Using 5w-40 in the 6.4?

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Any issues with the 5w-40 in the 6.4? My son is all over the country and usually has to get his oil changed on Sundays at a Jiffy Lube place but none ever have the 0W-40. He has had a hard time finding it and usually has to buy it himself and take it to the Jiffy Lube for them to change it. He can find 5w-40 though. Ordering it usually isn't an answer either because his company will call and tell him he has to leave the next morning and be 1000 miles away with no advanced notice. He was in TX and ordered something and had to leave the day before it was delivered so his co-worker got a free gift out of it....lol. He is in Thief River Falls, Minnesota now but hasn't looked around yet but he is about 2000 miles over his oil change and needs to get it done ASAP. He was going to get it changed the Sunday after he left Texas but got a call on Tuesday that he had to leave Wednesday morning for Minnesota so didn't have a chance to get it changed.
 

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I definitely wouldn't do it he's still under warranty and probably wouldn't anyway for that matter. I remember reading on here once some people were getting check-engine lights due to incorrect oil type. I always found that hard to believe but with these new high-tech trucks I suppose anything is possible.
 

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Best too change real early the way late................

If I know gonna be on a trip and real close, I just change it early to be safe then to scramble trying to find a place.

Also it is wise to BRING along a oil change kit, ANYBODY can change oil.

Had to take a trip with the BMW and carried TWO un- mounted tires. Its a ODD size NOBODY stocked. BUT anywhere can mount a tire !!!

Two tires are way lighter the rim and tire.

How much does 10 qtrs of oil and filter weigh ????
 
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Yep. Safety coordinator for his company.

He usually changes it before it is due but he was told at about 4:00PM on Tuesday that he had to leave first thing Wednesday morning for Minnesota. His manager actually wasn't happy that he couldn't work Thursday but it was about a 20 hour drive. He reported to work Friday morning. He had been told he would be in Texas a few more months. It was about 1200 miles to Minnesota so by the time he got there he was quite a bit over and he has had alot of issues with his water lines freezing in his camper so has spent the last couple of Sundays getting that figured out. He has only been there 2 Sundays I think and he works Monday through Saturday about 12-14 hours a day so Sunday is his only option.

Good to know about NAPA. I will let him know. He hasn't had a chance to look around that town yet but assumed it would be hard to find there too.

He flew home yesterday so is here now but headed back there Sunday morning. And truck is out of warranty. He has about 73,000 miles on it (yeah it's a 2018)

Thanks!
 

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Any issues with the 5w-40 in the 6.4? My son is all over the country and usually has to get his oil changed on Sundays at a Jiffy Lube place but none ever have the 0W-40. He has had a hard time finding it and usually has to buy it himself and take it to the Jiffy Lube for them to change it. He can find 5w-40 though. Ordering it usually isn't an answer either because his company will call and tell him he has to leave the next morning and be 1000 miles away with no advanced notice. He was in TX and ordered something and had to leave the day before it was delivered so his co-worker got a free gift out of it....lol. He is in Thief River Falls, Minnesota now but hasn't looked around yet but he is about 2000 miles over his oil change and needs to get it done ASAP. He was going to get it changed the Sunday after he left Texas but got a call on Tuesday that he had to leave Wednesday morning for Minnesota so didn't have a chance to get it changed.

Suggest you read this thread...
https://www.ramforum.com/threads/yet-another-oil-thread.169220/page-7#post-2408441

Keep in mind 0W-40 was originally spec'd for the Hellcat, SRT engine, not trucks. Note the 5.7 Hemi requires 5W-20, and would be fine with 5W-30.

Bottom line is yes, 5W-40 is ok in a pinch, as long as it's synthetic.

My belief is the engineers mis-spec'd the 6.4L in the truck app. It is NOT supercharged or turbocharged. Yes, it runs a higher duty cycle, but none that would require a 40wt oil for heavily loaded parts like a charged engine or high pressure diesel engine.

The 0W is for cold temp circulation. I prefer a 5W synthetic for that - it doesn't have the evaporative volatility or sheardown of VII additives. I'm running 5W-30 synthetic Red Line. Best to prevent Hemi Tick and valve lifter failure.
 
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Yep. Safety coordinator for his company.

He usually changes it before it is due but he was told at about 4:00PM on Tuesday that he had to leave first thing Wednesday morning for Minnesota. His manager actually wasn't happy that he couldn't work Thursday but it was about a 20 hour drive. He reported to work Friday morning. He had been told he would be in Texas a few more months. It was about 1200 miles to Minnesota so by the time he got there he was quite a bit over and he has had alot of issues with his water lines freezing in his camper so has spent the last couple of Sundays getting that figured out. He has only been there 2 Sundays I think and he works Monday through Saturday about 12-14 hours a day so Sunday is his only option.

Good to know about NAPA. I will let him know. He hasn't had a chance to look around that town yet but assumed it would be hard to find there too.

He flew home yesterday so is here now but headed back there Sunday morning. And truck is out of warranty. He has about 73,000 miles on it (yeah it's a 2018)

Thanks!
My mother in-law live in Warren Mn and they had like minus 28 the other day but today she said it was like 10 above :). she just happened to mention the gas line being built from Warren to TRF and there were 400 workers who were probably having a tough time with food as everything is closed and nobody in Warren is even doing take out meals.
 

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@dhay13 lots of guys in the oil thread are running 5-40. Only issue I’d see is if he doesn’t have a block heater it might be hard to start, especially up In Minnesota.

It will be just fine in there. After my next oil change I am going to 5-40.


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Amsoil SS 0W-40
 

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I’ve used delvac esp 5w40 multiple times, no discernible difference from PUP 0w40 IMO. My work truck is a Ford 6.2 F-350 and it gets 15w40 and this is about an hour from Canadian border, it cranks a little more difficult. With 73k miles on a 2018 it probably doesn’t get a ton of
Cold starts.
 

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Suggest you read this thread...
https://www.ramforum.com/threads/yet-another-oil-thread.169220/page-7#post-2408441

Keep in mind 0W-40 was originally spec'd for the Hellcat, SRT engine, not trucks. Note the 5.7 Hemi requires 5W-20, and would be fine with 5W-30.

Bottom line is yes, 5W-40 is ok in a pinch, as long as it's synthetic.

My belief is the engineers mis-spec'd the 6.4L in the truck app. It is NOT supercharged or turbocharged. Yes, it runs a higher duty cycle, but none that would require a 40wt oil for heavily loaded parts like a charged engine or high pressure diesel engine.

The 0W is for cold temp circulation. I prefer a 5W synthetic for that - it doesn't have the evaporative volatility or sheardown of VII additives. I'm running 5W-30 synthetic Red Line. Best to prevent Hemi Tick and valve lifter failure.


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You will know if the truck doesn't like 5w40 or not, if it doesn't as in laboring at start up or piston slap, I'd try 5w30 which in many cases is the same thing as 0w40 as far as viscosity goes.
 

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By the way, this is your spec oil in Hammers 6.4. Note the viscosity at only 4500 miles. This is why 5w30 will work likely even better then 0w40 in your 6.4's. All 0w40 is 5w30 with more vii's for lack of a perfect description. When 0w40 is used, it releases a bunch or worn out vii's that are bad for lubrication. That is why this viscosity went from 13.7 to 11.4 after 4500 miles. FCA spec oil 0w40 uses a ton of vii's, 5w30 is only a 25 swing winter rating to weight, 0w40 is 40 swing. 5w30 is way more stout oil then 0w40 spec oil.

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By the way, this is your spec oil in Hammers 6.4. Note the viscosity at only 4500 miles. This is why 5w30 will work likely even better then 0w40 in your 6.4's. All 0w40 is 5w30 with more vii's for lack of a perfect description. When 0w40 is used, it releases a bunch or worn out vii's that are bad for lubrication. That is why this viscosity went from 13.7 to 11.4 after 4500 miles. FCA spec oil 0w40 uses a ton of vii's, 5w30 is only a 25 swing winter rating to weight, 0w40 is 40 swing. 5w30 is way more stout oil then 0w40 spec oil.

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Now the question is, run of the mill Walmart 5w30 SN+or SP? Or boutique 5w30 redline, amsoil, Ravenol, etc that has a better add pack?

has anyone done a UOA with 5w30 yet?

the oil starts out as a 40 weight, and seems to slip into a 30 weight relatively soon, but to get the long OCI maybe Chrysler feels that a 5w30 might slip into a 20 weight oil and that won’t work? Pure speculation
 
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5w30's are evolving, many are going to thinner visc. If it was me, I would use a 5w30 with a cSt close to 12. Or 5w40 as well, depends on how the truck is used or location and cold performance needed.
 

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I agree with both your points, I haven’t had the guts yet to go with a 5w30, that’s why is stick to the delvac 5w40, but wouldn’t have a problem with rotella
Or delo 5w40 either. The delvac rebates are what push me in that direction.

Burla, what 5w40 or 5w30 would you use?
 
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I ask because when I bought mine the dealer accidentally put 0W-20 in it and it smoked at startup and had a mild tick. I took it back and had them change it again and it went back to normal so wanted to make sure he didn't run into any issues.

Yeah he is on the pipeline. Don't know much about it. He was in Williston, ND last year then back here to PA then to TX and now out of the blue sent to Minnesota. He said he will probably be leaving there in a couple of weeks. But that might change due to a couple of recent issues. He might end up having to stay longer.

Yeah the other day he told me the high was like -1* F. I just came from his house and he said it was like a high of -6* F today.
 

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I agree with both your points, I haven’t had the guts yet to go with a 5w30, that’s why is stick to the delvac 5w40, but wouldn’t have a problem with rotella
Or delo 5w40 either. The delvac rebates are what push me in that direction.

Burla, what 5w40 or 5w30 would you use?

That is why I posted the uoa of hammers oil. Even if you use a 0w40 if it is fca's spec oil it will very likely be thinner then most 5w30's at the end of the interval. So 5w30 in basic terms = 0w40 as far as viscosity goes, but further the point the 0w40 will have much more undesirable qualities running around at the end of an interval.

So two products represent my working theory on what a hemi needs. Over the last decade, it seams everything has validated this theory, and we would not know how much without the many people on ram forum who have trusted the paper out there and went all in on it.

poll did redline kill your hemi tick

45 ram forum members say yes, the poll is public
18 said it helped somewhat.
9 said it didn't help at all.

did lubegard biotech kill hemi tick.

9 say yes
3 say no
11 say noticeably better

In the end of that poll I posted something found by a member here...

roxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKmyVgOd.png

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So both of those products have high additives (moly) and others such as phos/zinc, plus esters. I would use redline 5w30 like u&a does in his 6.4 hemi, or I would use 5w40 redline, or I would use a good spec oil in 0w40 and add lubegard biotech, specs such as Merc, Porsche, and dexos have stay in grade components and "probably" wont shear down as much as fca's srt oil that doesn't carry those specs.

Alternatively, any 5w40 with a decent additive package again with lubegard in it makes a real good lubrication strategy for the 6.4. Again, two components you need to add is how the truck is used as in towing etc, or where it is as in alaska or hawaii. The colder it is you will want thinner, the more harder it is worked you want thicker, if both you want something thinner at start up and thicker in use, thus 0w40 comes in, and stay in grade base oils will benefit you.

Also, redline 0w30 will very likely be thicker then srt spec oil at the end of an interval, but will give you incredible cold start performance, and high additives will aid that viscosity in heavy duty performance. Look at viscosity specs of any oil you are considering, a 0w30 over 11cSt can be a smart move in cold places. Again the number might scare you off, but the specs surely wont. Depending on the 0w30, it is possible to get better cold performance and better hot performance then the srt 0w40 that fca give you their blessing on. If you did two uoa's on 0w30 redline and 0w40 srt "PUP", I'd wager a good days wage the redline 0w30 will have thicker viscosity at the 5k mark. So why would that scare you off? It shouldn't.

BTW, nothing wrong with that delvac 5w40 if you like it, that lubegard will dress that up nicely though. The srt 0w40 has one feature that tells you what fca says is more important then viscosity, and that is moly, as their srt oil has 250 ppm moly. So we followed that in our testing, and lubegard biotech is an oil soluble moly, so it will boost your additives but not add anything crazy like some other additives do. Biotech is just the good things already in most oils, just boosts the levels. With delvac which tends to be low moly, I like the idea of adding the 15 ounce size biotech. If you have read oil filter thread, it is a good read, pair that with a spun microgass filter.
 
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That is why I posted the uoa of hammers oil. Even if you use a 0w40 if it is fca's spec oil it will very likely be thinner then most 5w30's at the end of the interval. So 5w30 in basic terms = 0w40 as far as viscosity goes, but further the point the 0w40 will have much more undesirable qualities running around at the end of an interval.

So two products represent my working theory on what a hemi needs. Over the last decade, it seams everything has validated this theory, and we would not know how much without the many people on ram forum who have trusted the paper out there and went all in on it.

poll did redline kill your hemi tick

45 ram forum members say yes, the poll is public
18 said it helped somewhat.
9 said it didn't help at all.

did lubegard biotech kill hemi tick.

9 say yes
3 say no
11 say noticeably better

In the end of that poll I posted something found by a member here...

roxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKmyVgOd.png

roxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FimCVwVj.png

So both of those products have high additives (moly) and others such as phos/zinc, plus esters. I would use redline 5w30 like u&a does in his 6.4 hemi, or I would use 5w40 redline, or I would use a good spec oil in 0w40 and add lubegard biotech, specs such as Merc, Porsche, and dexos have stay in grade components and "probably" wont shear down as much as fca's srt oil that doesn't carry those specs.

Alternatively, any 5w40 with a decent additive package again with lubegard in it makes a real good lubrication strategy for the 6.4. Again, two components you need to add is how the truck is used as in towing etc, or where it is as in alaska or hawaii. The colder it is you will want thinner, the more harder it is worked you want thicker, if both you want something thinner at start up and thicker in use, thus 0w40 comes in, and stay in grade base oils will benefit you.

Also, redline 0w30 will very likely be thicker then srt spec oil at the end of an interval, but will give you incredible cold start performance, and high additives will aid that viscosity in heavy duty performance. Look at viscosity specs of any oil you are considering, a 0w30 over 11cSt can be a smart move in cold places. Again the number might scare you off, but the specs surely wont. Depending on the 0w30, it is possible to get better cold performance and better hot performance then the srt 0w40 that fca give you their blessing on. If you did two uoa's on 0w30 redline and 0w40 srt "PUP", I'd wager a good days wage the redline 0w30 will have thicker viscosity at the 5k mark. So why would that scare you off? It shouldn't.

BTW, nothing wrong with that delvac 5w40 if you like it, that lubegard will dress that up nicely though. The srt 0w40 has one feature that tells you what fca says is more important then viscosity, and that is moly, as their srt oil has 250 ppm moly. So we followed that in our testing, and lubegard biotech is an oil soluble moly, so it will boost your additives but not add anything crazy like some other additives do. Biotech is just the good things already in most oils, just boosts the levels. With delvac which tends to be low moly, I like the idea of adding the 15 ounce size biotech. If you have read oil filter thread, it is a good read, pair that with a spun microgass filter.

thanks for the info, I’ll get lubegard and add it to the delvac 5w40 in the spring when I change my oil. I was hoping with the delvac the 1000+ ppm zinc would make up for any moly deficiency compared to PUP 0w40.
 

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thanks for the info, I’ll get lubegard and add it to the delvac 5w40 in the spring when I change my oil. I was hoping with the delvac the 1000+ ppm zinc would make up for any moly deficiency compared to PUP 0w40.

One is anti wear and one is extreme pressure additive, known as aw/ep additives. We had zero luck with zinc and hemi tick, but exciting results with moly. I guess that hemi tick causes extreme pressures so EP additives are more beneficial to that.
 
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