Upgrading my 2015 EcoDiesel, Hemi or Hurricane?

[MikeC725]

I'm looking at selling my 2015 RAM EcoDiesel. It's been a Great truck. My driving habits have changed, so having the diesel doesn't make sense anymore, as I only drive 2.5 miles one way to work now. I'm looking at RAM 1500's in either Rebel, Limited or RHO trims. Which engine is better and why? And yes I know the RHO only comes with the Hurricane. Two features of my truck I love are the RAM box and 4 corner air suspension (not available on RHO). What are the problems with Etorque and are there any problems with the Hurricane motor?

Thanks in Advance!
Mike

 

[mikeru]

I would avoid the etorque Hemi. There are plenty of threads talking about the issues with etorque if you do a little bit of searching. Basically, it’s the lack of replacement parts that is the biggest issue with the system. If any of the major components needs to be replaced it could be weeks or months before that happens.

If I was buying right now I’d probably opt for an F150 with the 5.0 v8. If you can wait for next year’s models to come out there are rumors that Ram will be offering the non-etorque Hemi for 2027. I don’t know if that’s actually happening or not but if so that news should be come out in the next few months if it’s true.

If you’re comfortable with a 3 liter dual turbocharged engine in a full sized truck then opt for the Hurricane. If I wasn’t so enamored in having a truck that sounds like a truck I’d be okay with the Hurricane. I’m not sure why you’re considering the RHO since (as you said) neither the rambox nor 4 corner air suspension is available with that model, and you said you love having those options. Also, you might also consider the RHO and Limited have the HO Hurricane which requires premium gas.

 

[MikeC725]

I would avoid the etorque Hemi. There are plenty of threads talking about the issues with etorque if you do a little bit of searching. Basically, it’s the lack of replacement parts that is the biggest issue with the system. If any of the major components needs to be replaced it could be weeks or months before that happens.

If I was buying right now I’d probably opt for an F150 with the 5.0 v8. If you can wait for next year’s models to come out there are rumors that Ram will be offering the non-etorque Hemi for 2027. I don’t know if that’s actually happening or not but if so that news should be come out in the next few months if it’s true.

If you’re comfortable with a 3 liter dual turbocharged engine in a full sized truck then opt for the Hurricane. If I wasn’t so enamored in having a truck that sounds like a truck I’d be okay with the Hurricane. I’m not sure why you’re considering the RHO since (as you said) neither the rambox nor 4 corner air suspension is available with that model, and you said you love having those options.

The only reason I'm looking at the RHO, is that it looks cool and has a great stance.

 

[Mlarv5]

I have a F150 with the 3.5 TT. I had a 2025 Ram 1500 with the base hurricane engine. As far as I could tell it had plenty of power, smooth shifts, and generally plenty of torque. I got rid of it because of electrical issues, and no customer service.

I myself would never buy an engine that shuts off cylinders to save gas.

Given the selections you gave I would get the hurricane engine.

 

[GeauxinUp]

I love my 26' Limited (high output hurricane), has both the air suspension and RamBoxes

 

[ramffml]

No offense to the guy above but I'd avoid Ford 5.0; for a start it now comes with an unproven DOD system, a wet belt for the oil pump, worst 10 speed in the business, and either this year or next year it sounds like it's coming with a diaper.

GM's are even worse off with the v8 issues and 10 speed.

The rams have been the most reliable drive train for a few years now. I know, shocking.

I'd take a chance on ET as it's at least somewhat user servicable and not every ET is sh|tting the bed either, it just really sucks if it happens to you.

Otherwise go for RHO if you want it. I'd bet my money on hemi over hurricane when it comes to duty cycle and longevity but not everybody keeps their trucks long enough for it to matter either.

 

[Bunk22]

So, recently I sold my 2023 Ram 1500 Lone Star with the 5.7 Hemi with e-Torque and purchased a new 2026 Ram Warlock with the Hurricane and 3.92 gears. Being retired, I don't really go anywhere so my 23 Ram had just over 25,000 miles in three years and it was absolutely reliable. However, when new, the e-Torque was very smooth and quiet. When I sold it, the unit was getting louder and rougher running. IMO, it was not if, but when might it go out. So now, I don't have that issue. But if you purchase a 2026 Ram 5.7 Hemi, you have a 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty.

The actual failure rates is most likely very small. Internet claims is not a valid data point. I've read that the failure rates is probably around 3%, which is high for a modern motor. With respect to the Hurricane, other than the obvious power gains over the Hemi, the MPG on mine isn't just a little better than my 5.7 Hemi with 3.21 gears, it is much better and my Warlock has 3.92 gears. My 5.7 average 12 MPG combined, just not good. My Warlock is 15-16 around town. My old 5.7 also had a relatively small 23 gallon fuel tank, which is just stupid IMO.

 

[ramffml]

So, recently I sold my 2023 Ram 1500 Lone Star with the 5.7 Hemi with e-Torque and purchased a new 2026 Ram Warlock with the Hurricane and 3.92 gears. Being retired, I don't really go anywhere so my 23 Ram had just over 25,000 miles in three years and it was absolutely reliable. However, when new, the e-Torque was very smooth and quiet. When I sold it, the unit was getting louder and rougher running. IMO, it was not if, but when might it go out. So now, I don't have that issue. But if you purchase a 2026 Ram 5.7 Hemi, you have a 10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty.

The actual failure rates is most likely very small. Internet claims is not a valid data point. I've read that the failure rates is probably around 3%, which is high for a modern motor. With respect to the Hurricane, other than the obvious power gains over the Hemi, the MPG on mine isn't just a little better than my 5.7 Hemi with 3.21 gears, it is much better and my Warlock has 3.92 gears. My 5.7 average 12 MPG combined, just not good. My Warlock is 15-16 around town. My old 5.7 also had a relatively small 23 gallon fuel tank, which is just stupid IMO.

The MPG difference that you get from switching to 3.92 only happens in freeway driving, during city driving you're not going to notice a difference.

I've hit 28 mpg in my truck (once, ECU calculated), and multiple times over 23/24. Just gotta keep the rpms down and stay out of the left lane.

Once you start towing though, it'll be the other way around and the hemi will get better MPG.

 

[Farmer Fran]

Hurricane H.O. >* I love my Limited Longhorn. I have had 5 hemi 1500s and would never go back.

 

[MikeC725]

Hurricane H.O. >* I love my Limited Longhorn. I have had 5 hemi 1500s and would never go back.

Hey Farmer Fran, weren't you on the Camaro6 boards?

 

[Farmer Fran]

Hey Farmer Fran, weren't you on the Camaro6 boards?

Yep. That is me

 

[jasonw]

If you wait until later this year, you could order a 2027 TRX. Get the stance of the RHO and the Hellcat V8 engine/sound, as long as you don't mind paying for it at the pump.

I've owned five 5.7 Hemis. A 2013, a 2014, and a 2020 Ram 1500, along with a 2014 and 2018 Grand Cherokee.

Due to a job situation, was forced to sell my beloved TRX to get rid of the payments. The Tungsten with the HO Hurricane replaced it. I like it just as much as the TRX, but for different reasons, which I won't bore you with here (unless you ask) because it might veer off-topic.

Compared to the 5.7, the HO Hurricane gets better average MPG and more power, at least in my personal experience. Only you can decide if thats worth the trade off with the exhaust note.

For me, after my TRX, the 5.7 Hemi's sound doesn't do it for me. The HO Hurricane is the next best thing for power and speed to the TRX.

I thought about going to the RHO myself, but they were more expensive than equivalent Limiteds/Tungstens, and I really liked the floofy interior of the Tungsten. I typically buy one or two year old vehicles, so that someone else takes that initial depreciation hit (the TRX was an exception, got it new). Initial depreciation on new luxury trim trucks is insane, like 33% in the first year insane, but the RHOs/TRXs hold their value better.

 

[Farmer Fran]

If you wait until later this year, you could order a 2027 TRX. Get the stance of the RHO and the Hellcat V8 engine/sound, as long as you don't mind paying for it at the pump.

I've owned five 5.7 Hemis. A 2013, a 2014, and a 2020 Ram 1500, along with a 2014 and 2018 Grand Cherokee.

Due to a job situation, was forced to sell my beloved TRX to get rid of the payments. The Tungsten with the HO Hurricane replaced it. I like it just as much as the TRX, but for different reasons, which I won't bore you with here (unless you ask) because it might veer off-topic.

Compared to the 5.7, the HO Hurricane gets better average MPG and more power, at least in my personal experience. Only you can decide if thats worth the trade off with the exhaust note.

For me, after my TRX, the 5.7 Hemi's sound doesn't do it for me. The HO Hurricane is the next best thing for power and speed to the TRX.

I thought about going to the RHO myself, but they were more expensive than equivalent Limiteds/Tungstens, and I really liked the floofy interior of the Tungsten. I typically buy one or two year old vehicles, so that someone else takes that initial depreciation hit (the TRX was an exception, got it new). Initial depreciation on new luxury trim trucks is insane, like 33% in the first year insane, but the RHOs/TRXs hold their value better.

A Hurricane H.O. Limited is as fast as the last gen TRX. A tuned H.O. is faster than the next gen TRX. Crazy, I know

 

[Burla]

I'd get a slightly used 2024 non e torque hemi. But if it has to be new, you have to have a hurricane, hopefully that ten year warranty holds. A couple issues yes, but in my opinion it has a good roll out for a new engine. And trust me I am anti di turbo, but the RAM seams to have a good one. Anyone who buys an e torque gets a rude awakening if it needs parts. You have to ask yourself why they are removing from other engines but force this garbage on the hemi. And I think it has a couple years less on warranty that item.

 

[rickjkline]

I was at the dealer this past weekend looking at a 2026 Ram Bighorn with Hemi eTorque and I happened to walk over to the 26 Durango sitting in the showroom with its hood open, a standard Hemi non eTorque engine, I was like WTF and asked the sales manager about that, he threw his hands in the air and said he doesn't understand it either.

I know many like the new Hurricane but I am not sold on longevity yet, my current 2014 Hemi Ram has 195k and runs strong.

Should I wait? I keep thinking that STLA will dump that system and go back to a standard Hemi in the Ram just after I buy.
Thoughts?

 

[turkeybird56]

I was at the dealer this past weekend looking at a 2026 Ram Bighorn with Hemi eTorque and I happened to walk over to the 26 Durango sitting in the showroom with its hood open, a standard Hemi non eTorque engine, I was like WTF and asked the sales manager about that, he threw his hands in the air and said he doesn't understand it either.

I know many like the new Hurricane but I am not sold on longevity yet, my current 2014 Hemi Ram has 195k and runs strong.

Should I wait? I keep thinking that STLA will dump that system and go back to a standard Hemi in the Ram just after I buy.
Thoughts?

On a watch and wait ref RAM allegedly removing E TQ junkola for the 2027 Hemi offering. Not seen anything proving this is happening. No Chevy 5.3/6.2 to blow up, no Ford on the 10 speed and oiling, so on standby and wait see.

Of course GM allegedly refitting and going to 5.7/6.6L motors allegedly without AFM/DFM which has been the downfall of the GM's for the last 5-10 years.

SO again on a wait and see.

I want a new Hemi but I also am on the Wait and See Merry go round. They come out with a non E Junkola Hemi, hmmm. But I have a 2019 that is no E Junkola so not in a hurry.

 

[MikeC725]

I was at the dealer this past weekend looking at a 2026 Ram Bighorn with Hemi eTorque and I happened to walk over to the 26 Durango sitting in the showroom with its hood open, a standard Hemi non eTorque engine, I was like WTF and asked the sales manager about that, he threw his hands in the air and said he doesn't understand it either.

I know many like the new Hurricane but I am not sold on longevity yet, my current 2014 Hemi Ram has 195k and runs strong.

Should I wait? I keep thinking that STLA will dump that system and go back to a standard Hemi in the Ram just after I buy.
Thoughts?

I just read an article stating that the non eTorque Hemi does not work with the new electrical system. They are currently working on bringing it back. So I'm on the same kinda wait and see list.

One thing though, I'll really miss getting almost 30MPG's in my Eco.......Maybe I should just delete it and live with it. Regens is why I want to get rid of it. Wife won't ride in it if it smells. Not sure it would be that bad.

 

[Burla]

I just read an article stating that the non eTorque Hemi does not work with the new electrical system. They are currently working on bringing it back. So I'm on the same kinda wait and see list.

One thing though, I'll really miss getting almost 30MPG's in my Eco.......Maybe I should just delete it and live with it. Regens is why I want to get rid of it. Wife won't ride in it if it smells. Not sure it would be that bad.

it's all bulltrd. I wouldn't believe one ounce of that lie that the new platform built for hurricanes was able to accept e torque hemi's but not non e torque hemi's. Yes we all heard that lie, which is the kind of thing that makes someone want to jump off the Mopar ship. Remember, now Mopar is a euro company, and euro companies are really sick with the garbage they put out.

 

[rickjkline]

Well, I was using AI to search the interweb for reasons behind the use of eTorque on the Hemi for 26MY, It appears the new Can bus Atlantis would not communicate with the Hemi without the eTorque system yet. below is what I found while searching.

I want to know why Ram used the eTorque system on the 26 Ram with Hemi

Ram used the eTorque system on the 2026 Hemi because it was the fastest way to integrate the engine with the truck's new Atlantis electrical architecture.
When the Hemi was originally discontinued for the 2025 model year, it was not part of the initial plan for the new high-tech electrical system used in modern Ram 1500s. Integrating the Hemi into this architecture required complex software and hardware updates for 13 different electrical modules to ensure they could communicate correctly with the truck’s backbone.
5th Gen Rams +1
The key reasons for including eTorque in this 2026 reintroduction include:

• Engineering Speed: Adapting the 5.7L Hemi V8 to the Atlantis architecture was expected to take 18 months. By using the existing eTorque hardware, which was already designed to work with these electrical systems, a specialized engineering team (codenamed "F-15") was able to cut that development time down to just six months.

I understand the Hemi was not built for Atlantis architecture, could Ram be working on the adaptation of the non eTorque Hemi for the future Ram models with Hemi?

Yes, recent reports and industry leaks suggest that Ram is actively working to expand Hemi options for the future, including a potential non-eTorque version for 2027.
While the 2026 reintroduction required the eTorque system to quickly bridge the gap with the new Atlantis architecture, Ram is reportedly developing a more permanent adaptation. According to leaked production timelines, a 5.7L Hemi without eTorque is expected to enter production around September 28, 2026, as part of the 2027 model year.
Here is why and how this transition is happening:

• Long-Term Integration: The "F-15" engineering team used the eTorque Hemi for 2026 because it was already "digitally compatible," allowing them to launch the engine in just six months. A non-eTorque version requires more extensive software re-coding for those 13 critical electrical modules to work without the hybrid motor-generator.

I bet they are working to upgrade the Hemi to work directly with the Atlantis Can architecture and I think I am on the wait and see bus.

 

[turkeybird56]

Well, I was using AI to search the interweb for reasons behind the use of eTorque on the Hemi for 26MY, It appears the new Can bus Atlantis would not communicate with the Hemi without the eTorque system yet. below is what I found while searching.

I want to know why Ram used the eTorque system on the 26 Ram with Hemi

Ram used the eTorque system on the 2026 Hemi because it was the fastest way to integrate the engine with the truck's new Atlantis electrical architecture.
When the Hemi was originally discontinued for the 2025 model year, it was not part of the initial plan for the new high-tech electrical system used in modern Ram 1500s. Integrating the Hemi into this architecture required complex software and hardware updates for 13 different electrical modules to ensure they could communicate correctly with the truck’s backbone.
5th Gen Rams +1
The key reasons for including eTorque in this 2026 reintroduction include:

• Engineering Speed: Adapting the 5.7L Hemi V8 to the Atlantis architecture was expected to take 18 months. By using the existing eTorque hardware, which was already designed to work with these electrical systems, a specialized engineering team (codenamed "F-15") was able to cut that development time down to just six months.

I understand the Hemi was not built for Atlantis architecture, could Ram be working on the adaptation of the non eTorque Hemi for the future Ram models with Hemi?

Yes, recent reports and industry leaks suggest that Ram is actively working to expand Hemi options for the future, including a potential non-eTorque version for 2027.
While the 2026 reintroduction required the eTorque system to quickly bridge the gap with the new Atlantis architecture, Ram is reportedly developing a more permanent adaptation. According to leaked production timelines, a 5.7L Hemi without eTorque is expected to enter production around September 28, 2026, as part of the 2027 model year.
Here is why and how this transition is happening:

• Long-Term Integration: The "F-15" engineering team used the eTorque Hemi for 2026 because it was already "digitally compatible," allowing them to launch the engine in just six months. A non-eTorque version requires more extensive software re-coding for those 13 critical electrical modules to work without the hybrid motor-generator.

I bet they are working to upgrade the Hemi to work directly with the Atlantis Can architecture and I think I am on the wait and see bus.

Getting awful crowded on the bus. Hope it is an extended bus or London double decker lol.