2017 3/4-Ton Work Truck Challenge

[theviking]

Odd part is, the Ram was the lightest truck.

I can't believe how much less it weighs then my truck. Apparently I ordered 1400 lbs in options, lol.

 

[drittal]

Odd part is, the Ram was the lightest truck.

I thought the aluminum saved them 250lbs.(700 - frame upgrades)


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[kry226]

Did I miss it or did they not put gearing information in the article? If they were geared as close to identically as possible, I guess we've got ourselves a race. If the Ford was running 4.30s and the Ram 3.73s, the Ford is substantially less impressive.

Exactly. What gears?

 

[SouthTexan]

Did I miss it or did they not put gearing information in the article? If they were geared as close to identically as possible, I guess we've got ourselves a race. If the Ford was running 4.30s and the Ram 3.73s, the Ford is substantially less impressive.

Edit: I'd like to see dyno charts from the engines as well.

It was in the overview which I didn't post.

2017 3/4-Ton Work Truck Challenge: Overview - PickupTrucks.com News


Ram: 4.10:1
Ford: 3.73:1
GM: 4.10:1
Nissan: 3.36:1

 

[kry226]

It was in the overview which I didn't post.

2017 3/4-Ton Work Truck Challenge: Overview - PickupTrucks.com News


Ram: 4.10:1
Ford: 3.73:1
GM: 4.10:1
Nissan: 3.36:1

Well then, I'm more impressed with the Ford, putting to the ground (statistical tie) with 3.73s what Ram did with 4.10s . Dang.

 

[jaflowers]

Well then, I'm more impressed with the Ford, putting to the ground (statistical tie) with 3.73s what Ram did with 4.10s . Dang.

Have to remember what the final drive ratios really are with the difference in the transmission gearing. I believe in the 2014/2015 test that was shown somewhere, may have been in the comments section. The Ram had the worst of the group even when equipped with the 4.10 rear gears, I doubt that has changed amongst the group this time around.

 

[kry226]

Have to remember what the final drive ratios really are with the difference in the transmission gearing. I believe in the 2014/2015 test that was shown somewhere, may have been in the comments section. The Ram had the worst of the group even when equipped with the 4.10 rear gears, I doubt that has changed amongst the group this time around.

To be sure, other things affect what hits the ground (like the tire size difference on tested trucks). But what hits the ground is the most important and is likely to influence which truck I buy for my towing uses.

Honestly, I hope Ram gets spanked here so they'll get busy and bring more capability to market.

 

[RAM_Designs]

I just want Ram to make a better tranny when I get a new truck in 9 years... hopefully an 8 speed with a monster 7 liter gas engine with 550hp/tq that still gets me 13-14mpg average, and can tow 15k with ease.

 

[wyo2track]

2017 3/4-Ton Work Truck Challenge: Track Testing

Whatever Ford did to update the 6.2L SD, it sure has payed off. It placed #1 in all of the acceleration and brake testing by a considerable margin.

Sure did and with 3.73's vs. 4.10's in the RAM. The bigger headscratcher is how poorly the RAM did loaded with 3300# vs. the Ford and Titan. Damn, the 5.6 Titan beat the RAM being dang near 700# overloaded in acceleration runs, though it smoked its brakes stopping...lol. Damn good thing the RAM had a 4.10 and not 3.73 or this would have been worse. I can't believe the 6.4 dropped 3.5 mpg loaded with 2200# on the loop run. Kinda wondering if PUTC had tow/haul on which we know the RAM would have never saw 6th gear. Agree with all here, the 66RFE is holding the 6.4 back!

 

[gustheram]

It was in the overview which I didn't post.

2017 3/4-Ton Work Truck Challenge: Overview - PickupTrucks.com News


Ram: 4.10:1
Ford: 3.73:1
GM: 4.10:1
Nissan: 3.36:1

Dang. The Ford tranny must be awesome. Wonder how hard it would be to swap the 66RFE out for it lol!

I can't believe the 6.4 dropped 3.5 mpg loaded with 2200# on the loop run.

That's surprising to me. I had over 1000lbs of dirt and landscaping debris in mine this weekend and MDS still kicked in. I can't imagine it would have been working that much harder with an extra 1000lbs. I couldn't even feel the 1000 that was back there. Last year I had a UHaul trailer hooked up that probably weighed in around 4800lbs and MDS was kicking in then too. I wonder if they drove it differently in the loaded tests?

 

[RAM_Designs]

I know in mine with 2k in the bed I drop maybe 1mpg on the computer.

 

[gustheram]

That's a long way from the 3 they were showing in the test. But then again, when I went across the scales empty at the dump, I weighed in around 7300lbs. Take out the 350lbs from me and my dad, my truck weighs 6950lbs with 1/4 tank of gas + the things I keep in the truck. So maybe I've already lost most of what I'm going to lose against the test truck just by weighing 1100lbs more.

 

[SouthTexan]

Dang. The Ford tranny must be awesome. Wonder how hard it would be to swap the 66RFE out for it lol!

It is the same exact trans that was in the 2009-2014 F150 and has a lot shorter gearing than the 66RFE. Even with a 4.10 in the Ram and 3.73 in the Ford, the Ford has more torque multiplication in the first two gears.

6R80 w/3.73
1st: x15.55
2nd: x8.72
3rd: x5.67
4th: x4.25
5th: x3.24
6th: x2.57


66RFE w/4.10
1st: x13.24
2nd: x7.54
3rd: x5.78
4th: x4.10
5th: x3.36
6th: x2.58

 

[coobie]

Ok prove it, oh wait you can't.. Fact is the 6.4 didn't and cant. Would have, should have if it could have, but it can't. They ran the test twice and contacted ram engineers to be told its operating as designed AKA EPIC FAIL. Blame the transmission all you want but it's a fail as there's only one transmission mated to a 6.4 in the 2500.

Don't like the fact a GM 6.0 beat the almighty 6.4, looks at the less power and less capable Ford 6.2.

Oh look a slow cummins, what's new.... At least it can move the load as advertised unlike the 6.4....

Ok lets put this to bed, the 6.4 is the best thing since sliced bread. It can out pull any truck every made, is the quickest and most efficient. Long live the 6.4.......
Now being that I own one I know thats a lot of BS, but if it makes the fanboys feel better there it is....



Tell us more.... how many model years did you end up going back to unload a 6.4??

Hey bull ******* troll,tell us about your 6.4 hemi or that cummins diesel you owned.I bet you don't own either one.Your still driving your wifey-poos 5.7 on the weekend when she lets you

 

[wyo2track]

2017 3/4-Ton Work Truck Challenge: How They Hauled - PickupTrucks.com News

Confirmed... They drive the mpg loop in tow haul mode. So the 6.4 was only able to run in 5th at most and knowing how the tow haul behaves in the 6.4 it could have spent a good amount of time in 4th. So this test PUTC really only showed how good RAMS programming is when tow haul is activated and not how efficient the 6.4 is when you just let it do its thing in normal drive mode. PUTC mentions how much power was always there even on the loaded loop so I bet they where in 4th a bunch where there is always power with a light load like this.

 

[kry226]

It is the same exact trans that was in the 2009-2014 F150 and has a lot shorter gearing than the 66RFE. Even with a 4.10 in the Ram and 3.73 in the Ford, the Ford has more torque multiplication in the first two gears.

6R80 w/3.73
1st: x15.55
2nd: x8.72
3rd: x5.67
4th: x4.25
5th: x3.24
6th: x2.57


66RFE w/4.10
1st: x13.24
2nd: x7.54
3rd: x5.78
4th: x4.10
5th: x3.36
6th: x2.58

It's actually the 6R100, but the gear ratios are the same. It's a beefed up 6R80 to work with the 6.2. I've been monitoring the Ford boards pretty closely and there has been very little said about the "Torqshift-G", so I'm sure it's a great little tranny.

 

[Danno]

Hey bull ******* troll,tell us about your 6.4 hemi or that cummins diesel you owned.I bet you don't own either one.Your still driving your wifey-poos 5.7 on the weekend when she lets you

I will do one better and show you. see I can prove it unlike proving that the 6.4 pulled Ike better than a 6.0 or is more capable.

 

[HvyDuty]

I'm surprised Ram took last place, behind the Chevy and Nissan. I figured Ford would win since its a brand new truck.

If they were running the door sticker 60 PSI front and 80 PSI rear in the tires, that accounts for the terrible unladen ride. My crew cab 4x4 rode like a brick empty at those pressures and couldn't imagine the ride in a truck weighing 1k lbs less.

Ram really should bring those numbers down a bit, at that pressure the weight carrying capacity of the tires far exceed the truck ratings. Makes no sense.

 

[coobie]

I will do one better and show you. see I can prove it unlike proving that the 6.4 pulled Ike better than a 6.0 or is more capable.

Nice photo OP.I still say ********* troll man.

 

[Danno]

Nice photo OP.I still say ********* troll man.

I would expect nothing but...