Mopars new turbo 6 cylinder Hurricane's appear to be very impressive

[Dusty]

I just bought a used 2018 Ram 1500 with a Hemi and only 55,000 miles. I plan on keeping this until it is dead and there are no parts around to repair it. I have zero interest in an EV and the more it’s forced upon us, the more I resent it. I also have no interest in a turbo. I’m fine with a straight 6, just no turbo. I love the old Ford 300 in-line 6, and the GM 292. But a turbo? No thanks.

When I was much younger I worked at a repair center that had the New York Central railroad as a fleet customer. Worked on a lot of those 300 ci in-line Ford sixes. They were tough, but not without issues. I think every one I saw had a leaky rear main seal, and cracked intake/exhaust manifolds were very common. They had a 4 inch bore and stroke and developed lots of torque. Terrible on fuel, though. Never saw one with a spun rod or main bearing and they kept good oil pressure. IMHO the only six that came close to the slant six for durability and reliability.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 03 June 2018. Now at: 067404 miles.

 

[TomB 1269]

I like the idea of the inline 6. If they build them right they will outlast anything. The old slant 6 was indestructible. The old Ford 300 was a damn tractor motor. Inline 6s always had great torque. Now with DI they can lean out the engine and more bang per oz. of fuel as well as decrease consumption and emissions. Turbos only increase their natural abilities to produce torque and increase their ability to produce HP.

As the towing guys stated it will be interesting to see how they do for towing with respect to engine braking. I know the Ford 3.0 Eco boost pulled great but did not provide any real engine braking. But that can also be in part due to the differences between V6 and I6 operational physics. I6 will have more crank mass then the V6. In addition every 120 degrees of engine rotation a cylinder will be firing in line along the same axis with the previous fired cylinder and not 30 degrees off axis. So with the increase torque this generates, it will also most likely produce effective engine braking in relation to a gas V8.

My understanding of DI engines is they are similar in actual functional process as a diesel but use gas, and therefore a spark to ignite. The problem with high compression non-DI engines is the detonation factor associated with compressing a combustible gas mixture. To much compression cause to much heat and you get detonation. However, remove fuel in most of the compression stroke, and then just before TDC spray high pressure fuel charge which also provides a cooling effect on the air charge and then strike a spark immediately after and you can make a lot of power with little fuel.

Its one of the reasons these DI engines run extremely high fuel pressures. But it also why the standard PCV system will eventually result in massive carbon build up. I have never been a huge fan of catch cans as most tune port FIs will do a decent job of keeping the air fuel track clean where it counts. But these DI engines in my opinion should all have catch cans.

 

[pacofortacos]

So it begins
Washington State legislature has passed “Clean Cars 2030,” a bill setting a goal to require all light-duty vehicles of model year 2030 or later to be electric. The bill passed as part of a larger package directing utilities to prepare the state for all-electric transportation.

 

[AJNY]

Washington State Plans to Outlaw Most New Gas-Powered Cars

m.theepochtimes.com

 

[U&A]

Thanks for forwarding for us.

Ok, somebody explain to me how a spark-ignited engine of only 3.0 liters displacement can produce 450 foot-pounds of torque? I see this is a single direct fuel injector per cylinder architecture, so it sure as hell doesn't get there in lean burn A.F.R. mode, so in rich burn mode are they saying they can control gasoline injection timing coincident with the spark as to get an over-rich A.F.R. for greater torque? I don't care how many turbos you put on a sparky, if you can't control pre-ignition, you're gonna blow holes in pistons!

I don't get it. And, dammit, yet ANOTHER single injector engine! ARRGG

Though it is super impressive what they can do.... id rather have a mechanical injection diesel or a chevy 350, ford 351 or 460

 

[HEMIMANN]

Though it is super impressive what they can do.... id rather have a mechanical injection diesel or a chevy 350, ford 351 or 460

Which is why I'm never selling my diesel tractor.

 

[NJMOPAR]

All 2026 gas vehicles will have to have a 40mpg average by law nationwide.
They're killing the IC engine by death of a thousand cuts.

 

[Dusty]

All 2026 gas vehicles will have to have a 40mpg average by law nationwide.
They're killing the IC engine by death of a thousand cuts.

That's the plan.

regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 03 June 2018. Now at: 067457 miles.

 

[2012RAM1500RT]

I'm not trying to start a debate nor am I interested in one, just telling you how I work. I'm not going to compare a twin turbo anything to a naturally aspirated anything. I'll compare 6 cylinder twin turbo to 8 cylinder twin turbo. I'll compare electric to electric, and I'll compare I C E to I C E. Apples and Apples is the only thing I look at, Nothing else.

 

[sandawilliams]

I'm not trying to start a debate nor am I interested in one, just telling you how I work. I'm not going to compare a twin turbo anything to a naturally aspirated anything. I'll compare 6 cylinder twin turbo to 8 cylinder twin turbo. I'll compare electric to electric, and I'll compare I C E to I C E. Apples and Apples is the only thing I look at, Nothing else.

There is no comparison if you compare cubic inches to cubic inches for power.

 

[pacofortacos]

Hope for the future - if gov. officials are intelligent enough to be forward looking instead of stuck in a box.

MAZDA: SKYACTIV-X | We are Engineers

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Should easily beats the 40 mpg in a Mazda 3.

Mazda 3 with Skyactiv-X Engine Achieves 42–54 MPG on Euro Combined Cycle

The compression-ignition gas engine's optimistic Euro MPG numbers could still translate to huge EPA estimates in the U.S.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[knightjp]

Well anyone who is into cars will know that back in the day, the Toyota and Nissan had legendary twin turbo I-6 that are still coveted to this day - 2JZ & RB26DETT
These engines could produce about a 1000 reliable horse power with the mods and tuning.

I guess I can expect the next Gen TRX to sound like a 4th Gen Skyline GTR.. Honestly not really a great sound for a truck. Just ask a Ford owner.. LOL.
I would rather it be electric and make no noise or that hum that electric motors make.
That is why Ford is right now bringing out the new Raptor with the V8.

I'm not saying I-6 petrol engines are bad for trucks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe back in the 40s and 50s I suppose most trucks had inline 6 cylinder engines which were just honest reliable workhorses. Jeep had the I-6 in their wranglers. My boss' '98 Wrangler still running strong and actually sounds pretty good.

IMO if you want a good sounding 6 cylinder, you need to talk to the Brits. Listen the sound of this TVR with V6.

Throttle Back Friday - Enter The TVR S

Every Friday we raid the Wheeler Dealers archives to bring you a classic clip and on this occasion Ed is less than confident with Mike's delivery of a TVR S....

youtu.be

 

[HEMIMANN]

Well anyone who is into cars will know that back in the day, the Toyota and Nissan had legendary twin turbo I-6 that are still coveted to this day - 2JZ & RB26DETT
These engines could produce about a 1000 reliable horse power with the mods and tuning.

I guess I can expect the next Gen TRX to sound like a 4th Gen Skyline GTR.. Honestly not really a great sound for a truck. Just ask a Ford owner.. LOL.
I would rather it be electric and make no noise or that hum that electric motors make.
That is why Ford is right now bringing out the new Raptor with the V8.

I'm not saying I-6 petrol engines are bad for trucks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe back in the 40s and 50s I suppose most trucks had inline 6 cylinder engines which were just honest reliable workhorses. Jeep had the I-6 in their wranglers. My boss' '98 Wrangler still running strong and actually sounds pretty good.

IMO if you want a good sounding 6 cylinder, you need to talk to the Brits. Listen the sound of this TVR with V6.

Throttle Back Friday - Enter The TVR S

Every Friday we raid the Wheeler Dealers archives to bring you a classic clip and on this occasion Ed is less than confident with Mike's delivery of a TVR S....

youtu.be

Here in the States, the Ford I6 300 cid was an iconic farm truck engine. Rugged, unbreakable, with modest fuel economy. Made for many decades.

 

[knightjp]

Here in the States, the Ford I6 300 cid was an iconic farm truck engine. Rugged, unbreakable, with modest fuel economy. Made for many decades.

I think that is what most of us need in our trucks.. One of the reasons for going truck for me in getting a truck vs getting a sedan or a SUV was the sheer simplicity of it. This hasn't been the case of a while now and it seems that the trend is not going away. More complexities are coming our way due to emissions standards, etc.
I always felt that even though the HEMI has some minor issues, these could easily be resolved with the right maintenance and the engine was simple and powerful enough.

First it was who was getting the largest payload and towing. Ram took that for a while. Then it was who had the highest horsepower.. Ram took that for a while. Now it is who has the best EPA and fuel economy without compromising rest. I'm guessing that Ram will take it with this (at least on paper).

I'm wondering if the Ram 1500 classic will be getting this I-6 unit as well. If they are keeping the HEMI for those, you're going to see an increase in sales for the Classic.

 

[U&A]

Which is why I'm never selling my diesel tractor.

My kubota side by side is zero emissions crap and mechanical injection. I got one of the lot a few years ago before they added that garbage. I would not have bought it otherwise.

Thats why i wont buy a new tractor either.

 

[HEMIMANN]

My kubota side by side is zero emissions crap and mechanical injection. I got one of the lot a few years ago before they added that garbage. I would not have bought it otherwise.

Thats why i wont buy a new tractor either.

Same. 2012 was last model year for EPA Nonroad Tier 2 Diesel Engines. I got one of the last ones in the metro area. Yanmar.

I don't remember what all Tier 4 required, but it at least added a diaper, and probably ******** injection timing with lots more fuel burned and soot in oil.
No SCR, though. Engine makers balked at that for such little motors. Maybe a passive oxidation catalyst.

 

[Tim7139]

Re-read the articles closer,there's 2 versions of the engine,only the high output version requires premium.I highly doubt the one destined for the 1500's will be the one requiring premium.The version requiring premium is more then likely the one the cars and high output Jeeps would get.

This video has a bit more info for the Jeep application, and is saying the standard output will have the same octain requirement as the current 5.7, and is a $2,000usd upgrade from the Hemi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7-dDV_lolM

The new Jeep options have worse mileage when towing compared to the existing, so it will be interesting to see how much loading it takes to loose the fuel economy advantage for the RAMs.

Both the 6.4 and H.O. in the Grand Wagoneer use premium, and I'm curious to see if we're nearing the point RAM will call for Premium to get better emissions and mileage numbers. I've worked with a few business expecting to get carbon tax credit if/when switching octaine lowers use/emissions.

5.7 Hemi Wagoneer	Hurricane S.O.	6.4 Hemi Grand Wagoneer	Hurricane H.O.
392HP	+7.1%HP	471HP	+8.3% HP
404TQ	+15.8% TQ	455TQ	+ 9.9% TQ
15/20/17MPG	+11.8% MPG std.	13/18/15MPG	+ 6.7% MPG std.
	-1.5% MPG towing		-4.1% MPG towing

 

[Jessica Smith]

I'm just surprised to hear that they made a likely sizable investment in a brand new high horsepower pure gasoline engine for 2023 MY. Most of the manufacturers it seems have instead decided to focus on smaller engines that can be hybridized or to simply update existing designs for a while until various governments implement pure ICE bans (around 2035 from what I had read).

I think a turboed inline 6 could be really cool and iconic, but my complaint is that I am sold on at least mild hybridization as in stop-and-go the regenerative braking does seem to really make a difference in fuel economy and the batteries can be quite small, light, and cheap, and secondly that the article says its direct injected. Most manufacturers have gone away from pure direct injected engines for combo direct+port injected designs to avoid carbon buildup issues.

I know Stellantis already has the 4xe transmission with an electric motor in it to recoup some energy, but they pair it with a little two liter since you don't need as much ICE power if you have an electric motor also adding to output. Unless their idea is to have a really high combined output 4xe version w/ the hurricane.

I like the sound and performance of my hemi, but not in love with the 15mpg as I'm racking up more and more monthly mileage lately.

 

[ramffml]

I'm just surprised to hear that they made a likely sizable investment in a brand new high horsepower pure gasoline engine for 2023 MY. Most of the manufacturers it seems have instead decided to focus on smaller engines that can be hybridized

That's exactly what the intent of the new I6 is. It's small, turbo'ed, and will shortly be hybridized as well.

It does seem surprising at first to see a manufacturer come out with a "new" engine at this point, but the hemi was released in 2003 and simply won't last (in terms of MPG and emissions) to 2035.

But I'll believe 2035 when I see it. To me that date is far too optimistic.

 

[RLJ10X]

I’ll never understand why they didn’t just turbo the Pentistar.

Carbon Credits. You nailed it. That’s what it’s all about.

The guys that think they got a 3.21 rear end for fuel economy. noooo…
Emissions. No more complicated than that.