5.7 Hemi "blew up" by dealership?

[Jeepwalker]

You could also put a 6.4 in it too! That would make your truck something special.

 

[Jeepwalker]

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[CanuckRam1313]

I don't plan to go the remanufactured route. If I do this I will do brand new Chrysler Hemi installed by dealer. How do I go about putting better lifters in it and doing MDS delete and do you think this would void any warranty that came with the engine? I've always heard the MDS was the issue in the first place but what do I know

Brother, my $0.02 on this is that of you're in a position to have a dealer install a brand new engine, then screw the dealer altogether and have a properly built engine installed that has all the known B.S. dealt with, and get more stomp for your buck!!! Source a high level and credible engine shop that knows the 5.7 HEMI's!

Your truck is a 2015 based on your info..... If you deal with a credible engine shop they will offer a good warranty for a new engine. Then have a full transmission service done too, and get a know built HEMI that delivers no issues. You may even consider having a performance transmission valve body installed, or just go with a Paramount Transmission replacement and be done with it.

Not that one spends your hard earned money frivolously, but when life throws you lemons, and you're in a position to make lemonade, then make some damn good lemonade and enjoy the net results..... just saying.

 

[HCook]

You might want to get in touch with 'Ram Cares' on this site. And start some dialogue with them. A new Chrysler engine, if they'll work with you on the install (like they eat the install cost) ...then you basically have a new engine.

It might be tempting to buy an el-cheapo rebuilt from "Gee-whizz ("We Produce the higest product in the industry") Engine Rebuilders inc", or an unknown quality used engine from XYZ Dismantlers, but a brand new genuine Chrysler Hemi (dealer installed) engine with zero miles would actually increase the value of your pickup quite a bit, probably a couple thousand bucks, if/when you decide to sell it. Esp given the issues with 5.7's and that buyers might be leery of buying a high-mile pickup (say, when you get to 175k mi). So you might think of it as spending money now and getting half back later on.

There's no reason to believe there would be on-going issues with a factory rebuilt engine, if properly installed (I've installed several). Now, of course, anytime an engine is installed, there might be a few items like loose connectors or certain items that may need to be corrected. Kind of like building a house ..there are a few things the contractor has to come back and correct. Even good engine replacers run into that. But if a new engine is installed you shouldn't start jumping up and down and pointing your fingers when the brakes wear out ...or the generator fails, or a wheel bearing craps out. Items are going to wear down.

So, let them give you a price and see what you can do to swing an install deal.

Thanks for the info. I will try that with Ram Cares. I am hoping I hear back from Chrysler Corp soon. On Friday the chick told me she was reaching out to the dealership for more info and would call me this week to let me know what my "co-pay" will be. I'm trying not to get my hopes up with them tho. I do plan to go with a brand new genuine Chrysler Hemi and have the dealership install it. When you say brand new does that mean a 2023 engine? Or do they have crate engines from 2015 laying around? Have the issues with the older models been addressed? I'd like to think the 5th gens will not have some of the issues I've always heard about with the older models. Sorry just trying to educate myself

 

[HCook]

Also, you start talking to people who've bought or installed enough 3rd-party rebuilt engines, many (if not most) buyers have had some issues to sort out. Sometimes major. Like my buddy who bought an Audi engine and upon start-up there was super-low oil pressure. He had to (out of pocket) have the shop dismantle the front timing set (no small job) and install a new chain tensioner and a new oil pump.

And their so-called 'Best-in-class-warranty' ...after days of letters, getting the shop to articulate the entire issue, and going thorugh various hoops they've set up to prevent most from trying to get money ...it wasn't worth anything. I don't think he got a dime back, or maybe a token $200. I don't think he even got that. By the time he was done, cost-wise he might as well have bought a genuine Audi-rebuilt engine. But now that the issues have been sorted out it's been working great, on yr 2.5. Stories like this abound if you talk to enough people. Not that every one is a dog, they're not. But a high number seem to have start-up issues. So trying to save a few bucks on the front end may not ultimately be as great of a savings.

There's a certain value of a dealer-installed engine (with paperwork). I'm guessing being in SC your truck is in pretty good condition. Not a rust-bucket..

I will verify before giving them the thumbs up on the engine and the install. I'm not interested in any 3rd party or any rebuilds. The dealership said they will install "new engine with certificate". Does this mean it's literally brand new or would they be talking about a rebuilt engine? Again, I will verify just trying to educate myself. Also, this might be a dumb question but are we talking about a 2023 engine? Is it a dumb question if I ask the year of the new engine? Thanks for the help

 

[indept]

There's no proof MDS causes any lifter / cam issues. The failures are both MDS & non MDS. The most popular reason is poor lubrication at idle to the cam & lifters. Most failures are on high idle hours engines. Police cars, contractors that leave the vehicles idling for long periods while working.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

I will verify before giving them the thumbs up on the engine and the install. I'm not interested in any 3rd party or any rebuilds. The dealership said they will install "new engine with certificate". Does this mean it's literally brand new or would they be talking about a rebuilt engine? Again, I will verify just trying to educate myself. Also, this might be a dumb question but are we talking about a 2023 engine? Is it a dumb question if I ask the year of the new engine? Thanks for the help

Ask them!
What year is this new OEM crate engine, and what factory warranty does it come with!

Then, use RL 5W30 oil and the RP 20-820 oil filter, change is every 5,000 miles, use a minimum of 91 octane fuel, and move forward!

 

[HCook]

Ask them!
What year is this new OEM crate engine, and what factory warranty does it come with!

Then, use RL 5W30 oil and the RP 20-820 oil filter, change is every 5,000 miles, use a minimum of 91 octane fuel, and move forward!

Will do thanks for the info. Currently, I commute for work 110 miles per day. Filling up every four days with premium may be out of my price range Lol

 

[Green_Manalishi]

I know you said you weren't interested in a reman, but I installed a Powertrain Products 5.7 in my 2006 Charger back in November. I'm about 8,000 miles in and no problems. They corrected a few issues during reman such as pinning the valve sats, drilled out drain back holes in the head and block for oil flow, corrected timing chain guide and tensioner failure with improved parts, and use MLS head gaskets.

Good luck!

...oh, and their warranty ain't bad either.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

Will do thanks for the info. Currently, I commute for work 110 miles per day. Filling up every four days with premium may be out of my price range Lol

You're welcome.
Perhaps look at it this way....
My step-daughter said this same thing of her 2017 Ram HEMI.... but then she listened and did what I suggested in terms of.... for the next 4 fill ups, only use premium (we use Costco here in Ontario, Canada as it saves money.... but their 91 is still free of ethanol)... and if you don't see an improvement in terms of more MPG and a better responding engine, don't use it again!

So, she did that, and guess what, she came back and said that hands down, her HEMI is running stronger and happier, and she has increased her kilometers per tank full. She now uses 91 fuel at every top up.

I have the 32 gallon tank on my 19', and even with today's stupid gas prices it's maybe $25 more per tank full vs regular fuel. But, when I calculate that into increased mileage, and I get 50km to 70km more per tank full (depending on how happy my foot is...lol), and, my engine runs stronger and happier, that is pretty much a wash out in terms of value per dollar.

As many will tell you here (not all, and several will argue this too), regular 87 octane fuel is not a friend to our HEMI's. Carbon is a real thing, and this is why 91 fuel and a good shot of RL SI-1 once in a while, is a very good thing for the long term enjoyment and overall positive ownership experience for us HEMI peeps

Just my $0.02, though!