66RFE Trans Fail

[Dusty]

I would try another dealer. This was caused by a loose spin on filter? Please.. How does that even make sense. There was no fluid loss, correct?

There wouldn't be. The small spin on filter is located inside the transmission. It filters the fluid flow from the output line from the radiator.

Regards,
Dusty

2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Now at: 005616 miles.

 

[theviking]

The trans tune is done through the unlocked PCM and HF does this when he's implementing a custom tune correct? Or is there more that can be done with the programming?

Yes, I have a HF custom tune.

 

[Marczing]

Well I would place blame on the last shop that looked at it. Maybe there tech messed with the filter, from what I understand with the service industry, is that the last person that works on it owns it, so they should check over everything and note down fixes or finding so when something like this happens warranties will cover it. I feel that regardless of what happened its a mechanical failure that was going to happen. I would tow it to the last shop that inspected it, since they deemed it was fine, make them own it. I would tell the current Shop that its going back there so they can own it since they messed with it last. I would ask if they help you out they can have the opportunity to fix it.

mf

 

[PoMansRam]

There wouldn't be. The small spin on filter is located inside the transmission. It filters the fluid flow from the output line from the radiator.

Regards,
Dusty

2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Now at: 005616 miles.

I had totally forgotten about that!

So if this filter were indeed loose within the pan, there would be a fluid pressure loss, causing trans components to not get the pressure they need to operate properly.

Unfortunately it's there word against yours and unless you want to go through the time and resources a legal battle would require, we know which way this will lean.

I'm assuming these warranties don't pay the service department well? You'd think they'd take any work they can get.

 

[Dusty]

I had totally forgotten about that!

So if this filter were indeed loose within the pan, there would be a fluid pressure loss, causing trans components to not get the pressure they need to operate properly.

If the spin on filter was totally loose as if it wasn't there, there would be no return pressure to the pump, and that means fluid starvation to the clutches, planetaries, etc. All the fluid from the returm would just empty into the pan. You'd get a code.

But I think this scenario was some flair going into an upper gear, which seems to indicate there was some pump pressure, but maybe not enough. If indeed the spin-on was loose, it would likely get even more loose over time just through vibration.

I'm not sure who did what, but if the failure was from a loose spin-on and there's no sign of a spin-on filter defect, then the person who changed it last owns it.

Best regards,
Dusty

2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Now at: 005616 miles.

 

[Burla]

If the guy tells them he does his trans filter change, then that gives any scumbag dealer an out. You don't need to have a filter loose, just say it is. This guy had problems BEFORE the oil change.

I would never buy a extended warranty from Chrysler, they are piles of **** with their denials. Hit and miss whether they deny you, those scumbags search for any reason to get out of paying and that warranty cost you good money. Someone outta spit some beechnut in any salesman eye asking you to spend thousands on a warranty. I'd sue every time they deny, every freak'n time. Let a judge decide and not some scumbag dealer.

 

[Burla]

Hey OP, find your local lemon law lawyers, if you have a receipt for the problem before the oil change you have a great case. Under magnussem moss they have to prove you caused the damage, impossible to prove if you have a record that pre-dates the diy trans service. If I was a judge, I would love to put a dagger in Chrysler's back denying folks what they paid for.


**** CHRYSLER MAXCARE GARBAGE COSTUMER SERVICE

 

[WY.Ram]

I had totally forgotten about that!

So if this filter were indeed loose within the pan, there would be a fluid pressure loss, causing trans components to not get the pressure they need to operate properly.

Unfortunately it's there word against yours and unless you want to go through the time and resources a legal battle would require, we know which way this will lean.

I'm assuming these warranties don't pay the service department well? You'd think they'd take any work they can get.

Sorry, I missed the point about fluid loss and the location of the filter. Ya, both sump filter and spinner are inside. One reason that I did the "only one turn past gasket contact" filter rule is I wasn't wanting to have to peel the spinner like a crushed bananna from inside the trans. Maybe I should have. Lol


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[Jimmy07]

Hey OP, find your local lemon law lawyers, if you have a receipt for the problem before the oil change you have a great case. Under magnussem moss they have to prove you caused the damage, impossible to prove if you have a record that pre-dates the diy trans service. If I was a judge, I would love to put a dagger in Chrysler's back denying folks what they paid for.


**** CHRYSLER MAXCARE GARBAGE COSTUMER SERVICE

The dealer’s reason for warranty denial is moot. Let’s say they didn’t find anything wrong with the filter, and it’s a legitimate claim. FCA is going to want to know exactly why they’re paying this dealer for a new transmission on warranty. As soon as they find out about the headers, tune, and 5:13 axle, it’d be game over anyway...powertrain warranty void...and rightfully so.

 

[theviking]

Not fair, if anything the 5:13 axle should reduce stress on his trans

 

[WY.Ram]

Hey OP, find your local lemon law lawyers, if you have a receipt for the problem before the oil change you have a great case. Under magnussem moss they have to prove you caused the damage, impossible to prove if you have a record that pre-dates the diy trans service. If I was a judge, I would love to put a dagger in Chrysler's back denying folks what they paid for.


**** CHRYSLER MAXCARE GARBAGE COSTUMER SERVICE

Nope, no such record. I actually didn't realize how significant the delayed engagement indicator was to a trans and its failure. So, when the delayed engagement happened, I checked the fluid level, then I dropped the pan and changed the filters and fluid.

I dont believe my filter was loose. One full turn past gasket contact is pretty damn snug, BUT at this point its mine against theirs.
I did ask for any evidence of burnt trans, sample of burnt smelling fluid, the pan, the filter, or the trans itself. I said I would eat the cost of the core deposit so i could keep old trans.

Nada and that was that, I didnt demand the evidence past the initial ask and they surely didn't produce any. Not one bit, He and I got pretty heated up. Well past the point of when I would have produced evidence had any smack talk'n, gum run'n dude challenged me like that (if I had any evidence to produce), and nothing.

I infer they too had nothing that smelled burnt. YET he claimed he could smell burnt 10ft away.

Lessons learned man, lessons learned. Which is what life is all about, ya? Damn, all these lessons I should be genius by now. Well, hmmmm, I don't feel like....let me ask my wife.

My new trans is badass tho. Truck is running better than it ever has. I can hardly wait to recover from the repair bill so I can fuel her again. : )

Yeah, what you said about MaxCare!



2016 RAM 2500 Puthie Wagon | 392ci w 6spd | CAI w ARH long tubes & MF | Diablo T2 w HF tune | 5.13 AAM w 35" Mickey MTs | Custom Graphics w illegal tint | Dodge Off-Road

 

[WY.Ram]

The dealer’s reason for warranty denial is moot. Let’s say they didn’t find anything wrong with the filter, and it’s a legitimate claim. FCA is going to want to know exactly why they’re paying this dealer for a new transmission on warranty. As soon as they find out about the headers, tune, and 5:13 axle, it’d be game over anyway...powertrain warranty void...and rightfully so.

They could, and would deny because of mods, but these mods improve the loading of the drive train. Although that wouldn't matter to them.

Just for clarity, so anyone interested in similar mods knows the trans was failing before these mods happened. They did not cause failure. I will accept the spinner and I did it before mods did it.

Initial trans failures late June, headers and tune install in late July then the 5.13's in September.

Had I known an October failure was eminent, would I have implemented modifications? I would hope not.

Knowing how well they improved the truck, would I implement modifications before October, dammit I might've. [emoji848]



2016 RAM 2500 Puthie Wagon | 392ci w 6spd | CAI w ARH long tubes & MF | Diablo T2 w HF tune | 5.13 AAM w 35" Mickey MTs | Custom Graphics w illegal tint | Dodge Off-Road

 

[Burla]

records or not, I would still go see lemon law lawyer. Once hired, the case never goes to trial, I know I won one. Gently try and get all the service records from your dealer.

 

[theviking]

So how do you like the 5.13 gears and how much did it change your driving/towing experiences from stock?

 

[WY.Ram]

So how do you like the 5.13 gears and how much did it change your driving/towing experiences from stock?

Beyond what I can describe, beyond my highest expectations that I ever had.
I always liked my truck from day one, but also immediately after I bought it, I was online looking to 'chip' my truck. At 7000ft elevation, she felt like a 400 hp motor trapped inside 10,000lb truck, working like hell to escape and to breathe.

The 5.13s scared me, scared me bad. I knew what the consequences would be as far as Maxcare. And it was going to cost me $2700 to find out if this was what she needed, and probably another $1000 to undo it if I was wrong.

BUT THE GEAR SWAP HAS BEEN NOTHING SHORT OF SPECTACULAR. 5.13s and 34" tires or bigger for this truck are perfect.

I dont live in a slow paced area for traffic either, the traffic on I25 moves in this area at the highest of speeds. 85mph will get ya into the left hand lane but from there, one eye forward and one eye back or get straight plowed from behind. This truck with her 6th speed has no problem with that type of traffic pattern and from there it just gets better.

I cant describe how it brought the entire truck together, tranny shifts when and how its supposed, never lugs down, never hunting for gears, even the shifts are more appropriately crisp but not harsh. Its amazing.

Only way I can say it better is if ANYONE is ever in the South Denver - Colorado Springs area and wants to check it out because they are thinking of such a gear, or just to check it out, let me know and I'll let ya drive. She's one proud RAM, pure beast.

I really struggle with short posts when talking about a RAM, short summary - yeah the 5.13s are pretty cool. Come drive em any time


2016 RAM 2500 Puthie Wagon | 392ci w 6spd | CAI w ARH long tubes & MF | Diablo T2 w HF tune | 5.13 AAM w 35" Mickey MTs | Custom Graphics w illegal tint | Dodge Off-Road

 

[BlackWidow]

I'm a little late to this party but have a question for you. When you did the trans service, did you use all Mopar parts and fluid or aftermarket?

Just curious if that was a give away that something had been done.

Asking as I think I'm in a similar boat with my wife's Ram 2500. We did a trans service on it last summer (with all mopar parts and fluid) and hadn't had any trans issues until last week when it started kicking codes and not wanting to up shift. Currently dealing with codes P0731 through P0735. Her truck is a '14 Ram 2500 CC with the 6.4L, stock 4.10's and 37's (the last 3mos) and 34.5's for the previous 2.5yrs.

I'm hoping we're not too screwed. Local dealer we had the truck towed to automatically laid blame on the 37's for the trans issue. In a week or two planning on having towed to our preferred dealer to take a look at. They're a little more understanding of modded vehicles and have a lot better customer service.

 

[Dawgn86]

When you put on the spin on filter, was onto plastic threads?

 

[RLJ10X]

I wish I had some magic words to convince people to quit throwing away money on extended warranties. The really rotten part of this whole story is that you paid for that transmission repair twice.

Reguardless of what transmission you have, and that includes the 8 speed, (lower) Gears are the real deal in these trucks. The same can be said for the Hemi Fever tune. I could NEVER go back to an untuned 3.55 1500.

For what it's worth, I have all my work done at the dealership. Yeah, it costs a little more. But they'll never blame me for some mythical loose filter.

 

[WY.Ram]

I'm a little late to this party but have a question for you. When you did the trans service, did you use all Mopar parts and fluid or aftermarket?

Just curious if that was a give away that something had been done.

Asking as I think I'm in a similar boat with my wife's Ram 2500. We did a trans service on it last summer (with all mopar parts and fluid) and hadn't had any trans issues until last week when it started kicking codes and not wanting to up shift. Currently dealing with codes P0731 through P0735. Her truck is a '14 Ram 2500 CC with the 6.4L, stock 4.10's and 37's (the last 3mos) and 34.5's for the previous 2.5yrs.

I'm hoping we're not too screwed. Local dealer we had the truck towed to automatically laid blame on the 37's for the trans issue. In a week or two planning on having towed to our preferred dealer to take a look at. They're a little more understanding of modded vehicles and have a lot better customer service.

I still want call this dealership a mahf... Anyway, I think if someone tried to determine if the tranny had been serviced previously they could have done so rather easily due to several indicators I had left behind. First indica tor answers your question: I did not use Mopar parts when I did the trans service.
second thing, I broke a pan bolt being lazy and using an Impact driver to reinstall the pan. I wasn't letting the impact hanmer away, the bolts are tiny but whatever i should not have used an impact.
Next, the pan gasket is and was PermaTex (or equivalent) and did I run a leak free perMatex bead but maybe they could tell from there.
If one were diligent those footsteps are not that big a deal to not leave behind, I Just never thought they would hang the issue on me.
I was in there because of the failing trans, the symptoms did not change with the service, good or bad, it Just continued to fail and they knew it would.
I should have never touched it and several said I should not have ever told them that I did. I could have even reinstalled Mopar filters right before I took it back, but I really never thought they would totally shank me with my Lifetime Warranty.
Variation in Perma tex bead and a pan bolt don't prove anything. They probably wouldn't have had anything towards such a claim had I not told them I had done it.
Biggest fail for me was not going into dealership and collecting evidence of" burned" smelling fluid. If I had done that and caught them lying right there, I think they would have paid for the new trans. I did not though, dammit and They never produced any burned fluid evidence, Just claimed it. I smelled the fluid the night before and It smelled normal to me.
In your case I think they have to prove Your 37s were the cause, not just suggest it. There are enough trucks rolling on 37s that you have proof that the trans does handle them and handles them well.
My trans failure was eminent as I imagine yours was to. so Win that ****.




2016 RAM 2500 pw | 392ci w 6spd | CAI w ARH long tubes & Solo | Diablo T2 w HF tune | 5.13 AAM w 35" Mickey MTs | Custom Graphics w illegal tint | Dodge Off-Road

 

[WY.Ram]

I wish I had some magic words to convince people to quit throwing away money on extended warranties. The really rotten part of this whole story is that you paid for that transmission repair twice.

Reguardless of what transmission you have, and that includes the 8 speed, (lower) Gears are the real deal in these trucks. The same can be said for the Hemi Fever tune. I could NEVER go back to an untuned 3.55 1500.

For what it's worth, I have all my work done at the dealership. Yeah, it costs a little more. But they'll never blame me for some mythical loose filter.

You said brother, I wasted my money on their b.s, lifetime warranty, and no matter what I aint going back to my untuned 4.10 brick. I'm just to high in elevation (or to high a speed freak) I'm still dig'n where it's run'n.
Cam Swap and head work or Suspension Is next, I can't decide Yet.


2016 RAM 2500 pw | 392ci w 6spd | CAI w ARH long tubes & Solo | Diablo T2 w HF tune | 5.13 AAM w 35" Mickey MTs | Custom Graphics w illegal tint | Dodge Off-Road