Valvoline NextGen 5w20 warning

[Burla]

PQIA sows us that all the top brands are real good choices. Occasionally there is a hick-up as with next gen, but as you can see they are all pretty close. If I didn't have Hemi tick so bad I would definitely be running something else. most likely Mobil 1 cause of the costco deal when I get the coupon or any top brand that I could get a deal on. But definitely get a synthetic filter though, that really makes a difference. Anyhow, just wanted to alert anyone using next gen, and I learned something as well. I had no idea that was recycled oil, lol. Good point, why the hell would we want to run that? Clearly, there is a performance problem with such a product. There are a ton of uses for recycled oil, we don't have to put it back in our engines. Recycled Oil is a FAIL IMO.

 

[smiley]

Not the dealer. The manufacturer recommendation. Big difference.

Let me be very clear though. Pennzoil is recommended because it meets minimum specs and they struck a deal just like Mobil before them. Does it mean it is better? Probably not better, maybe equal maybe not what it does mean though is that Chrysler is getting a good deal from them and are in bed with newer owner and only reason Pennzoil is decent now Shell. Pennzoil and Quaker State both were some of the worst rated oils in tests I have seen until Shell bought them. Now they have new formulas which analysis tests seem to prove.I have no idea why someone would want recycled oil really untless it was very inexpensive but like E85 the cost savings is not much if any by the time you have to use more. At Walmart where oil is probably the cheapest I have seen they want almost the exact same for that junk as all the other good fresh new oils. Also I know many of you have fallen in love with moly and that is fine but I believe there are many oils that do very well in tests without the moly so it is not required by any means. I am a big fan of Valvoline personally and in my family we have used it a lot with no issues. We could have very well done that with another oil too I am sure. In tests Valvoline hangs close with top oils we love like Amsoil and Redline so it is pretty good for budget performance IMO. I would wager that it is actually better or at least equal to that new Royal Purple since as Burla explained it is also a group 3.
I will say recycled oil makes sense on paper though since the oil never actually dies just the detergent makes the oils dirty and that is its job but once they run out the stuff will get thick and we all know what happens then.


$miley

 

[Two Dog]

Maybe I didn't read this correctly (still early), but would NOACK losses maybe account for why some people empty their catch cans regularly, while some barely have any at all?

 

[Burla]

I;m not sure, but it would be easy to test that. You would just need to know who was running what oil (Brand and Weight) and just look up the noack, it is easily available on every oil.

 

[smiley]

Time of year would also come into it along with how much is actually oil vs moisture.


$miley

 

[kkreit01]

Pretty sad that it failed, but the store brand dinos didn't.

 

[dodge dude94]

Pretty sad that it failed, but the store brand dinos didn't.

That's exactly why I have no issues with running Walmart ATF4 in my transmission and t-case.

 

[BlownGP]

Dear lord, just reading this is making me confused. Burla, It's awesome that you know so much about this stuff and share it with us. But sometimes, things need to be clarified for us in laymans terms haha.

Maybe make a thread explaining the charts of oils, and how to determine the best for your application? I'd read that.

I would like a list. 1,2,3,4 etc from top to bottom of the best oil.

Just want a good oil for stock 5.7 that I can get without braking the bank and will be good for the engine.

MotoX

You know I'm on my 2nd round of using Supertech Synthetic oil. I dont know where it ranks on Burla's list but no problems what so ever and it's cheap compared to other Synthetics.

Oh hell no blowngp, did you just call me a lubrication geek in a round about way? Ok back to basics time, lol.

haha... Yes sir

 

[BlownGP]

Btw, what do you think of the Purolator Synthetic oil filters? I use the PurOne now, but wondering if the Synthetic would be better for going farther on the oil.

 

[Burla]

Btw, what do you think of the Purolator Synthetic oil filters? I use the PurOne now, but wondering if the Synthetic would be better for going farther on the oil.

You get the silence treatment for like 10 seconds....



ok then.

Man I just cut open a pure one and if I had an advisory it would be simply to not use pure one or any paper filter over 3 months. Any synthetic has to be better IMO. It is going to take another 6 months before I cut open my RP filter, but I can't imagine it being as bad as when I cut the paper filter with 5000 miles on it. It was just hard crusty paper that wasn't filtering anything. It is nobody's fault but mine, I just got lazy I knew it wouldn't last that long as i've cut open other paper filters and have seen the same thing. Actually I am going to do some research on cutting open synthetic filters because anyone wanting a long OCI needs to have a filter that filters, go figure. I think everyone should do some research on filters and find out if the synthetic ones avoid becoming brittle. If not I would recommend anyone at least changing their filter in between oil changes if you are running top shelf oil.

Youtube on 10k miles synthetic filter, maybe it isn't a bad idea to change filters every 6 months no matter what else you decide to do. Some oil really doesn't need to be changed at that point, but it looks like the filters might be. Figuring this filter thing out is a work in progress for me as well.

Honestly, the best thing for any truck even gas would be a bypass unit, it is just that they are so expensive to change. It would be nice if some after market company would make a bypass for factory filters. It would be nothing to change those out with cheap paper filters every 3 months.

 

[arod412]

I'm definatly interested in your thoughts on the oil filters. Once spring comes around, I'm getting some redline for my truck. Filter quality is important as well. Don't shoot me but I don't have a catch can yet....maybe by summer time.

Love the insight you have on the oils...yes sometimes its a little technical, I just keep reading ( and googling some of those abbreviations help) and all of it is great information.

 

[Burla]

Glad to help. I have to admit I wasn't sold on the catch can idea at first, because gas burns dirty as well. However, after being a member here I would literally say it is the most important mod for my truck. Definitely the best thing I've learned here so far along with using my Tow Haul button. I will have one installed before my next oil change.

As for filters, at this point your guess is good as mine, I will know more when I cut them open. I decided to change my oil in late summer no matter what my oil analysis says. I will feel more comfortable in the future going long OCI's when I have a catch can and I know more about filters as well, and how the analysis comes back. I will say with the plastic bag technique, it was very easy to change the filter without any mess to speak of. If I was to use paper I would just change that every 3 months and add oil to level.

 

[Burla]

It would be nice to have some other forum members cut their filters open from time to time as well. Maybe post up the info in the synthetic thread, seams to be the thread for anything oil related.

 

[smiley]

I have cut open the Bosch distance plus I'll look for the pictures I took.


$miley

 

[chrisb38002]

I will be changing my oil within the next couple weeks. I have the dealer installed Mopar filter on now, and will have 3500 - 4000 miles on it. I will try to cut it open and see what it looks like inside.
Great information here.

 

[hemihustlin]

But definitely get a synthetic filter though, that really makes a difference. Anyhow, just wanted to alert anyone using next gen, and I learned something as well. I had no idea that was recycled oil, lol. Good point, why the hell would we want to run that? Clearly, there is a performance problem with such a product. There are a ton of uses for recycled oil, we don't have to put it back in our engines. Recycled Oil is a FAIL IMO.

Why is recycled oil fail oil? Not saying valvoline has the process or not but:

If theroeticly you can recycle oil almost infinitly by basicly cleaning out the crap and redistilling it and then its just like oil that came out of the ground and then they do their thing what wrong with that?
Other than that it is still dino oil at heart and we should all be using syn?
Are groups 4&5 much more worthy of being recycled?

 

[Burla]

All oil is recycled and that is great. If all that oil was wasted, that would be one thing, but we have important uses for all that recycled oil. I just don't want it in my truck, but y'all can run it in yours if you like. The oil has been subjected to explosions, metal wear, acid buildup, fuel dilution, oxidation, moisture, etc. A lot of these processes seam to me that they would denature the oil as opposed to just being byproducts in the oil. I wouldn't understand the process that brings that oil back to life, and don't understand what that engine environment does to the oil molecules in the first place. I understand what a company might "say", but I wouldn't understand how it actually works. It's not for me.

 

[hemihustlin]

I understand the not in my backyard opinion because im not putting it in my truck either but ( assuming it meets specs) i think it would be quite resonable for the average joe. It should naturally cost less and be enviromently more friendly (as they say ) than regular dino.

Maybe ill go read more about the process and ill come back with a more clear idea

 

[BlownGP]

You get the silence treatment for like 10 seconds....



ok then.

Man I just cut open a pure one and if I had an advisory it would be simply to not use pure one or any paper filter over 3 months. Any synthetic has to be better IMO. It is going to take another 6 months before I cut open my RP filter, but I can't imagine it being as bad as when I cut the paper filter with 5000 miles on it. It was just hard crusty paper that wasn't filtering anything. It is nobody's fault but mine, I just got lazy I knew it wouldn't last that long as i've cut open other paper filters and have seen the same thing. Actually I am going to do some research on cutting open synthetic filters because anyone wanting a long OCI needs to have a filter that filters, go figure. I think everyone should do some research on filters and find out if the synthetic ones avoid becoming brittle. If not I would recommend anyone at least changing their filter in between oil changes if you are running top shelf oil.

Youtube on 10k miles synthetic filter, maybe it isn't a bad idea to change filters every 6 months no matter what else you decide to do. Some oil really doesn't need to be changed at that point, but it looks like the filters might be. Figuring this filter thing out is a work in progress for me as well.

Honestly, the best thing for any truck even gas would be a bypass unit, it is just that they are so expensive to change. It would be nice if some after market company would make a bypass for factory filters. It would be nothing to change those out with cheap paper filters every 3 months.

Thanks buddy. I will look into..

I will read up on bob the oil guy forum too

 

[NYCruiser]

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