Death of the V8 & birth of a.... Inline 6?

[Okie345]

Yes he mentioned it's got a sensor. I was not trying to knock the engine just thought it was interesting. Some fast change oil changers suck oil out using dip stick access so it's there problem not mine. Although I do have a oil extractor for my boat so could use this same method on a regular engine I suppose.

Sensors fail. Ford and Chevy have something similar but you can run both 2 plus quarts low on oil while towing, I know a guy. I bet they go off the oil pressure sensor as well.

 

[Colt4thHorseman]

It’s interesting the original poster named the title as “Death of the V-8…”
I saw the same headline story in Popular Mechanics in 1976. The gas crises was killing America with high prices and gas lines.
Well here it is in 2022, 50 years later and the V-8 is still here.

 

[2012RAM1500RT]

It’s interesting the original poster named the title as “Death of the V-8…”
I saw the same headline story in Popular Mechanics in 1976. The gas crises was killing America with high prices and gas lines.
Well here it is in 2022, 50 years later and the V-8 is still here.

Boy do I remember that! I thought "I just got my drivers license and the world is running out of gas, F...ing great". Guess I'll have to wait this one out too!

 

[Kickboxer]

Just watched a video of a mopar mechanic that just took a class on this new engine. It doesn't have a dip stick. He also stated the internals were a lot different from standard and the HO model. That you won't be able to just bolt on the HO stuff on the standard to up the hp.

I would not be worried at all about the lack of a dipstick. Most of today's engines
do not use any oil at all. I have an Audi A6 V6 without a dipstick. As mentioned above it is easy to use an oil extractor to change the oil. It may remove more used oil than draining it out the pan. The Audi has an oil level that shows, and I have installed a dipstick, and that is very easy to do. I like Ronald Reagans slogan, "Trust but verify".

 

[fireflymedic]

If I'm not mistaken I believe he also said the turbos are liquid cooled and it pumps liquid after you shut the engine down so I like that.

 

[Tim7139]

Sensors fail.

and dipsticks break, which can be a royal PITA with our trucks.

There is a better chance of the computer monitoring the oil level than most owners using the dipstick. Ironically the people most likely to use a sensor are the ones most likley to neglect their oil, let it get acidic, increasing the chance of the sensor not working.

 

[JNelson]

I plan on leaving as large of a carbon footprint as possible before I die. I got about 15-20 years left.

 

[mikeru]

and dipsticks break, which can be a royal PITA with our trucks.

There is a better chance of the computer monitoring the oil level than most owners using the dipstick. Ironically the people most likely to use a sensor are the ones most likley to neglect their oil, let it get acidic, increasing the chance of the sensor not working.

I don't believe I've ever read about anyone that had a dipstick break. Can you provide details about that? It certainly isn't a common problem.

 

[2012RAM1500RT]

I don't believe I've ever read about anyone that had a dipstick break. Can you provide details about that? It certainly isn't a common problem.

Oh yeah, I had "one" dipstick to break in my 45 years of being a mechanic. Compare that to the "Thousands" of sensors (not just oil sensors) I've seen go bad! I know which one I'd rather have! Couldn't imagine owning a vehicle without a dipstick. If you don't know how to use a dipstick you probably need to get a chauffeur to drive you around and check the car out for you!

 

[Tim7139]

I don't believe I've ever read about anyone that had a dipstick break. Can you provide details about that? It certainly isn't a common problem.

It's not common, but there are a few places they break. One of the Youtubers mentioned earlier as having trained on the new 6 has a video on extracting a broken dipstick from a hemi.

You'll see it pop up here and on other forums from time to time.

Broken dip stick.

The dipstick tube is fine. But my dipstick became unattached from the T handle. And then fell about 12 inches down the tube. Can I drive it like this? Unfortunately I have to drive it tomorrow morning for at least an hour each way. Two hours total.

www.ramforum.com

 

[runamuck]

back during the so-called gas/oil shortage in the 70's I always chuckled at the folks lined up at the stations on the main drag while other stations had no crowd. much like 2 years ago when everybody ran out and bought a car load of toilet paper I wondered why do these people need gas every day. what's the panic. at the time I had friends actually in the oil business and they laughed at what was going on. most folks that had wells or were in the business around where I live werent even pumping 100%. you have to look back and remember who was in charge then.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Yeah, many OEM's went to riveted multi-piece dipsticks to reduce part count (lowers inventory). They rivet the two pieces at different places for different engines. They since outsourced manufacture to lowest price (& quality) vendors and had some with rivets popping off. Work experiences.

 

[Okie345]

and dipsticks break, which can be a royal PITA with our trucks.

There is a better chance of the computer monitoring the oil level than most owners using the dipstick. Ironically the people most likely to use a sensor are the ones most likley to neglect their oil, let it get acidic, increasing the chance of the sensor not working.

Like I said most of these sensors are going off the oil pressure. There not actually reading oil capacity. On fords you need 30psi at startup. You can be 2 quarts low and still have 30 psi at startup. I can still fix a broken dipstick there few and far between. How are you filling engine oil without a dipstick? When the sensor goes of oil pressure?

 

[TestPilot57]

Most of today's engines do not use any oil at all.

Please explain. In language this 4th grade educated person can understand.

 

[ramffml]

Please explain. In language this 4th grade educated person can understand.

When you put 4 lego blocks in a bottle, shake it all about and pour it out, you get back 4 lego blocks. In the past, the lego block fairy might steal 1 or 2 when you were sleeping.

 

[Okie345]

Most engines have certain way you turn the dipstick before you push it in. It is pretty easy to get one stuck if you just send it. Might be how the guy separated the t-handle from the dipstick.

 

[Fatbob Frank]

I've been a broke dipstick before , but never had one...

 

[Tray Burge]

So glad I have my gas guzzling, earth polluting Hemi ready to suck more gas!
New Pirelli's

 

[mikeru]

Like I said most of these sensors are going off the oil pressure. There not actually reading oil capacity. On fords you need 30psi at startup. You can be 2 quarts low and still have 30 psi at startup. I can still fix a broken dipstick there few and far between. How are you filling engine oil without a dipstick? When the sensor goes of oil pressure?

To be clear, I'm not arguing against having dipsticks, but that doesn't even make sense. Oil pressure has no correlation to oil level until the oil level drops significantly. How do you measure oil level using oil pressure? The sensor in my Audi doesn't go off oil pressure. The car needs to be on a level surface and the engine has to be off for a certain amount of time before the oil level will show on the display. And it's quite accurate under those conditions. If the sensor says I'm 1/2 quart low and I add 1/2 quart, it's full when I check it again. I added an aftermarket dipstick for my own peace of mind though, because as already mentioned, sensors fail.

 

[Okie345]

To be clear, I'm not arguing against having dipsticks, but that doesn't even make sense. Oil pressure has no correlation to oil level until the oil level drops significantly. How do you measure oil level using oil pressure? The sensor in my Audi doesn't go off oil pressure. The car needs to be on a level surface and the engine has to be off for a certain amount of time before the oil level will show on the display. And it's quite accurate under those conditions. If the sensor says I'm 1/2 quart low and I add 1/2 quart, it's full when I check it again. I added an aftermarket dipstick for my own peace of mind though, because as already mentioned, sensors fail.

I'm going off how other manufacturers have done it in the past ford, chevy, and ram Trucks specifically. The ram with an actual oil level sensor will the be first half ton to have it. An audi and a ram serve two completely different purposes.