Synthetic Oil

[Burla]

Kyle just run 0w16 you will get that mileage back.

 

[U&A]

Kyle just run 0w16 you will get that mileage back.

Already am,

My local gas station carries their own brand of 0W 16.

I decided to run oil that thin because Chrysler designed the 6.4 with extremely tight tolerances. 40W oil won’t fit in between any of the metal parts anymore. Also I want much lower oil pressure because that obviously equals a lot more flow which is way better for my valve train when I have really long idle times.

To help even further I reprogrammed my PCM to run at a lower idle rpm’s to save more gas. I also lowered my shift point RPMs to help the engine lug a little bit more resulting in better fuel mileage.

Have an appointment next week to take my 488 gears out and and install 321s









Disclaimer,

Im full of ****


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[Burla]

Gasp, oh whew he was jok'n.

Funny how a gov't can say that we are destroying the earth and the sky is falling, but order more polutive gas on a whim because gas prices were too high? The only break out the "climate change" card when it suits them. Wield the sword when you need it to explain short comings like blaming the fires for climate change, but then change an established procedure to help climate change because people are mad over gas prices. Force us into low oil weight mds engines because of their agenda, but then change their agenda when it suits them. Boys stop drinking their koolaid, and run some damn oil in those rigs. My momma always said drinking koolaid aint good for ya.

Guys read this **** when the gov't was half way reasonable, 2001. From Diamond Chrysler testing ******* 20 weight oils and READ their conclusion, ****. Viscosity is still the most important feature in an oil and hths is the best way to read a viscosity, but consider the triangle as a whole. That was from the folks at SAE.org!!

Two programs were conducted to study the relationships between engine oil rheology and crankshaft bearing wear. A Chassis Dynamometer test of four oils in four cars was used to explore and define the key variables affecting bearing wear. These results were used to design a Field Test of nine oils in 45 taxicabs in New York City. The test oils (SAE OW-20 to 20W-20) were formulated to measure the effects of viscosity, viscosity index improver, and detergent inhibitor package. Bearing wear tended to be either low and unremarkable or very high, particularly in the thrust bearings. Oil performance was best expressed as the frequency of excessive wear, rather than by quantitative wear measurement. There were many instances of very high wear in cabs operated with the lowest viscosity oils but none in cabs with higher viscosity oils. Non-Newtonian oils appeared to provide slightly more protection than Newtonian oils of the same HTHS viscosity, and a higher quality adpack also appeared to provide benefits. However, these factors were secondary to the viscosity of the oil. HTHS viscosity was a better predictor of bearing wear performance than oil film thickness.

JAPAN, they found a way to make us trade our trucks in early with cam issues and junk trucks with a lot of mileage left in them for their agenda AFTER 2001. Hmm, who took office after this? Don't be a sheeple. Ten bucks when sae figures out this old text they will take it down, lol.

 

[Burla]

******* field test results 922342!! Maybe not Chrysler, have to look harder. But still. And that was 1992, what changed? Did all of a sudden they make an oil that was 20 weight protect like a 30 weight? lol.

Newtonian oils just means thin oils.

Go back and read and commit to memory guys, one sentence above all else. Bearing wear tended to be either low and unremarkable or very high, particularly in the thrust bearings depending if the oil was thin or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Low or Very High, umm derum I'll take some of the very high bearing wear in my truck please, WTF.

 

[Hemi395]

Already am,

My local gas station carries their own brand of 0W 16.

I decided to run oil that thin because Chrysler designed the 6.4 with extremely tight tolerances. 40W oil won’t fit in between any of the metal parts anymore. Also I want much lower oil pressure because that obviously equals a lot more flow which is way better for my valve train when I have really long idle times.

To help even further I reprogrammed my PCM to run at a lower idle rpm’s to save more gas. I also lowered my shift point RPMs to help the engine lug a little bit more resulting in better fuel mileage.

Have an appointment next week to take my 488 gears out and and install 321s









Disclaimer,

Im full of ****


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LOL

 

[Hemi395]

So Kyle when is the hybrid motor and the CVT going in?

 

[Hemi395]

Gasp, oh whew he was jok'n.

Funny how a gov't can say that we are destroying the earth and the sky is falling, but order more polutive gas on a whim because gas prices were too high? The only break out the "climate change" card when it suits them. Wield the sword when you need it to explain short comings like blaming the fires for climate change, but then change an established procedure to help climate change because people are mad over gas prices. Force us into low oil weight mds engines because of their agenda, but then change their agenda when it suits them. Boys stop drinking their koolaid, and run some damn oil in those rigs. My momma always said drinking koolaid aint good for ya.

Guys read this **** when the gov't was half way reasonable, 2001. From Diamond Chrysler testing ******* 20 weight oils and READ their conclusion, ****. Viscosity is still the most important feature in an oil and hths is the best way to read a viscosity, but consider the triangle as a whole. That was from the folks at SAE.org!!

Two programs were conducted to study the relationships between engine oil rheology and crankshaft bearing wear. A Chassis Dynamometer test of four oils in four cars was used to explore and define the key variables affecting bearing wear. These results were used to design a Field Test of nine oils in 45 taxicabs in New York City. The test oils (SAE OW-20 to 20W-20) were formulated to measure the effects of viscosity, viscosity index improver, and detergent inhibitor package. Bearing wear tended to be either low and unremarkable or very high, particularly in the thrust bearings. Oil performance was best expressed as the frequency of excessive wear, rather than by quantitative wear measurement. There were many instances of very high wear in cabs operated with the lowest viscosity oils but none in cabs with higher viscosity oils. Non-Newtonian oils appeared to provide slightly more protection than Newtonian oils of the same HTHS viscosity, and a higher quality adpack also appeared to provide benefits. However, these factors were secondary to the viscosity of the oil. HTHS viscosity was a better predictor of bearing wear performance than oil film thickness.

JAPAN, they found a way to make us trade our trucks in early with cam issues and junk trucks with a lot of mileage left in them for their agenda AFTER 2001. Hmm, who took office after this? Don't be a sheeple. Ten bucks when sae figures out this old text they will take it down, lol.

Lol and this is on SAEs website LOL

 

[Burla]

Do you want another side with your fries and burger sir?

Yeah can you add some low viscosity high bearing wear oil with that?

LOL< cmon man. What else can I do for you fellas? I am outta tricks, if yaw'll still want that twenty weight I wish you luck on it.

 

[Burla]

I missed something, the test oils were 0w20 and 20w20, in other words an oil with vii's and an oil w/o vii's, lol. I wonder if that is a mis print, the conclusion is the same, thin oil = EXTREMELY high wear and thicker oil was near no remarkable wear.

 

[Burla]

The difference between 20w20 and SAE 20 is neither have vii's, but 20w20 has PPD's so it can be more functional in the cold. I looked it up, actually never heard of that weight apparently it had been discussed at boob's. It will perform similar to a 5w30, assuming your standard otc group 3 stuff. The base oil is actually thicker for 20w20 then 5w30 before they add the vii's to 5w30 to make it 5w30. So think long oci stability and very low shear rates compared to 0w20 they used in the test. Basically 20w20 is very similar to a 5w30 over an oci is basic terms, whereas 0w20 is not. And just that difference a 20w20 versus a 0w20 lead to very high wear compared to almost no wear. wow?

I'm kinda blown away by that, I'm kinda blown away at my gov't agenda even when faced with info like this. They actually educate us to destroy our own equipment prematurely because they need new auto sales to keep their economy healthy, and seemingly nobody seams to care about it. You will never hear this story on cnn, in fact you would likely hear the other side of it if you ever where to hear anything on it. Extremely high wear versus no remarkable wear, both 20 weight oils. I think we need to start paying more attention 5w20 versus 5w30 and wear in uoa's. We need a couple guys to run 5w30 and 5w20 and do a uoa, need I say that guys with hemi tick don't need to apply. Just food for thought.

 

[Burla]

High aw/ep additive oils versus low additive oils are another consideration. As long as this thread is going we still need a few years more and dedicated people to come up with conclusions, or realize those conclusions would only be a small sample size thus not conclusive. Probably rather then chase this info, just use some common sense with oil selection.

 

[joshuaeb09]

Do you want another side with your fries and burger sir?

Yeah can you add some low viscosity high bearing wear oil with that?

LOL< cmon man. What else can I do for you fellas? I am outta tricks, if yaw'll still want that twenty weight I wish you luck on it.

20 weights have been dead to me for years. Its either 5w30 or 0w40 for me with 5-6k OCI's even if it costs me a little more on gassers. On another note I might have find a cheaper solution for my 5.7L (Only due to low costs on sourcing). Dumped out the PUP/PP/RL leftover mix at 4k since it was starting to tick and replaced it with a case of Edge 0W40 (A3/B4 which as far as I've found is a good PAO), 15oz of Lubeguard, and topped off with some of my leftover RL 0W40 (Still my go to for the 6.4 which sees far fewer miles). Oil pressure at hot idle is 44PSI, never goes over 75 PSI at redline, and hot damn its the quietest its ever been. I'll see how long that lasts, but for a sub $30 oil change I'll be happy even if its only good for a 4-5K OCI.

 

[Burla]

sounds like you found a good oil, 0w40 edge?

 

[joshuaeb09]

sounds like you found a good oil, 0w40 edge?

Yea it would be this stuff. Not really sold on running it solo without any moly, but for the price i'm getting it at I can dump a bottle of lubeguard into it and still have a dirt cheap oil change. The other 5.7's in the family which have considerably more miles on them have been running it straight per the OLM and aren't ticking or having any cold start knock so it's doing something right in those motors.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4089446/1/VOA_Castrol_Edge_with_Ti_-_0w4

 

[U&A]

So Kyle when is the hybrid motor and the CVT going in?

No.....

But i heard from a guy at work if you start using Amsoil than your wifes boobs will get bigger and you get an automatic membership to BITOG.

Sound like a good deal.




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[Hemi395]

No.....

But i heard from a guy at work if you start using Amsoil than your wifes boobs will get bigger and you get an automatic membership to BITOG.

Sound like a good deal.




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Well **** no wonder they're all about it over there at bobs

 

[U&A]

To all that use amsoil. Im just messing around[emoji23][emoji23]


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[chrisbh17]

No.....

But i heard from a guy at work if you start using Amsoil than your wifes boobs will get bigger and you get an automatic membership to BITOG.

Sound like a good deal.




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Are you serious?

Do I need to rub it right on them or have her drink it from a glass?

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[U&A]

Are you serious?

Do I need to rub it right on them or have her drink it from a glass?

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The real question is if I show your wife your post is she going to get mad?

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[U&A]

Ok ok oil,


Just wanted to do a quick update on the redline 5W 40 I am running in my 6.4.

Long story short for those who don’t know. on and off I have been battling coldstart clatter that last for about 1-2 seconds. Redline 10w40 has shown the best results so far but I want to find oil that I can run year around being I can’t run 10 W in Michigan winters.

The 5w40 has been in for about 300 miles and i have not had cold start clatter yet!


Edit: The frequency of my cold start clatter has been random. I can go months without it and then have it every start for a couple days or up to a week on and off. 10W-40 gave almost a full six months without coldstart clatter.

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