Using 5w-40 in the 6.4?

[CYSTemrebel]

I have been running Shell Rotella in my last 3 Power wagons. Knock on wood but with 5W-40 I have never had the Hemi Tick with over half a million miles logged on all 3 trucks.

I worked in refineries decades ago with a fellow whose uncle was a chemical engineer. Maintenance work done included setting up cracker towers for catalyst renewal. Noted that some refinery companies utilized clay ball catalyst and the oil "jugs" used where motor oil was processed indicated no fewer than 4 company logos on the containers. The packaging plant from one refinery supplied four different brand names from the same source.

There were different catalysts used and one particular refinery used the clay ball catalysts I noted in the cracker towers which required replacement from time to time. The oil from that source had a dark appearance.

I asked my co worker one day about his uncle who was employed by different refineries who had experience in his profession if he ever indicated anything about the competing motor oil companies relative to oil types. He told me that Shell oil used chromium catalyst in the cracking process and some refineries used the clay ball catalyst type instead. His uncle had told him to buy a quart of Shell oil and one of a different brand he specified and to fill a glass of each brand to compare color. He told me the Shell oil was a see through light honey color and the other brand was a dark hue not transparent. I had used both oils and noted this years ago but never questioned it. His uncle had told him the clay catalyst oil had dissolved microscopic particles in it and the chromium type catalyst used by Shell had none.

His opinion as to the best motor oil made was that produced by Shell. At that point I started using Shell oil exclusively in my motorcycles and other vehicles. As time passed I noted the color of different oils and over fifty years later note that there are no more oils I have noted that are dark in color. Whether it is a better refinery oil cracking exclusive use of chromium cracking material or better filtration processes, I do not know but the oil brands I use now that are from different sources are all honey colored.

My use of one brand with a dark color pre Shell oil switch did not cause any engine problems in my experience. Never had an engine go "south" on me except one in an Argo which had extreme use decades ago.

Anyone I talk to tells me that Shell oil is a top grade lubricant motor oil and I do not disagree but synthetic oils have replaced petroleum oils in large part both in Canada and the USA. I use them exclusively in my vehicles and equipment. I have purchased fifty gallon drums of Shell oil for use along the way. I am now curious about lubricants and know the man who can answer any questions I may have on lubricants...it is the same fellow who counsels me on oil grade viscosity to use in my Dodge truck. Lockdown here precludes contact with him but I will see him in the near future and inquire.

Learning is a voyage not a harbor and things change either for better or worse. Technological strides affect everything, mostly for the better, but humanity in its devolution processes seems to be affected negatively in the moral sphere of existence by the Law of Entropy. Proof is everywhere!

 

[CYSTemrebel]

Can you ignore people? Because I'm tired of that ******* Jerry fella.

Please share... lol

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It may be trite to say the least but it is a reality there will always be alternate opinions on every topical subject and opinions are mostly based on subjectivity. In "Canuckistan" there are three ways of thinking and three ways of doing things, which are THE RIGHT WAY, THE WRONG WAY, AND THE CANADIAN WAY. Most people do things the Canadian way here or the wrong way as they do in their thought processes. We are Sovereignly endowed by many things and the right to self defence and freedom of expression are two of those rights that the damned CYSTem in every nation attempts to infringe upon. All have opinions on what is the best motor oil, the best truck brand, the best models, the best type of woman, or man, the best ketchup brand, the best make of blue jeans, the best political party, etc etc etc.

In all things, as I said there are three ways of thinking and doing things. For example, some think it suits them to carjack, but that is wrong. Once again, that is the right opinion on that subject. The problem is that there is a clash by those of differing opinions on any given subject.

In my existence I find most men live lives of quiet desperation (quote from someone) and I note many people have the energy I do not waste, on trying to be someone and something they are not. All is never as it meets the eye. On the matter of trucks, having owned Dodge, GM, and Ford, I have experentially both in my existence and that of others, each brand has advantages and disadvantages relative to the others. For example, I find that the Hemi is the best engine in terms of power. That was solidified by a mechanic and car salesman who both having had considerable experience and both being honest men, told the truth on that subject which validated my limited experience in comparison. However, the tendency is for people to be proud, and pride is indicated in scriptures as being the cardinal sin. Pride makes one embrace the inability to be educated as it bars them from the objective determination of the Truth based on the superior knowledge of others who have gained it by length of years and exposure to variegated situations relative.

Being "tired" of someone or something will often prevent a learning process to occur, for our own opinions that can be flawed are mostly in this society run amok, SUBJECTIVE. We seek not for the truth but for the validation of our own flawed opinions many times. The reality of course is that any opinion is either wrong or right, and if you want to argue that fact, you can start by explaining to all here, the merits of pimping, the righteousness of murdering, or the justification for tens of millions murdered by ********* dictators throughout history.

There are times when we think someone is a fool, based on our judgmental pride/subjectivity and while that may be true about someone who champions things proven wrong, a fool judged as such often has expertise in unknown areas of excellence.

Most here are what I consider "hobby truckers." That is, I see my truck as a work truck, and my 1979 Chevy van my hobby vehicle. The preponderancy of hobby truckers I know, and of my ponderings over the years, lead me to the opinion that such people use their hobbyist activities of owning a vehicle always kept spotless, clean as a whistle, and babied, is a form of escapism from the insanity of our present day existences where up is down, right is wrong, might is right, and man biting dog is a politically correct activity.

While escapism by other ways that are destructive, such as illicit drug use, alcohol consumption, etc are not conductive to the best interests of any, the hobby truck owner harms no one and spurs economic activity by his focus on his truck and non stop activities of turning a wrench, washing repeatedly, polishing, modifying, etc This leaves that "tired" feeling, despair, disgust, of what is, in the far back recesses of the mind and helps make life bearable.

I must needs stop, for my propensity to wax long and hard in my pontifications are not of much interest save to those of similar perspectives and often create anger in any whose crooked toes I step on and whose frail feathers I ruffle.

A big point I will front after all this is that newer is not better, higher technology is not necessarily an improvement, and more money spent on a product does not necessarily mean the purchased item is superior. If you think I am wrong, then tell me why a signal actuated computer thingamajig throttle control that can and will malfunction when one is on a mountain forestry access road miles from anywhere, is more preferable than the old but reliable metal cable unit running through pullies from accelerator to carb, common on older models, I owned/own that NEVER failed due to high altitude and moisture. Nuff said, back to bed, close my eyes, to current societal lies. Son of a gun, I "are" a poet, and do not "knowet"

 

[HEMIMANN]

CYSTemrebel - when I worked for Mobil, I remember them touting their Zeolite catalyst. I don't recall why, just saying how wonderful it was. I was in Industrial Lube Application Engineering, but tried to learn what I could about product chemistry.

Catalytic cracking was new back in those days, some 30-40 years ago. I remember each company jealously guarded it's own propriety catalyst and reaction recipes. Good memories, thanks.

 

[EastWestHemi]

For starters it's about 5* on a typical day there so I don't blame him for not changing it himself. And as much as he has to bounce around he really has nowhere to store a drain pan while traveling. I went with him to Texas and his truck and camper were packed. His back seat was packed up to the back window, the bed was full and the pass through storage on the camper was full. Often times he has to haul a bunch of the office equipment with him. Small refrigerators, large flat screen TV's etc. When we went to Texas we hit the CAT scales and his camper was only about 300 under GVWR and his truck had 700lbs of extra stuff in it. Not much room for anything so for the $30 or whatever he would save doing it himself it isn't worth it. Could he do it himself? Sure. Is it worth it? No. Normally he can get it changed on time but with the short notice he had this last trip he didn't get a chance to have it done. This was the only time he has been over by anything significant but he does have trouble finding the oil. No quick lube shops carry it and he can only do it on a Sunday. He was able to get a company loaner for Wednesday so scheduled it for then but often times they don't have a loaner available.
And he gets no OT. He is salary so he gets screwed pretty bad. He makes about 1/2 to 1/3 of what the laborers make. He has a B.S. degree in Safety Management.

That stinks with the pay, travel and hours worked! I got sucked into management after being in the field for 8 years. I quit and found another field job, just a better one where I get to be with my family everyday at 4pm. I wasn’t trying to pick on him over not changing his oil, sounds like he has all the safety stuff in his truck that puts guys like me to sleep . If he likes his hemi and doesn’t trust any local mechanic then improvise and get it done, plug and filter can be dropped and taken off in less than 2 minutes if you get good at it.

 

[dhay13]

That stinks with the pay, travel and hours worked! I got sucked into management after being in the field for 8 years. I quit and found another field job, just a better one where I get to be with my family everyday at 4pm. I wasn’t trying to pick on him over not changing his oil, sounds like he has all the safety stuff in his truck that puts guys like me to sleep . If he likes his hemi and doesn’t trust any local mechanic then improvise and get it done, plug and filter can be dropped and taken off in less than 2 minutes if you get good at it.

yeah it isn't so much a trust issue, just nobody available to do it when he has time. He graduated from college with a B.S. in Safety Management but every 'entry level' job required 5 years experience...lol. So he took what he could get. Been there about 2 years now and we are hoping he gets something local in the next 6 months. We all know he will take a pay cut but at least he will have a life. But even then there aren't many jobs in his field around here either

 

[AC Davidson]

I wouldn’t use 5w40 all the time. Would make sure I have the correct oil more often than not.

 

[dhay13]

He bought the 0W-40 and bought extra. Got it at NAPA in Thief River Falls

 

[CYSTemrebel]

CYSTemrebel - when I worked for Mobil, I remember them touting their Zeolite catalyst. I don't recall why, just saying how wonderful it was. I was in Industrial Lube Application Engineering, but tried to learn what I could about product chemistry.

Catalytic cracking was new back in those days, some 30-40 years ago. I remember each company jealously guarded it's own propriety catalyst and reaction recipes. Good memories, thanks.

I try to get information from experts and follow this rule religiously in anything from investing to mechanical. As I said, my oil choices are based on an expert opinion proven by decades of experience.

My 2008 2500 Dodge, when ordered, came with an undesired limited slip function which I had not ordered. The dealer refunded me the $500.00 cost shown on the option list. An expert had told me it would be a waste of money. He was correct.

Yesterday I backed down a snow covered hill and could not get back up it. Driver side wheels were in a shallow ditch filled with water and the other side both wheels were on ice. Both of those wheels on that side spun having no traction but on the driver side both wheels did not. That is why limited slip units are a joke to me. Mine is worn out after over 300,000 km. My son was there and instead of me crawling around in mud and water installing chains, he drove his ATV to get one of his tractors to pull me up the hill. I have been down that same hill many times, once in mud and always made it back up though on those occasions I had enough traction even with all four wheels in goo. So now, I will trot next door to a master mechanic to get his take on what I should buy but it will probably be an electric locker as I do drive lots on paved roads but require both wheels when off road in such situations I am in regularly.

Limited slip units are a joke for those who require dependable traction continuity as they always wear out if truck has serious off road usage. I will take the money saved by refusing to pay for a limited slip unordered fake traction device and put it towards a top of the line electric activated REAL locker.

You speak of memories. When one lives seven decades, one has lots of memories, as I do. I have found 8 co-workers from the seventies still alive I intend on visiting this winter. It needs to be taught in the fake education CYSTem that when a choice is made, it will always turn around and make the author of the choice. This is unavoidable. Consequences will be either bad, or good. Wise choices equate to happiness, bad/stupid/uninformed choices equal pain, regrets and even suffering. The latter occurs more and more as many, in their embrace of uncritical thinking aka political correctness base decisions on their la la land emotions than on the hard facts of truth.

I see this even in choices of vehicle options by young buyers. Without slamming anyone here, I can never understand why anyone would take an engineered new truck, jack it up, and replace the stock tires with oversized ones that stick way out that results in mud, sand, salt, stone showers to the sides of their vehicle and a reduction in bearing life caused by the greater mechanically imposed forces.

Nor can I understand the constant debt embracing mentality of many buying a new vehicle every season. (being facetious here) That is their choice though and I grant it to them. It is called freedom, which of course has been under attack for decades.

My X has bought three new vehicles to my one, in the last 12 years, taking a hit on the trade in value, new purchase price, loan interest and depreciation beast. Vehicles have become more complicated and more expensive each year. But then that is freedom, and I use the words "I do not understand" instead of critical judgments. Freedom, ignorance, and emotion mixed in a test tube of decisions often boil over with negative consequences.

Common sense is not so common for many, including me. I do not place myself above others but do not like to witness misery caused by unwise decisions in my life nor the lives of others. Yet the best teacher is experience, often harsh but thoroughly effective.

 

[Zoe Saldana]

I try to get information from experts and follow this rule religiously in anything from investing to mechanical. As I said, my oil choices are based on an expert opinion proven by decades of experience.

My 2008 2500 Dodge, when ordered, came with an undesired limited slip function which I had not ordered. The dealer refunded me the $500.00 cost shown on the option list. An expert had told me it would be a waste of money. He was correct.

Yesterday I backed down a snow covered hill and could not get back up it. Driver side wheels were in a shallow ditch filled with water and the other side both wheels were on ice. Both of those wheels on that side spun having no traction but on the driver side both wheels did not. That is why limited slip units are a joke to me. Mine is worn out after over 300,000 km. My son was there and instead of me crawling around in mud and water installing chains, he drove his ATV to get one of his tractors to pull me up the hill. I have been down that same hill many times, once in mud and always made it back up though on those occasions I had enough traction even with all four wheels in goo. So now, I will trot next door to a master mechanic to get his take on what I should buy but it will probably be an electric locker as I do drive lots on paved roads but require both wheels when off road in such situations I am in regularly.

Limited slip units are a joke for those who require dependable traction continuity as they always wear out if truck has serious off road usage. I will take the money saved by refusing to pay for a limited slip unordered fake traction device and put it towards a top of the line electric activated REAL locker.

You speak of memories. When one lives seven decades, one has lots of memories, as I do. I have found 8 co-workers from the seventies still alive I intend on visiting this winter. It needs to be taught in the fake education CYSTem that when a choice is made, it will always turn around and make the author of the choice. This is unavoidable. Consequences will be either bad, or good. Wise choices equate to happiness, bad/stupid/uninformed choices equal pain, regrets and even suffering. The latter occurs more and more as many, in their embrace of uncritical thinking aka political correctness base decisions on their la la land emotions than on the hard facts of truth.

I see this even in choices of vehicle options by young buyers. Without slamming anyone here, I can never understand why anyone would take an engineered new truck, jack it up, and replace the stock tires with oversized ones that stick way out that results in mud, sand, salt, stone showers to the sides of their vehicle and a reduction in bearing life caused by the greater mechanically imposed forces.

Nor can I understand the constant debt embracing mentality of many buying a new vehicle every season. (being facetious here) That is their choice though and I grant it to them. It is called freedom, which of course has been under attack for decades.

My X has bought three new vehicles to my one, in the last 12 years, taking a hit on the trade in value, new purchase price, loan interest and depreciation beast. Vehicles have become more complicated and more expensive each year. But then that is freedom, and I use the words "I do not understand" instead of critical judgments. Freedom, ignorance, and emotion mixed in a test tube of decisions often boil over with negative consequences.

Common sense is not so common for many, including me. I do not place myself above others but do not like to witness misery caused by unwise decisions in my life nor the lives of others. Yet the best teacher is experience, often harsh but thoroughly effective.

That hill incident would have happened with an open diff. And it would have happened with 4wd if all tires were on ice.

Having 400 hp going to 1 wheel makes no sense to me.

 

[HEMIMANN]

The AAM Tru-Trac Torsen "anti-spin" differential in the Gen IV Ram HD is an all-gear, self-locker design. It is very expensive with all the added gearing in the differential carrier. You can google it and see the design.

This design gives you 3 wheel drive in 4x4 mode. Ostensibly, it does not wear out like wet clutch packs, nor does it deposit clutch wear material into the oil with use. Yes, there are initial break-in gear hone shavings, but there already are anyway from the pinion and ring gear. The first oil change you get rid of all that.

Going back to wet clutch is a real downgrade, IMO.

 

[dhay13]

The AAM Tru-Trac Torsen "anti-spin" differential in the Gen IV Ram HD is an all-gear, self-locker design. It is very expensive with all the added gearing in the differential carrier. You can google it and see the design.

This design gives you 3 wheel drive in 4x4 mode. Ostensibly, it does not wear out like wet clutch packs, nor does it deposit clutch wear material into the oil with use. Yes, there are initial break-in gear hone shavings, but there already are anyway from the pinion and ring gear. The first oil change you get rid of all that.

Going back to wet clutch is a real downgrade, IMO.

So mine has this system? What about the /off-Road package? Anything upgraded about that? I don't off-road mine and haven't had issues, just curious

 

[HEMIMANN]

So mine has this system? What about the /off-Road package? Anything upgraded about that? I don't off-road mine and haven't had issues, just curious

If it's a prior to MY 2019, and after 2014, yes it does.

Off road package adds Bilstein shock absorbers and transfer case guard plate.

 

[dhay13]

If it's a prior to MY 2019, and after 2014, yes it does.

Off road package adds Bilstein shock absorbers and transfer case guard plate.

Yeah mine is a 2018. And I knew about the shocks and stuff, just wondered if it had a different anti-spin/locker

 

[HEMIMANN]

Nope - you've got an AAM 11.5 in dia ring gear Tru-Trac all gear torsen differential. One of the best systems ever made.

Keep in mind these don't need or like limited slip friction modifier additive in the gear oil.

 

[retired]

Nope - you've got an AAM 11.5 in dia ring gear Tru-Trac all gear torsen differential. One of the best systems every made.

Keep in mind these don't need or like limited slip friction modifier additive in the gear oil.

yup so much nicer than most lsd. no clutch packs to wear out.