5w20 or 5w30

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From my experience any engine with hydraulic lifters is temperamental to oil weight. If you randomly get lifter tick with 5w20, 5w30 should cure it. This happened for me with a 1990 Miata that would have a lifter collapse at startup randomly with 5w30. Problem gone with 10w30 (which is in fact thicker both cold and hot.) Unfortunately the lifters and cam in a Hemi engine aren't nearly as tough as Miatas built in 1989.
 

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I think this is a moot question. I highly doubt the dealer would chemically analyze the oil in the crank case to see if it met spec should a warranty issue arise, regardless I think if I had an issue I would simply change the oil to the proper spec oil before taking it in no? The dealer most likely doesn't have the equip to test such oils in use nor do they even care? they are being paid to repair an in-warranty engine by FCA no?


if it were me and I had an engine failure and I was taking it to the dealer to be fixed under warranty, I would first tow it home and put in PP 5w20. It is very easy to test oils and cheap, and if they feel they can deny you they will save thousands and only cost them 28 bucks. A 20 dollar oil change can take away all of their potential ammo for denial, why risk it? whatever may or may not happen, I have roadside service and my tows are free, so no skin off my back to do this.
 

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if it were me and I had an engine failure and I was taking it to the dealer to be fixed under warranty, I would first tow it home and put in PP 5w20. It is very easy to test oils and cheap, and if they feel they can deny you they will save thousands and only cost them 28 bucks. A 20 dollar oil change can take away all of their potential ammo for denial, why risk it? whatever may or may not happen, I have roadside service and my tows are free, so no skin off my back to do this.

But wouldn’t that raise suspicion having fresh oil in the crankcase? I mean sure, even if the motor wasn’t fired up after changing it before taking it in, wouldn’t they also be suspicious of the oil looking like it was just poured out of the bottle? Or like a long time ago when someone recommended to me about concerns with my warranty while using an aftermarket filter, if I was to spin a brand new Mopar filter on; if I was a dealer tech, I’d find it awful fishy if that filter looked brand new; like it was just installed. I would imagine they could be fooled at least by making it look like oil was flowed through it by priming the new filter before spinning it on.


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My new Toyota 4 runner runs 0w20 per the manual; the manual also states you can run a thicker oil if the vehicle is operated at high speed, and then goes on to say you should run a 40 weight oil if you live in Central America.
20 weight oils are for CAFE requirements, nothing more.
My buddy at work drives a 2009 Nissan Versa (fart can) with a 1.8 L engine and it calls for 5w30 on a NA engine. The 2009 and earlier Toyota 4 runners All call for 5w30 oils. So what happened in 2010? Tighter CAFE requirements.
Even Rat 540 is recommending 5w30 oils in most daily driven vehicles. Even if the manual calls for a 20 weight oil.
all examples are machined differently, so the weight oil recommended. Also the Central American and South American vehicles are NOT using exactly the same motors as found in US and Canada, and northern Mexico. But hey run whatever you want and when it explodes well bet you won't tell us.
 

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if it were me and I had an engine failure and I was taking it to the dealer to be fixed under warranty, I would first tow it home and put in PP 5w20. It is very easy to test oils and cheap, and if they feel they can deny you they will save thousands and only cost them 28 bucks. A 20 dollar oil change can take away all of their potential ammo for denial, why risk it? whatever may or may not happen, I have roadside service and my tows are free, so no skin off my back to do this.
Nope, not if they do their testing correctly, they look for 'new' changed oil and residual oil. Nice try your honesty is running thin.
 

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all examples are machined differently, so the weight oil recommended. Also the Central American and South American vehicles are NOT using exactly the same motors as found in US and Canada, and northern Mexico. But hey run whatever you want and when it explodes well bet you won't tell us.
How do you know the engines are different and machined differently?
 

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Nope, not if they do their testing correctly, they look for 'new' changed oil and residual oil. Nice try your honesty is running thin.

what's not honest is denying people warranty anytime they feel like it. What do you want a job at fca or something? Be the next guy to deny some sap for warranty work even though you have widespread cam failures? we see it hear every week, people getting denied for things we all think they shouldn't have and cam damage in many trucks. I won a lemon law case that the dealer failed to fix, told me they weren't even going to try. So I don't mind sharing my ideas, I have seen it first hand. Funny the dealer had a tsb on my issue, it was a suspension part. Even though the had a tsb on it knowing it was a weak part, they tried to deny me. I searched the tsb's and my findings won me 13 grand. Maybe someday the dealer will deny you partner.
 

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Climate doesn't give a f*** who or where your engine was built or the clearance on the bearings....LoL

Engine oil viscosity
Engine oil viscosity refers to how easily oil pours at a specified temperature. Thin oils have lower viscosity and pour more easily at low temperatures than thicker oils that have a higher viscosity. Thin oils reduce friction in engines and help engines start quickly during cold weather. Thick oils are better at maintaining film strength and oil pressure at high temperatures and loads.

Measuring engine oil viscosity

The Society of Automotive Engineers developed a scale for both engine (motor oil grades) and transmission oils.

Viscosity is notated using the common classification “XW-XX”. The number preceding the “W” (winter) rates the oil’s flow (viscosity) at zero degrees Fahrenheit (-17.8 degrees Celsius). The lower the number, the less the oil thickens in cold weather.

The numbers after the “XW” indicate viscosity at 100 degrees Celsius and represent the oil’s resistance to thinning at high temperatures.

For instance, oil with a 5W-30 grade thickens less than oil with a 10W-30 grade in cold weather. Oil with a 5W-30 grade thins out more quickly at high temperatures as compared to oils with a 5W-40 grade.

During winter and for cars used in cooler regions, your engine will benefit from using oil with low winter viscosity. During summer and in hotter regions, your engine will benefit more from oil with higher viscosity at 100 degrees Celsius.

When comparing oils, it is important to take into account the location in which the car will be used. Thin oils that are less prone to thickening in low temperatures will help you start your engine more quickly in winter while thick oils that are less prone to thinning in hot temperatures will help your engine perform better in summer. As a result, 0W-20 and 5W-30 oils have been developed for colder climates while 15W-40 and 20W-50 oils have been developed with hotter climates in mind.

https://www.lubricants.total.com/consumers/maintenancetips/Oil-viscosity-and-oil-grades
 

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if it were me and I had an engine failure and I was taking it to the dealer to be fixed under warranty, I would first tow it home and put in PP 5w20. It is very easy to test oils and cheap, and if they feel they can deny you they will save thousands and only cost them 28 bucks. A 20 dollar oil change can take away all of their potential ammo for denial, why risk it? whatever may or may not happen, I have roadside service and my tows are free, so no skin off my back to do this.

If it were me I'd probably open up my factory manual and show them it says 5w30 is ok :)
 

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If it were me I'd probably open up my factory manual and show them it says 5w30 is ok :)

That’s only on up to a certain year. Me for example, if I was to grow a wild hair up my ass and start using 5-30, I couldn’t use that defense because my manual only states 5-20. There’s no mention of 5-30 being approved for “in a pinch”.


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To bad a few of these guys didn't get the big printed manuals when they bought their trucks,lol.

Doesn’t matter if you got a paper manual or not. You can still go here for the Ram Toolbox app-

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ram-toolbox/id1191950660

...or here for the Mopar Companion app on Apple...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mopar-owners-companion/id1191948159

...or on Android, here for the Mopar Companion app-

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mopar.companion&hl=en_US

...or here for the Ram Toolbox app on Google Play-

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ram.companion&hl=en_US

...to get PDF versions of your manuals and a whole bunch other stuff.





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Doesn’t matter if you got a paper manual or not. You can still go here for the Ram Toolbox app-

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ram-toolbox/id1191950660

...or here for the Mopar Companion app on Apple...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mopar-owners-companion/id1191948159

...or on Android, here for the Mopar Companion app-

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mopar.companion&hl=en_US

...or here for the Ram Toolbox app on Google Play-

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ram.companion&hl=en_US

...to get PDF versions of your manuals and a whole bunch other stuff.





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FWIW the PDF versions of the manuals are different than the paper (in 2016 and earlier). They removed the 5W-30 note in the PDF versions.

Which makes things even "fishier" if you ask me.
 

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FWIW the PDF versions of the manuals are different than the paper (in 2016 and earlier). They removed the 5W-30 note in the PDF versions.

Which makes things even "fishier" if you ask me.

I did not know that. The only manual I’ve looked at is for mine.


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FWIW the PDF versions of the manuals are different than the paper (in 2016 and earlier). They removed the 5W-30 note in the PDF versions.

Which makes things even "fishier" if you ask me.

My buddy got the manuals for his 2017 before he even had the truck,and his early 2017 version of the manual still has the note saying 5W-30 is okay to use if 5W-20 meeting MS 6395 isn't available.He ordered the manuals from the dealer the day he ordered the truck,and he had them probably about 6 weeks before he had the truck.
 

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My buddy got the manuals for his 2017 before he even had the truck,and his early 2017 version of the manual still has the note saying 5W-30 is okay to use if 5W-20 meeting MS 6395 isn't available.He ordered the manuals from the dealer the day he ordered the truck,and he had them probably about 6 weeks before he had the truck.

My truck is a pretty early build '17 (built in Sept of 2016) but the manuals included do not have the note about 5W-30.

I assume there is some revision number somewhere on the manual which will show when they revised it.
 

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My truck is a pretty early build '17 (built in Sept of 2016) but the manuals included do not have the note about 5W-30.

I assume there is some revision number somewhere on the manual which will show when they revised it.

That i'm not sure about,but I think he had the manuals in late July 2016 and the truck didn't show up till early September. I do remember him telling me ,he had the manuals memorized by the time he got the truck,lol
 

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That i'm not sure about,but I think he had the manuals in late July 2016 and the truck didn't show up till early September. I do remember him telling me ,he had the manuals memorized by the time he got the truck,lol

I'm sure it was an error, you know like when you speak the truth abut something at work but your boss didn't want you to say it? FCA and the Gov't doesn't want 30 weight in hemi's, it is up to the consumer to decide if they want sheep **** in their sump or something a little thicker.
 

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I'm sure it was an error, you know like when you speak the truth abut something at work but your boss didn't want you to say it? FCA and the Gov't doesn't want 30 weight in hemi's, it is up to the consumer to decide if they want sheep **** in their sump or something a little thicker.

I kind of wonder if somebody didn't squeal on FCA saying it was okay to use 5W-30 if 5W-20 meeting the MS spec wasn't available,and then it was a scramble by FCA to get everything deleted.Maybe the trucks won't meet government milege numbers on 5W-30 and somebody said something,and then FCA had to get things deleted.
BTW damn near fell over laughing at the "sheep ****" comment,that was funny as hell,lol
 

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I kind of wonder if somebody didn't squeal on FCA saying it was okay to use 5W-30 if 5W-20 meeting the MS spec wasn't available,and then it was a scramble by FCA to get everything deleted.Maybe the trucks won't meet government milege numbers on 5W-30 and somebody said something,and then FCA had to get things deleted.
BTW damn near fell over laughing at the "sheep ****" comment,that was funny as hell,lol

5w20 = sheep ****
5w30 =proper lubrication

But I don't judge.
 

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