Upgrading my 2015 EcoDiesel, Hemi or Hurricane?

[Burla]

You have to give them some credit, sell a ridiculous lie over telling you like it is, we wanted to mandate e torque and you guys were supposed to not only be impressed but grateful for e torque. We even put a protest badge on it, what the hay is wrong with you finicky hemi consumers? You guys are pizing us off so hard we will soon mandate you have to buy our stuff and like it. Yeah, that's not how this works. Real sad part, soon we will have mandate kill switches and all that mess in every vehicle, so they missed a window where w/o e-torque they could have had a really really valuable truck.

Wanna see some eye opening stuff? Look at this historical profits, should not toy with us, bring back the hemi or soon to commit financial suicide. Look at monthly sales since 2024, broke 40k units few times when every other year always much higher, Ram dead on the vine since 2024, kill the hemi we kill you back. I have news for you, shares are one thing sales are another, cant hide behind EV, the truth is Rams aren't selling.



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[GeauxinUp]

You have to give them some credit, sell a ridiculous lie over telling you like it is, we wanted to mandate e torque and you guys were supposed to not only be impressed but grateful for e torque. We even put a protest badge on it, what the hay is wrong with you finicky hemi consumers? You guys are pizing us off so hard we will soon mandate you have to buy our stuff and like it. Yeah, that's not how this works. Real sad part, soon we will have mandate kill switches and all that mess in every vehicle, so they missed a window where w/o e-torque they could have had a really really valuable truck.

Wanna see some eye opening stuff? Look at this historical profits, should not toy with us, bring back the hemi or soon to commit financial suicide. Look at monthly sales since 2024, broke 40k units few times when every other year always much higher, Ram dead on the vine since 2024, kill the hemi we kill you back. I have news for you, shares are one thing sales are another, cant hide behind EV, the truth is Rams aren't selling.

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I don't disagree at all...I wonder what peoples thoughts would be if they introduced a new V8 (not a hemi).

 

[ramffml]

I don't disagree at all...I wonder what peoples thoughts would be if they introduced a new V8 (not a hemi).

It's all in the details. Rumour was that they were working on a smaller v8 before the euro dude shelved that idea along with killing the hemi back then.

Nice thing about the hemi is its ancient design (yes, I'm serious), the same kind of design you find in the heavy duty gassers. Cast iron block included. All other v8s are aluminum which are better suited for performance and less suited for heavy duty cycles.

I'd love to see a new v8 offered, but I fear it would be some super modern thing made from plastic and held together by rope with even more gimmicks and crazy stuff to get that last 0.005 mpg out of it.

 

[olyelr]

Well, I was using AI to search the interweb for reasons behind the use of eTorque on the Hemi for 26MY, It appears the new Can bus Atlantis would not communicate with the Hemi without the eTorque system yet. below is what I found while searching.

I want to know why Ram used the eTorque system on the 26 Ram with Hemi

Ram used the eTorque system on the 2026 Hemi because it was the fastest way to integrate the engine with the truck's new Atlantis electrical architecture.
When the Hemi was originally discontinued for the 2025 model year, it was not part of the initial plan for the new high-tech electrical system used in modern Ram 1500s. Integrating the Hemi into this architecture required complex software and hardware updates for 13 different electrical modules to ensure they could communicate correctly with the truck’s backbone.
5th Gen Rams +1
The key reasons for including eTorque in this 2026 reintroduction include:

• Engineering Speed: Adapting the 5.7L Hemi V8 to the Atlantis architecture was expected to take 18 months. By using the existing eTorque hardware, which was already designed to work with these electrical systems, a specialized engineering team (codenamed "F-15") was able to cut that development time down to just six months.

I understand the Hemi was not built for Atlantis architecture, could Ram be working on the adaptation of the non eTorque Hemi for the future Ram models with Hemi?

Yes, recent reports and industry leaks suggest that Ram is actively working to expand Hemi options for the future, including a potential non-eTorque version for 2027.
While the 2026 reintroduction required the eTorque system to quickly bridge the gap with the new Atlantis architecture, Ram is reportedly developing a more permanent adaptation. According to leaked production timelines, a 5.7L Hemi without eTorque is expected to enter production around September 28, 2026, as part of the 2027 model year.
Here is why and how this transition is happening:

• Long-Term Integration: The "F-15" engineering team used the eTorque Hemi for 2026 because it was already "digitally compatible," allowing them to launch the engine in just six months. A non-eTorque version requires more extensive software re-coding for those 13 critical electrical modules to work without the hybrid motor-generator.

I bet they are working to upgrade the Hemi to work directly with the Atlantis Can architecture and I think I am on the wait and see bus.

Hmmmmm. I dont know about that.

If the hemi “couldnt work” with the new electrical system without the e torque, how did they just magically slip one into the durango without e torque?

 

[Burla]

I don't disagree at all...I wonder what peoples thoughts would be if they introduced a new V8 (not a hemi).

I'd dig it personally, my favorite engine was the 351w because I didn't need the HP, I'd rather have reliability. Now, I'd need them to clone a older known v8 and not do something complicated. I would say the one downside of the 351 Ford were poor fuel mileage, so I might appreciate a HP fuel system and the 8 speed. Everything is up in the air if you ask me, sales keep going the way they been going for 2 years they wont be in business.

 

[Jimmy07]

Hmmmmm. I dont know about that.

If the hemi “couldnt work” with the new electrical system without the e torque, how did they just magically slip one into the durango without e torque?

Durango is still on the same old PowerNet CAN architecture as it’s always been, not the new Atlantis architecture.
But, either way, it would take them about a day to make a PCM calibration minus e-torque for the Atlantis architecture.

 

[ramffml]

Durango is still on the same old PowerNet CAN architecture as it’s always been, not the new Atlantis architecture.
But, either way, it would take them about a day to make a PCM calibration minus e-torque for the Atlantis architecture.

Exactly. I don't trust the new CEO that much either, he says things that sound very wrong (like no demand for 6.4 in the 1500? Does he live under a rock)

 

[mikeru]

I'd get a slightly used 2024 non e torque hemi. But if it has to be new, you have to have a hurricane, hopefully that ten year warranty holds. A couple issues yes, but in my opinion it has a good roll out for a new engine. And trust me I am anti di turbo, but the RAM seams to have a good one. Anyone who buys an e torque gets a rude awakening if it needs parts. You have to ask yourself why they are removing from other engines but force this garbage on the hemi. And I think it has a couple years less on warranty that item.

You won’t find that. Non etorque Hemi engines weren’t available after the 2022 model year, so there are no slightly used 2024 models available without etorque.

 

[Burla]

You won’t find that. Non etorque Hemi engines weren’t available after the 2022 model year, so there are no slightly used 2024 models available without etorque.

I thought classic? I could be wrong.

 

[mikeru]

I thought classic? I could be wrong.

Oh, right. Yes, you can find those lol. I wasn’t thinking about the 1500 Classic.

 

[Farmer Fran]

You have to give them some credit, sell a ridiculous lie over telling you like it is, we wanted to mandate e torque and you guys were supposed to not only be impressed but grateful for e torque. We even put a protest badge on it, what the hay is wrong with you finicky hemi consumers? You guys are pizing us off so hard we will soon mandate you have to buy our stuff and like it. Yeah, that's not how this works. Real sad part, soon we will have mandate kill switches and all that mess in every vehicle, so they missed a window where w/o e-torque they could have had a really really valuable truck.

Wanna see some eye opening stuff? Look at this historical profits, should not toy with us, bring back the hemi or soon to commit financial suicide. Look at monthly sales since 2024, broke 40k units few times when every other year always much higher, Ram dead on the vine since 2024, kill the hemi we kill you back. I have news for you, shares are one thing sales are another, cant hide behind EV, the truth is Rams aren't selling.

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Trucks in general are not selling

 

[Burla]

Trucks in general are not selling

2025 sales, RAM not only lost 2nd place, now even GM sales more.

1/2 ton segment based on 2025 data:

• Ford F-150 (F-Series): 828,832 total units sold, an 8.3% increase over 2024.
• Chevrolet Silverado 1500: 362,997 light-duty units sold, a 1.2% increase.
• Ram 1500 (Light Duty): 204,139 units sold, a 9% increase.
• GMC Sierra 1500: 230,156 light-duty units sold, a 7.1% increase.
• Toyota Tundra: 147,610 total units sold (all 1/2 ton), a 7.5% decrease.

This place shows similar numbers but RAM in third, guess the first one only included 1500. But still, downward trend on some brands and not others.

 

[ramffml]

2025 sales, RAM not only lost 2nd place, now even GM sales more.

1/2 ton segment based on 2025 data:

• Ford F-150 (F-Series): 828,832 total units sold, an 8.3% increase over 2024.
• Chevrolet Silverado 1500: 362,997 light-duty units sold, a 1.2% increase.
• Ram 1500 (Light Duty): 204,139 units sold, a 9% increase.
• GMC Sierra 1500: 230,156 light-duty units sold, a 7.1% increase.
• Toyota Tundra: 147,610 total units sold (all 1/2 ton), a 7.5% decrease.

This place shows similar numbers but RAM in third, guess the first one only included 1500. But still, downward trend on some brands and not others.

Ram was never in second place...

 

[Burla]

Ram was never in second place...

uh, yes they were if you separate gm/chevy

2019 U.S. Pickup Truck Sales by Brand/Model
The following table outlines the sales performance of major pickup truck brands and models for the full year of 2019.

Brand/Model	2019 Units Sold	Performance Note
Ford F-Series	896,526	Top seller overall
Ram Pickup	633,694	18% growth
Chevrolet Silverado	575,639	2.5% decrease
GMC Sierra	232,323	5.8% increase
Toyota Tacoma	248,801	Best-selling midsize truck

 

[ramffml]

uh, yes they were if you separate gm/chevy

2019 U.S. Pickup Truck Sales by Brand/Model
The following table outlines the sales performance of major pickup truck brands and models for the full year of 2019.

Brand/Model	2019 Units Sold	Performance Note
Ford F-Series	896,526	Top seller overall
Ram Pickup	633,694	18% growth
Chevrolet Silverado	575,639	2.5% decrease
GMC Sierra	232,323	5.8% increase
Toyota Tacoma	248,801	Best-selling midsize truck

You can't separate them, it's the same truck; same engines, same transmission, same frames, same electronics; literally all the same except for styling and feature differences which are the same type of differences you'd find on (say) a bighorn vs laramie or LT vs LTZ: in other words, the difference between GM and Chevy are basically the type of differences that distinguish one trim from another.

Ford tries to play that game by saying "F series is best selling" and then putting all their F trucks (F150 - F650 or whatever it is) into the group. All GM needs to do is create a marketing label like "G series", put both chevy and gmc inside the G group and miracle of miracles "G series is now best selling".

Marketing is full of lies, but GM has been best selling since 2019, Ford behind them, and Ram always third.

 

[Burla]

ok Then your right RAM never was number 2.

But ram's numbers are almost 1/2 of what they were in 2019, while the other two are killing it despite some internal debacles such as the lightening. What happened in 2012? RAM went full euro as opposed to 1/2 euro fca


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[ramffml]

ok Then your right RAM never was number 2.

But ram's numbers are almost 1/2 of what they were in 2019, while the other two are killing it despite some internal debacles such as the lightening. What happened in 2012? RAM went full euro as opposed to 1/2 euro fca


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Agree, they went loopy for a while there jacking up prices and killing the hemi. Tim K also made the claim that they had the "wrong trucks" on the lot, building trims that most people didn't want. Not sure how much to believe that, like a bunch of dealers know their market for years and then suddenly start placing orders for different stuff that no one wants? Find that hard to believe. They also killed the best deal in the market (ram classic) so that couldn't have helped recent sales numbers either.

 

[suicideking]

If I was buying right now I’d probably opt for an F150 with the 5.0 v8. If you can wait for next year’s models to come out there are rumors that Ram will be offering the non-etorque Hemi for 2027. I don’t know if that’s actually happening or not but if so that news should be come out in the next few months if it’s true.

If my truck got totaled or stolen, I don't think I would buy either the Hemi or the Hurricane. Both seem to have different problems. My previous truck was an '18 F150. I didn't have it for long, but it never had a single problem. Change the oil and keep driving. MY '23 Ram on the other hand, has been to the dealer 5 times, 3 check engine lights at 16K miles. Mostly minor issues, but not a fan of having to bring it in for service regularly. Last one was E-torque related and was a minor issue (supposedly a flash update needed).

So with my current knowledge of both the Hemi with E-torque vs. Hurricane, if I needed a truck right now, probably an F150. I like the looks of the Ram more and prefer the ride quality. Being a gambler, just wouldn't put money on either Ram option being reliable long term.

Above mentioned the Classic. If it doesn't have E-torque and has some decent options available, that might be a good option.

When I bought my '23, Chevy was having engine AND trans problems, so was eliminated. Tundra didn't have any major problems, but many QA problems. Rattling, noisy windshields, etc. Plus I couldn't get over the look, mostly the front end. When it was time to make a decision, my wife by chance ended up with a '23 F150 rental car for a few weeks. Drove that quite a bit unbiased. Ended up with the Ram because it was a smoother ride and looked better.

 

[crash68]

I wonder what peoples thoughts would be if they introduced a new V8 (not a hemi).

Considering that "Hemi" when referring to the 5.7L, it's a marketing name not an actual hemispherical combustion chamber design from back in the 70s
Ram can slap the Hemi badging on am V8 for sale purposes.
Maybe they redesign the 5.7 to use an actual hemispherical design or modify the 6.4 HD engine for the half ton trucks

 

[olyelr]

Trucks in general are not selling

Nearly a half million trucks in the first quarter of 2026…trucks seem to be selling to me.