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I see no issues with it. If someone really wants to get one over on somebody else they will find a way to do it. Is it possible that it might not be used for what it is intended, yes quite so. But the same can be said about a fork or spoon.


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The thing that kind of changes the whole debate is you can easily purchase a cluster from eBay or any wrecking yard with whatever mileage you want and stick it in your truck and sell the truck. The alpha tool having the capability just gives you one more way to deceive somebody but it wouldn't be hard to do it in the first place. You could have your truck with 80,000 miles on it and send your own cluster in and have it re program for $99 a change it to 50,000 and most people would never know. Unfortunately it just seems to be something that Chrysler did that I personally don't agree with When the speedometer retains the mileage. I think it would have been much better if they just had speedometer automatically read the mileage off the pcm like most other ones do. I know the mileage is also stored in the pcm but how many guys are going to actually know to take it to a dealer in have that checked If they purchase a used Ram? I bet very few.

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I see no issues with it. If someone really wants to get one over on somebody else they will find a way to do it. Is it possible that it might not be used for what it is intended, yes quite so. But the same can be said about a fork or spoon.


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How would you feel about it if it devalues your truck? Sure, there are ways of correcting mileage other ways but that ability is severely limited right now. If all a sudden the masses can change mileage easily with an app, the market will be flooded with trucks that cannot easily be determined if their mileage is accurate. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have the ability for the same reason as most of us, to swap clusters. But I think it's playing with fire.


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If AlfaOBD gets (legal) problems because of these features (odometer), then we may not have AlfaOBD....

Sometimes more is not that good....
Now that is an argument that makes sense. I always worry about the app running into legal problems with Chrysler as it is because it can do so much that they don't want us to do. I actually completely keep my tablet disconnect or from Wi-Fi just in case something happens I know that app is going to stay in my tablet. I only turn the Wi-Fi back on when I'm updating the app and then I turn it back off.

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If AlfaOBD gets (legal) problems because of these features (odometer), then we may not have AlfaOBD....

Sometimes more is not that good....

If nobody makes a big deal of it, then it won’t be an issue. Issues like these use get brought to the attention of the legal side of things when some “goody two shoes” aka teachers pet aka rat tattles on someone.


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Show me a link bc I'm calling bs


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Go to eBay and just do a search for OBDStar


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Go to eBay and just do a search for OBDStar


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Nothing OBDstar will correct mileage on our trucks. Just bc it says mileage correction doesn't mean it can on every make. In fact most of those can only do a handful of manufacturers at best. I've put a lot of research into this and nothing short of a $2k plus scanner is gonna do it.


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Regardless if alphaobd ends up giving us the capability to change mileage and hours there is always a way to do it. Buying a new cluster for $75-$300 (depending on if you want a base cluster with low miles) with less miles to add a grand or more in value, sending the cluster off for $100+ to set lower miles to add value, or doing it yourself with a ebay programmer (found a couple that said should work on 13+ rams for around $450. Or if he can give us the ability your looking at a minimum of ~$65 (app and elm327, if the elm327 could connect to the cluster) to ~$200 for the app, mx/+ and a cheap android device. I just downloaded 2 apps that say it can change mileage. Going to test later. If either works than it doesn't matter if alphaobd will be able too. FCA could come down on him for what he's doing now. Modifying and accessing software that they only have rights too. They could come down on M2Mods or other companies for making a security bypass.

The whole mileage change thing isn't a ram issue, or a alphaobd issue, it's a people problem. It's easy already. He's just saving the people with alphaobd already some money.

Edit: hell just by swapping in a new cluster, even with the correct mileage and hours, brings up red flags for people and unless video documented and documented with the dmv and dealer you're already breaking the law.

There is a thread on cummins forum about people having issues with their original clusters engine and or idle hour's just resetting to 0 for no reason. So automatically they have to declare that the hour's aren't correct or have been fixed.

Everything we do to our trucks is technically "illegal" in someone's eyes, FCA or the government. I say let it be, it's not a new slippery slope, it's been in place for years. I'm for the ability to, and scammers will always find a way to make a extra buck off of someone.

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Regardless if alphaobd ends up giving us the capability to change mileage and hours there is always a way to do it. Buying a new cluster for $75-$300 (depending on if you want a base cluster with low miles) with less miles to add a grand or more in value, sending the cluster off for $100+ to set lower miles to add value, or doing it yourself with a ebay programmer (found a couple that said should work on 13+ rams for around $450. Or if he can give us the ability your looking at a minimum of ~$65 (app and elm327, if the elm327 could connect to the cluster) to ~$200 for the app, mx/+ and a cheap android device. I just downloaded 2 apps that say it can change mileage. Going to test later. If either works than it doesn't matter if alphaobd will be able too. FCA could come down on him for what he's doing now. Modifying and accessing software that they only have rights too. They could come down on M2Mods or other companies for making a security bypass.

The whole mileage change thing isn't a ram issue, or a alphaobd issue, it's a people problem. It's easy already. He's just saving the people with alphaobd already some money.

Edit: hell just by swapping in a new cluster, even with the correct mileage and hours, brings up red flags for people and unless video documented and documented with the dmv and dealer you're already breaking the law.

There is a thread on cummins forum about people having issues with their original clusters engine and or idle hour's just resetting to 0 for no reason. So automatically they have to declare that the hour's aren't correct or have been fixed.

Everything we do to our trucks is technically "illegal" in someone's eyes, FCA or the government. I say let it be, it's not a new slippery slope, it's been in place for years. I'm for the ability to, and scammers will always find a way to make a extra buck off of someone.

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What are these new apps that you speak of? (Or better yet what did you search for to find them)
 

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What are these new apps that you speak of? (Or better yet what did you search for to find them)

For iOS I found jprog and Android I found a apk file for an app. I just started searching odometer correction tools and kept going from there. You can try android app mileage change

The jprog one I'm not sure if you have to pay to actually use it. The website is speedoshop.com


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Regardless if alphaobd ends up giving us the capability to change mileage and hours there is always a way to do it. Buying a new cluster for $75-$300 (depending on if you want a base cluster with low miles) with less miles to add a grand or more in value, sending the cluster off for $100+ to set lower miles to add value, or doing it yourself with a ebay programmer (found a couple that said should work on 13+ rams for around $450. Or if he can give us the ability your looking at a minimum of ~$65 (app and elm327, if the elm327 could connect to the cluster) to ~$200 for the app, mx/+ and a cheap android device. I just downloaded 2 apps that say it can change mileage. Going to test later. If either works than it doesn't matter if alphaobd will be able too. FCA could come down on him for what he's doing now. Modifying and accessing software that they only have rights too. They could come down on M2Mods or other companies for making a security bypass.

The whole mileage change thing isn't a ram issue, or a alphaobd issue, it's a people problem. It's easy already. He's just saving the people with alphaobd already some money.

Edit: hell just by swapping in a new cluster, even with the correct mileage and hours, brings up red flags for people and unless video documented and documented with the dmv and dealer you're already breaking the law.

There is a thread on cummins forum about people having issues with their original clusters engine and or idle hour's just resetting to 0 for no reason. So automatically they have to declare that the hour's aren't correct or have been fixed.

Everything we do to our trucks is technically "illegal" in someone's eyes, FCA or the government. I say let it be, it's not a new slippery slope, it's been in place for years. I'm for the ability to, and scammers will always find a way to make a extra buck off of someone.

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Regardless if alphaobd ends up giving us the capability to change mileage and hours there is always a way to do it. Buying a new cluster for $75-$300 (depending on if you want a base cluster with low miles) with less miles to add a grand or more in value, sending the cluster off for $100+ to set lower miles to add value, or doing it yourself with a ebay programmer (found a couple that said should work on 13+ rams for around $450. Or if he can give us the ability your looking at a minimum of ~$65 (app and elm327, if the elm327 could connect to the cluster) to ~$200 for the app, mx/+ and a cheap android device. I just downloaded 2 apps that say it can change mileage. Going to test later. If either works than it doesn't matter if alphaobd will be able too. FCA could come down on him for what he's doing now. Modifying and accessing software that they only have rights too. They could come down on M2Mods or other companies for making a security bypass.

The whole mileage change thing isn't a ram issue, or a alphaobd issue, it's a people problem. It's easy already. He's just saving the people with alphaobd already some money.

Edit: hell just by swapping in a new cluster, even with the correct mileage and hours, brings up red flags for people and unless video documented and documented with the dmv and dealer you're already breaking the law.

There is a thread on cummins forum about people having issues with their original clusters engine and or idle hour's just resetting to 0 for no reason. So automatically they have to declare that the hour's aren't correct or have been fixed.

Everything we do to our trucks is technically "illegal" in someone's eyes, FCA or the government. I say let it be, it's not a new slippery slope, it's been in place for years. I'm for the ability to, and scammers will always find a way to make a extra buck off of someone.

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i don’t think the term everything we do to our trucks is illegal to some one eyes.
If I add some options to my truck that didn’t come from the factory example trailer brake module or led bed lights it’s not illegal .
It’s more a route for the delearship to void warranty for certain things in the truck if that workmanship causes a issue with the truck .
At the end of the day I own the truck and we all know the void Warranty stuff that comes up .
Not trying to have a ******* contest here but saying everything we do to our trucks illegal in some way or another doesn’t sit well with me .
Maybe I stand to be corrected ?
 
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What people need to remember is it can be easily checked by any dealer if there is suspicion of tampering. That is how most get caught. It is not only stored in the EVIC. The Alfa program from what I can see is only changing the EVIC. Anyone can deceive a potential buyer by many other means if they wanted to.
 

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For iOS I found jprog and Android I found a apk file for an app. I just started searching odometer correction tools and kept going from there. You can try android app mileage change

The jprog one I'm not sure if you have to pay to actually use it. The website is speedoshop.com


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I've tried to get a hold of speedoshop. Jprog was the only one that I saw physical proof it could do it. Myself and another member both reached out and never heard back.
It just goes back to my point that it's not as easy as it seems. Sure a few places can do it but it takes effort to remove your cluster and ship it off. With Alfa it would be something literally any monkey can do.
If it gets added to Alfa then great. I just think there will be some backlash if it happens.


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I’m not here to get ink a

i don’t think the term everything we do to our trucks is illegal to some one eyes.
If I add some options to my truck that didn’t come from the factory example trailer brake module or led bed lights it’s not illegal .
It’s more a route for the delearship to void warranty for certain things in the truck if that workmanship causes a issue with the truck .
At the end of the day I own the truck and we all know the void Warranty stuff that comes up .
Not trying to have a ******* contest here but saying everything we do to our trucks illegal in some way or another doesn’t sit well with me .
Maybe I stand to be corrected ?

all state's have a lift law. I believe most is no more than 2" than factory and tires are no more than 2 sizes bigger and/or x amount of inches to the bumper or headlights. How much rubber can be exposed from fender (may require flares or flaps). Retro fitting headlights, last time I checked federal law still says halogen only headlights (it's been a few years since I looked) change your exhaust, most states have a law against that (decibels or just aftermarket in general, non oem/replacement). I'm not saying adding oem parts is illegal but FCA could look at how we change or program those oem products as a violation of there copyright software.


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I've tried to get a hold of speedoshop. Jprog was the only one that I saw physical proof it could do it. Myself and another member both reached out and never heard back.
It just goes back to my point that it's not as easy as it seems. Sure a few places can do it but it takes effort to remove your cluster and ship it off. With Alfa it would be something literally any monkey can do.
If it gets added to Alfa then great. I just think there will be some backlash if it happens.


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I tried jprog app and it appears you need their obd2 device to even connect. But swapping a low mileage cluster takes all of 10 minutes and any person can do it. So Alexey adding the ability to change engine hours and mileage just doesn't bother me. If alphaobd could be used on any vehicle with a obd2 port than yeah that could be a problem. As I said before, where there is a will there is a way. Couple hundred dollars to raise the value a couple thousand, a cluster swap is quick and easy. No special tools, no apps, just a few bucks, handheld tools and a few minutes.


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It would be nice if Alfaobd could just copy the mileage and hours from the PCM to the cluster. That would satisfy the legal aspect of changing a cluster and not aide in changing mileage to cheat a buyer.

I would hate to see Alfaobd get shut down for adding the mileage change functionality and eventually it will be if the capability is there.
 

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It would be nice if Alfaobd could just copy the mileage and hours from the PCM to the cluster. That would satisfy the legal aspect of changing a cluster and not aide in changing mileage to cheat a buyer.

Now that, imo, is an excellent idea. You should send it to Alexey!

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