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[Burla]

Good to know, Amsoil has retained their rep for being a long interval oil. They have good moly level as well, it was over 200ppm? You might want to keep using it if it serves you well.

 

[clint440]

Good to know, Amsoil has retained their rep for being a long interval oil. They have good moly level as well, it was over 200ppm? You might want to keep using it if it serves you well.

Yes, 252 molybdenum. 861 Zinc.

I can post the analysis but I didn't want to hijack the thread or start another oil thread and risk an oil war

 

[Burla]

It's all good, as long as people don't make personal attacks we are pretty liberal with what is posted. There are a couple spots better to post that and that would be great and beneficial. Syn thread and blackstone thread, thanks that is great info, I'm sure you can post it here if you wish as well.

 

[Burla]

Yes, 252 molybdenum. 861 Zinc.

I can post the analysis but I didn't want to hijack the thread or start another oil thread and risk an oil war

how was the wear numbers?

 

[meedom]

 

[clint440]

Here it is. Copper was flagged, unsure why. Silicon is higher than I'm use to but I attribute that to the KN air filter that I inherited on pickup. I was happy with the iron wear.

First use of Amsoil at 20k, measured at 30k. Just changed the filter out.

 

[Burla]

Here it is. Copper was flagged, unsure why. Silicon is higher than I'm use to but I attribute that to the KN air filter that I inherited on pickup. I was happy with the iron wear.

First use of Amsoil at 20k, measured at 30k. Just changed the filter out.

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Hey thanks for posting, really. I was hoping we could be in awe of your results, I was hoping the Amsoil would be all really low wear numbers, but it wasn't. Not a knock on Amsoil, redline uoa's have sometimes looked like that as well. That copper number would be very high in a different application, that is why it is flagged. But, it seams like normal "hemi" wear. You might want to run some more uoa's and see if the wear comes down, and maybe look at h395 and rilk's uoa's in comparison. You wouldn't want to judge an oil on a single uoa, but rather three or 4. If the wear is coming down, well then your oil is serving you well. I would say this, If that was my truck at 30k, I would want lower wear numbers, especially if I didn't have hemi tick. Consider doing another uoa, if it doesn't go lower look into oils that are shown to give lower wear numbers over time, PUP being one as well. IMO iron and copper are a little high for 30k miles.

 

[Burla]

Clint that was only 20 weight Amsoil? cSt was a little high for 20, which is good imo.

 

[clint440]

Clint that was only 20 weight Amsoil? cSt was a little high for 20, which is good imo.

Yes only 20 weight and thought it was strong. Some of the non-amsoil I've tested in my motorcycle likes to break down in viscosity. I know it's not apples to apples either.

Well I've looked at a few Hemi UOA with less miles on samples and have seen more iron wear. 36 seems decent to me. It's also low compared to my last rig (Touareg V10 TDI) and compares to my motorcycle (R1200GS). Judging through other analysis comments, I attributed the wear to break-in.

The air filter seems like a weak link, that's higher than I what I have seen from my other vehicle filtration setups. Probably will replace the KN. I definitely would want to see less copper for sure.

I definitely will sample again and check out the samples you mentioned.

 

[U&A]

Somewhere around 30k ish.

Wow!

30,000 on that old girl. Thats cool


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[Burla]

Yes. I was a lurker here for quite a while and read a lot of informative posts. thank you kindly for the great topic discussions. much appreciated.
FWIW, my 2017 is my 3rd ram. Before i leased my noisy 2015 ram, I had an 04 QC since new. sold it with 172k. it was a good old non MDS 5.7. Besides normal maintenance and upkeep, it only needed wheel bearings, a PCM and starter. ran 5/30 penzoil dino oil at 3k intervals. it still ran solid when i sold it. When my 15 started making noise, i was so aggravated that a brand new truck sounded horrible compared to my old 04.
One thing i also forgot to mention about my 2015.
at about 6k and when it got cold outside, it had crazy loud piston slap until warmed up. it would clatter only between approx 115-150 degrees in gear. sounded like a diesel. its cold in NJ now, and my 17 makes no noise. I'm sticking with the 5/30 red line.

I bought my truck with 30K on it. It had a slight hemi tick that bothered me and it had just gotten the oil changed by the dealer so I didn't want to spend the money to change the oil. After about 2 weeks I was over it and bought some RL 5w30 from Nick on here and changed it out. After about 400 ish miles the tick is gone and its quiet. Still need to change the oil filter out to a Royal Purple like everyone suggest but I'll be sticking with RL 5w30.

2 new faces, 2 more success stories, this is why we keep doing what we do despite everyone calling us names and personal attacks like you wouldn't believe. Thank you guys for sharing, it means a lot to do some good meanwhile battling old "oil guys" who think they have it all solved.

 

[U&A]

2016 RAM 3500, 6.4 Hemi, SRW, 4x4, long bed.

Blackstone flagged the viscosity but the viscosity that the calculated is EXACTLY the same viscosity of the oil when new. Lets see another oil hold viscosity like that.



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[Burla]

looks like my old girlfriends blood, that bch was low iron too.

 

[Hemi395]

This was my last UOA running Redline 5w30. I was absolutely shocked at how good this was.

This run was towing my camper from MA to Utah with the bed loaded up, 2 adults, 2 kids, and all our supplies. Plus a trip from Utah to the Grand Canyon and back without the camper. Keep in mind this was in the summer heat through the Rockies and up the Ike Gauntlet on the way back. I completely expected wear numbers to be off the charts. Even Blackstone commented on how good it was.

 

[U&A]

This was my last UOA running Redline 5w30. I was absolutely shocked at how good this was.

This run was towing my camper from MA to Utah with the bed loaded up, 2 adults, 2 kids, and all our supplies. Plus a trip from Utah to the Grand Canyon and back without the camper. Keep in mind this was in the summer heat through the Rockies and up the Ike Gauntlet on the way back. I completely expected wear numbers to be off the charts. Even Blackstone commented on how good it was.

I always love seeing that UOA Cory. Its AMAZING.


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[clint440]

Hey thanks for posting, really. I was hoping we could be in awe of your results, I was hoping the Amsoil would be all really low wear numbers, but it wasn't. Not a knock on Amsoil, redline uoa's have sometimes looked like that as well. That copper number would be very high in a different application, that is why it is flagged. But, it seams like normal "hemi" wear. You might want to run some more uoa's and see if the wear comes down, and maybe look at h395 and rilk's uoa's in comparison. You wouldn't want to judge an oil on a single uoa, but rather three or 4. If the wear is coming down, well then your oil is serving you well. I would say this, If that was my truck at 30k, I would want lower wear numbers, especially if I didn't have hemi tick. Consider doing another uoa, if it doesn't go lower look into oils that are shown to give lower wear numbers over time, PUP being one as well. IMO iron and copper are a little high for 30k miles.

One thing to point out, my provided analysis is sampled at nearly 10k miles on the oil. Looking at some of the other results, there sampled at shorter intervals, some are half. I'm feeling ok with my choice so far. Time and further analysis will tell..

 

[R.L.K.]

Here's my latest Redline UOA with about 9,550 miles on it with quite a bit of towing combined with a bunch of highway miles as well .

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[R.L.K.]

This was my last UOA running Redline 5w30. I was absolutely shocked at how good this was.

This run was towing my camper from MA to Utah with the bed loaded up, 2 adults, 2 kids, and all our supplies. Plus a trip from Utah to the Grand Canyon and back without the camper. Keep in mind this was in the summer heat through the Rockies and up the Ike Gauntlet on the way back. I completely expected wear numbers to be off the charts. Even Blackstone commented on how good it was.

That's an AWESOME UOA for sure !

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[Burla]

Oops

Anyhow Clint, like I said the great thing about those uoa's that were added was to show you the direction of the wear numbers, they are substantially better as time goes on. Nothing wrong with your choice, especially now, but if wear doesn't drop like the last three guys, why run the oil at that point? Too early to judge, but you can judge those three redline uoa's? purdy good?

 

[Burla]

That's an AWESOME UOA for sure !

Not only towing heavy up the Ike, but let us not forget this is someone with hemi tick, and Kyle's as well, which adds more wear to the uoa. So not to compare oils or anything, but the one thing we didn't know with this killing ticks was it masking the tick or curing it? Well if the wear is dropping in every truck that runs redline that has hemi tick, wouldn't that suggest it is doing more then just silencing the tick but actually giving the hemi adequate lubrication that was previously being denied?

Do we have a lubrication problem that when you give it proper lubrication the problem solved in a meaningful way? UOA's suggest yes. Not just saying the only answer is redline, maybe a different oil could have accomplished this, but the fact is "this" is being accomplished, adequate lubrication is happening if you believe the science of the uoa's. If their cam lobs were being worn to the nub like other trucks, wouldn't we see high wear numbers? What are the cams made of? I don't know? Iron, chromium?