Traction control

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WireEd

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Well it certainly is your opinion, cause it sure as heck is not mine.
I haven't had my 19 in a situation to see how bad it shuts down,
but my 15 got itself stuck more then once because of the damned traction control.
Nothing like chewing up a 26% grade on packed snow or ice and all of a sudden the f ing
computor shuts the engine power down. (and almost made it 10 feet to go and the worst is over)
Now you have to back down an 1/8th of a mile get around a curve and then back just a bit more
for a second run up it. And if you can't get a good start on that little straight back up more
and around a sharper turn and down more hill to the bottom to get a good start.
Nothing like a 1/4 mile steep uphill 22% to 26% slope driveway with a S turn in it to see your vehicles
ability in the winter snow and ice and the differences in tire abilities.
Can you run that hill in 4L? Then you get maximum torque and control; stability and traction control default off. 25-30 mph should be plenty for that.
 

Different Drummer

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Yes, on the 15 I had to hold the button for 5 seconds and it would usually work but not always.
It is quite aggravating to have it suddenly cut power when you are almost home free.
My 15 had a limited slip, this 19 has an E-locker it may be interesting with the E-locker this winter,
the 19 is tighter in 4wd then the 15 was, the 19 will actually buck and jump a bit in the corners in 4wd.
Yes, that turn onto Waite Road does catch a lot of people in the winter up and down hill.
For a great many years I would make that corner every day, with 4wd and studded tires I never failed to make it up
or stop coming down in the morning, did come close a few times.
My hat is off to you I wouldn't drive a 2wd around here in the winter if I could avoid it, or wait for the road crews to finish.
Unless it was quite heavily loaded.
The Town road that gives me the most issues is the one on the way to the ski area,
so many skiers trying to get to a ski area that are not equipped to drive in snow and they get stuck and end up crosswise
in the road by the time you stop for them and help them get turned the rest of the way around to go back downhill
it can be quite difficult to get started again in the middle of that hill.
My old Dakota was fantastic on snowpack or ice, I had downsized to 245/75r16 tires and it could stop on many of the hills help someone out then backup the hill.
LOL Small world. Depending on your age we might know some of the same people or have had our paths cross at some time.
As far as 2WD goes, like you I grew up in the region long before all the electronic stuff. You learn early on how to handle your vehicle in a whole bunch of different situations or road conditions. Also, it is amazing what a 2WD truck with some weight in the bed combined with good tires and LSD can accomplish.
But to confess, I use the truck for more of a long distance touring vehicle and do not see what you see for road conditions very often. Ordered the truck built to fit my needs. I never have a need for 4WD I am typing this while enjoying the 75* Florida weather.
I made that turn onto Waite Road many times in the winter, driving a 1964 Econoline Van. ( Engine between the seats ) on my way to work. Heh Heh, work was at the ski area you mention where I managed all outside operations. What I called the "nuts and bolts" portion of the business as opposed to the glamorous parts.
Try 4WD low range on your driveway hill with ESC disabled. I think I have heard the 4 wheelers say that in that configuration ALL the nannies are disabled. Probably would need to lock it into a gear that would give you the speed you need to get a run at the hill.
Good luck.
 

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In the 15 with the little eco-diesel low range shifted up and down considerably, high range 1st and 2nd are the best speeds most of the time. This hemi may behave better in the 19. The 15 did much better after I put Brandons switch kit in the transfer case.
Van could be fun On Vly Summit by the Gorsky farm. I'll PM you.
 

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In the 15 with the little eco-diesel low range shifted up and down considerably, high range 1st and 2nd are the best speeds most of the time. This hemi may behave better in the 19. The 15 did much better after I put Brandons switch kit in the transfer case.
Van could be fun On Vly Summit by the Gorsky farm. I'll PM you.
I think that is why you need to use the steering wheel buttons to lock out some gears to keep the truck from shifting so much.
Yeah, some good hills on that route. I don't think I ever got completely stuck though.
 

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The eco diesel in high was buttoned down to 1 or 2nd in high range,
usually 6th in low range.
The 19 gets buttoned down to 1st hi4 even in good weather so far when it shifts up to 2nd
it will start bogging down and then do a gravel spitting downshift.
 
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Something noteworthy in the feature lists referring to traction control is this line:

"When a disagreement exists between the throttle and the brake, the engine controller cuts power."
Well that's one mystery solved! Thanks for that. I'll have to look the build sheet for my truck up and see about the BLD. I don't doubt the '13 date in general, but I've seen enough oddball vehicles to know there's a lot of wiggle room in those production year cutoffs. Plus my Truck is a former LE vehicle so there's that.

Most of my driving training was at the Bondurant School, (and I did it the hard way in a drum brake, single circuit m/c, no power assist anything, 60's vintage car). I can definitely appreciate the perspective of the guys here that would rather do it themselves. But that training made me appreciate how well the electronic assistance really works and I'm happy to have it.... Maybe making it impossible to do a standing burnout is a bridge too far, but one look at the baby carrier currently strapped into my backseat reminds me that I can live with that little nuisance as a fair price for the extra safety.
 
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