6.4 vs 6.7

[SouthTexan]

Dang man, chill out. He didn't mean you specifically. 20's aren't useless in offloading either bud. COPS racing team has 20's on their Trophy truck, which will beat anything you and your buddies do at moab.

A Trophy Truck is a different kind of off roading than what we are talking about here. TWilliams posted that he wanted a 2500 for it's straight (live) axle which is for slow speed off roading which is also what I do. I would recommend that you learn the difference between slow-speed off roading and high-speed off roading of a trophy truck. Also, look into why 20s are not the appropriate rim size for a true slow speed off roading truck. I will give you a hint, it has to do with traction.

yes a lift helps. It gives you more ground clearance, kind why I ruined my bumper, stock Rams are too low.

This is false, even if you lift your truck and nothing else, you will still have the same ground clearance at your axles. Lifts are mainly done for two reasons in a true off road vehicle. To fit larger tires and to increase your break over, approach, and departure angles. Too high of a lift will raise the center of gravity of a vehicle to a point at which it does more harm than good off road. Take a look at the Power Wagon and where it can go while being the same height and same sized tires as the regular 4x4 2500s. So that should tell you right there that a lift is not needed to be able to take you everywhere you are willing to take your truck. It also shows you that most that do lift their trucks do so for the looks to pose as an off roader rather than it being for any kind of benefit off road since the stock height would have been fine. If one really wanted to make their truck better off road then they would have upgraded the differentials to lockers and the coil springs to ones with a linear spring rate like what is found on the Power Wagon.

 

[loveracing1988]

A Trophy Truck is a different kind of off roading than what we are talking about here. TWilliams posted that he wanted a 2500 for it's straight (live) axle which is for slow speed off roading which is also what I do. I would recommend that you learn the difference between slow-speed off roading and high-speed off roading of a trophy truck. Also, look into why 20s are not the appropriate rim size for a true slow speed off roading truck. I will give you a hint, it has to do with traction.



This is false, even if you lift your truck and nothing else, you will still have the same ground clearance at your axles. Lifts are mainly done for two reasons in a true off road vehicle. To fit larger tires and to increase your break over, approach, and departure angles. Too high of a lift will raise the center of gravity of a vehicle to a point at which it does more harm than good off road. Take a look at the Power Wagon and where it can go while being the same height and same sized tires as the regular 4x4 2500s. So that should tell you right there that a lift is not needed to be able to take you everywhere you are willing to take your truck. It also shows you that most that do lift their trucks do so for the looks to pose as an off roader rather than it being for any kind of benefit off road since the stock height would have been fine. If one really wanted to make their truck better off road then they would have upgraded the differentials to lockers and the coil springs to ones with a linear spring rate like what is found on the Power Wagon.

A lift will gain your ground clearance on a ifs vehicle however, at least in the front end.

 

[SouthTexan]

A lift will gain your ground clearance on a ifs vehicle however, at least in the front end.

Lift kits on IFS will not gain ground clearance either. Lift kits for IFS use a spacer bracket like in the picture below to raise truck. With the bracket in place you have the same minimum ground clearance as before or even less due to some under hanging brackets.

 

[Statcher1]

Holy crap. Your like all Texans. You know everything. You can't agree with anything. A lift will gain ground clearance on a IFS truck. So long as you don't go big enough to need the bracket


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[regularcab2500]

Texan is right about one thing, suspension lifts do not increase minimum ground clearance. They only increase the clearance for your frame and underbody. Realistically only bigger rims and tires will give more clearance for the differentials but in most cases you need some sort of lift to fit larger wheels. In summary you really need both.

For the record the power wagon is 2" higher than a normal 2500 and it has less rake. The thing really should get bigger tires than 33" duratracs.

Does someone know what all this has to do with diesel vs gas motor again?

 

[SouthTexan]

Holy crap. Your like all Texans. You know everything. You can't agree with anything. A lift will gain ground clearance on a IFS truck. So long as you don't go big enough to need the bracket


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I would agree if it were correct, but it as well as what you said is false. The minimum ground clearance is the same before and after a lift. A lift pushes the truck up from the rear axle and lower IFS suspension assembly meaning that the rear axle and the lower A arm stay the same height unless a kit comes with a longer A arm and CV driveshaft. However, most kits that people buy do not. A perfect example of this is the Ram Runner suspension kit.



The reason why that bracket is there is so that the CV driveshaft is not at incorrect angles that would lead to premature failure and would also limit lower wheel travel. If you have a lift or level that increases your CV driveshaft angle then you are just asking for it to get damaged since you are putting it in a bind especially in an off road environment. You would want to keep that CV driveshaft as straight as possible in normal use.

It is when you add larger tires that the minimum ground clearance changes. However, this can be done with most trucks up at an extend without a lift.

 

[SouthTexan]

For the record the power wagon is 2" higher than a normal 2500 and it has less rake. The thing really should get bigger tires than 33" duratracs.

It appears you are correct after going over the stats. The Power Wagon is 81 inches tall and the regular Ram 2500 4x4 os 80 inches tall. The approach angle of the PW is 33 degrees and the departure is 26 degrees. On a regular 2500 4x4 the approach is 25 degrees and the departure is 26 degrees just like the PW. The ramp breakover angle on both are nearly the same with the PW being at 23 degrees and a regular 2500 4x4 being 21 degrees. This would indicate that the PW only has a leveled front end in comparison to the regular 2500 4x4.

Although it is funny to note that the axle to ground clearance is less on a PW with it being 8.5 inches in the front and 8.3 inches in the rear. The regular 2500 like mine with 285/60R20s is 9.4 inches in the front and 8.7 in the rear.

Does someone know what all this has to do with diesel vs gas motor again?

It stems from my comment to TWilliams saying.... "Sorry, but you wanted a lift for the looks of it, not for off roading.".

 

[TWILLIAMS9]

You don't know why I lifted my truck so why don't you just shut the hell up.

 

[SouthTexan]

Almost all of those that lift their daily driven truck due so for looks to pose as an off roader just as one would lower their vehicle or put a rear wing on a front wheel drive ricer. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with that since it is their vehicle that they can do with as they please.

All I meant by my comment was don't **** on our legs and tell us it is raining by saying you did it for off road capability especially when it is combined with 20s, and when a stock height or leveled truck is just as capable off road if not more since it has a better center of gravity.

 

[1500ram12]

Off-roading mean something different to everyone. Could be driving in a field doing donuts, going through a mud hole, trail riding (also has multiple meanings to people) rock crawling. Before you guys get into a real ******* match maybe you should agree on a definition of off-roading.

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[6.4 dude]

I didn't realize Sheldon Cooper drove a Ram until reading this thread.....

 

[SouthTexan]

I didn't realize people get butt hurt about facts before this thread. I guess some would rather continue to be ignorant then actually know things.

 

[1500ram12]

This is directed at no one and everyone.

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[6.4 dude]

It's not the message, it's the delivery pal. Your blunt and condescending, 2 of the the most unappealing traits I see in a human being. It's cute on Big Bang Theory but not so much here. People come here to interact, chat, gain some info, even tell tall tales, not to have everything they say get dissected and refuted.
Every time I open this thread, there you are, lurking, waiting for someone to post something you don't agree with. It was strangely entertaining watching it play out but now it's getting old. By the way, it's not butt hurt its disdain.

 

[Ratket]

I want some 456 gears... I am getting a chub thinking about it right now.

 

[SouthTexan]

It's not the message, it's the delivery pal. Your blunt and condescending

I will agree with you that I am blunt. I don't like to piddle around or beat around the bush especially with grown ups who should have their big boy pants on. As far as the condescending part, I feel sorry for you that you feel that way.

Although, I bet you wouldn't think that if I were on the 6.4L side of this argument. TWilliams was condescending in his response to Hdpereformance, but I don't see you saying anything about that. Oh wait, that's right, TWilliams is on the 6.4L side (your side) of this argument so he gets a pass. It is strange that you had no issues with what Twilliams said about the 6.7L. However, when I used the same words Twilliams did while putting the 6.4L in it's place as an example then you call me an "ass clown".

So it is okay when it is trash talk about another motor, but when it is your motor then all hell breaks loose? So it is okay for a 6.4L guy to flame a 6.7L guy, but when a 6.7L guy stands up and says something about it then he is being an "ass clown"?

Every time I open this thread, there you are, lurking, waiting for someone to post something you don't agree with. It was strangely entertaining watching it play out but now it's getting old. By the way, it's not butt hurt its disdain.

My first post in this thread was because a 6.4L guy jumped all over another person just for thinking his 6.7L was the best.(BTW everyone should think their engine is the best without having to resort to trashing other people choices) I stated to the 6.4L guy that there is no need to trash or jump on other people that may have different wants and needs then you just to justify your own choices.

Just about everyone one of my posts after that was a response since I was being quoted by someone or they were saying something about me. If you don't want me to respond then don't quote me or make a post in reference about me. Simple as that.

 

[Statcher1]

Dang. You do sound like a condescending ass clown. And it's getting worse every time you post man.


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[SouthTexan]

Dang. You do sound like a condescending ass clown. And it's getting worse every time you post man.


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So saying that people should not jump others for liking their engine choice or trash other peoples engine choice just to justify their own is being a "condescending ass clown" to you? Wow!

 

[Statcher1]

Dude it's the tone. And how hard you are pushing the topic.


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[Ratket]

killin my wood.. all this talk of steers and ****** is ruining my evening reading material.