are covered by the warranty of parts or workmanship on a previously repaired or replaced
component.
21. Any Mechanical Breakdown or failure occurring outside of the United States or Canada.
22. Shop supplies or fees for items such as, but not limited to, shop towels, cleaners, silicone spray, brake cleaner, or disposal fees for oil or filters.

Maybe it's just me but it seems like this only covers breakdowns caused by defects and all these clauses gets them out of covering breakdowns, am I wrong?
If you can buy a service contract (warranty to some) buy a factory backed deal. They are the best to deal with most of the time. The after market deals first try to get out of paying and if they can't they will cheap out on the repair. I had a factory extended on my truck and when I had a problem there was never an issue, it got fixed.
 

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Did you read what they wont cover list? Just the pre existing condition gives them an out on nearly anything. Scratches the surface, that warranty is about useless.
 

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With all of Mopars financial problems they have gone to the delay, deny disappear route on warranty that used to only apply to the private warranties. Just read the threads on here about guys being without their vehicles for months waiting for diagnosis, approval of repair and parts. At least with cash you can pick who fixes it and where the parts come from.
 

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You can always go third party as well. Some people get warranties and get more than their money's worth. But as stated at the top of this thread the intent is to make money and the automotive company knows they will pay out less than they charge. I am a never-buy-one person, put a few bucks in a savings account each month and if you don't need it, there it is as a down payment for your next truck.
 
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