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Again you are like a ball out in left field what the thread that started this was about towing not about pay load. He even stated “ I know all about payloads and proper loading yada yada.”. So why are you talking about payload ? He isn’t. It seems like he has a better understanding of the trucks limitation then you do.

so why are you bothering about this, All I did say was do what you want to do you only live once.

How did you take that as if I am telling him to break a law or put himself or any one else in danger. I have already explained the tow math FYI the payload capacity of this truck is most likely between 1600to 1800 lbs. I am at a loss. Understand your statement

I understand what you were getting at with your statements, as you were speaking to your real world experience towing with a half ton. That is what i was looking for. When i had my 1500 I had a very similar set up and it towed very well even being overloaded at times. Not reason sure what is dangerous about it. Knowing I do understand payload and tow capacity and how they correlate.

I am also tired of the tow police. It is one thing to educate someone on the reality of towing a TT as far as payloads and towing capacities. It’s another thing to always be badgering people who simply choose to push their trucks limit, and who most of the time do it as safely as possible.
 
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....or a safe setup. Physics has no empathy for those who don't pay attention to it.


I was originally looking to hear about the experience of towing something similar to my setup and hear from guys who maybe downsized and regret it for performance issues or whatever. Or maybe they are happy they did it. I know how all the numbers work. Though they are a major part of the equation they aren’t the end all be all.
 

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I understand what you were getting at with your statements, as you were speaking to your real world experience towing with a half ton. That is what i was looking for. When i had my 1500 I had a very similar set up and it towed very well even being overloaded at times. Not reason sure what is dangerous about it. Knowing I do understand payload and tow capacity and how they correlate.

I am also tired of the tow police. It is one thing to educate someone on the reality of towing a TT as far as payloads and towing capacities. It’s another thing to always be badgering people who simply choose to push their trucks limit, and who most of the time do it as safely as possible.

Even though you just simply asked what people’s opinions were when they went from towing with a three-quarter ton down to with a half-ton irregardless of how you feel about this tow police are not but, you’re going to get those kind of answers no matter what.

If you do trade that three-quarter ton in for a half-ton and whether or not you can load that same amount of weight and not be over your payload, that would have to be at your own discretion because if it pulls it just fine as long as you treat your towing vehicle like the half ton pickup that it is and not the three-quarter ton you had and not pull it as fast then you’d probably be fine.


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Even though you just simply asked what people’s opinions were when they went from towing with a three-quarter ton down to with a half-ton irregardless of how you feel about this tow police are not but, you’re going to get those kind of answers no matter what.

If you do trade that three-quarter ton in for a half-ton and whether or not you can load that same amount of weight and not be over your payload, that would have to be at your own discretion because if it pulls it just fine as long as you treat your towing vehicle like the half ton pickup that it is and not the three-quarter ton you had and not pull it as fast then you’d probably be fine.


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I hear you I just had made it point in the OP to say that I knew that loading and weight would be something I would have to contend with if I were to down size.
 

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I am also tired of the tow police. It is one thing to educate someone on the reality of towing a TT as far as payloads and towing capacities. It’s another thing to always be badgering people who simply choose to push their trucks limit, and who most of the time do it as safely as possible.

I've done my fair share of badgering, and to be honest I don't regret it a bit. Do you regret badgering a buddy who is borderline intoxicated but wants to drive home?

Towing over the limits of your truck is just as stupid as driving under the influence. You might away with it most of the time, but eventually it will catch up to you. People can get hurt or killed, and what makes it worse is that you're (general "you", not you personally) taking out innocent people along with you. If you want to go all cowboy and think you know better and wreck your truck, well that's fine with me, but when other people pay for your actions, a little "badgering" seems like a small price to pay.

Pushing past the limits of your truck as safely as possible is just as odd as saying "driving home drunk as safely as possible". It doesn't work that way.
 
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I've done my fair share of badgering, and to be honest I don't regret it a bit. Do you regret badgering a buddy who is borderline intoxicated but wants to drive home?

Towing over the limits of your truck is just as stupid as driving under the influence. You might away with it most of the time, but eventually it will catch up to you. People can get hurt or killed, and what makes it worse is that you're (general "you", not you personally) taking out innocent people along with you. If you want to go all cowboy and think you know better and wreck your truck, well that's fine with me, but when other people pay for your actions, a little "badgering" seems like a small price to pay.

Pushing past the limits of your truck as safely as possible is just as odd as saying "driving home drunk as safely as possible". It doesn't work that way.

That is all just hyperbole, you are being ridiculous. It is a serious thing tow safely and I didn’t advocate at all for being grossly over weight or even over weight at all. I don’t think anyone really did.
 

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... I didn’t advocate at all for being grossly over weight or even over weight at all...

I wasn't specifically commenting about your post (I even said that, "not you personally"). I'm simply talking about being a card-carrying tow police member, and why I am one.
 
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I wasn't specifically commenting about your post (I even said that, "not you personally"). I'm simply talking about being a card-carrying tow police member, and why I am one.

I was just defending the position of 100 pounds over payload and under tow rating or vise versa isn’t a big deal, if you know and are comfortable and drive accordingly. It’s not ideal but it isn’t driving drunk
 

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I was just defending the position of 100 pounds over payload and under tow rating or vise versa isn’t a big deal, if you know and are comfortable and drive accordingly. It’s not ideal but it isn’t driving drunk

"drunk" isn't an absolute value, it's a scale. You can be under the influence and still not be labeled "drunk" by the majority of people. Being under the influence means your thoughts and reactions are being affected by the drug/alcohol, and it's changing your performance. Just like trying to push past payload, it WILL affect your truck and what you're able to do when fit hits the shan.

So yes it absolutely is the same thing. You're using the most extreme example ("drunk") and writing of the entire example because you don't drive 500 pounds over payload, but the example is very accurate; both are sliding scales, both are stupid actions, and both can cause death/injury to innocent people.

Just get a bigger truck. Today its 100 pounds, tomorrow it's another few hundred because hey you were fine before and what's another 100 between friends, and now you're drunk.
 

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You have to be very careful when you ask for people's input on the internet. Facts have a way of quickly becoming blurred with opinions. This is especially true with towing where there are very strong opinions and biases.

It all boils down to actual facts. With the VIN number, you first find the rated towing capacities of your specific truck. You'll get the maximum payload and tow rating. Never exceed either, in fact, try to stay 80% or more below them for an extra margin of safety. If you do this, you should be fine.

A 1500 is a considerably better tow vehicle than an SUV or car, a 2500 is a considerably better tow vehicle than a 1500, a 3500 is a considerably better tow vehicle than a 2500. And a semi rig is a considerably better tow vehicle than a 3500. All of this is inconsequential. The only thing that really matters is properly matching the tow vehicle to the trailer.

So, let's take a look at your specific case. You're looking at a 2021 Warlock Classic Bighorn, crew cab, 5.7, and 3.92 gears. You said you don’t know the specific payload yet. Get the VIN off of the Maroney sticker and look it up. For the sake of this discussion, we'll go with the RAM published capacities, they may be less depending upon the options, but it should be fairly close. Be sure to use the VIN-specific specs when you do your final calculations though.

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So, with a 1,439 lb maximum payload and a maximum towing weight of 10,230 lbs, let's see how that compares with your trailer.

You stated a Gross Vehicle Weight for the trailer at around 8300 lbs. That's 81% of the Warlock's maximum towing capacity, so you're good to go there. The next hurdle is the payload. You didn't state the loaded tongue weight of the trailer. That's critical and without it, we can't properly qualify the trailer. But let's run an estimate. If the GVW of the trailer is around 8300 lbs as you say, you're going to need at least 10% of that weight on the tongue for safety, so that's 830 lbs. Let's say 900 lbs, just to be safe. That would give you 530 lbs left for additional truck payload. If you could stay within these limitations, you would be safe to tow. If you can't, then it's a no-go.

This ends the factual section of this post. The rest is just my opinion, so please take it as such.

The last factor is the trailer's size. At 35 feet, you're definitely pushing it for a 1500. It would probably be best to stay 30 feet or below. With an excellent weight distribution hitch and anti-sway system such as a Hensley Hitch, you could possibly push it to 35 feet, but it's a stretch and it may be uncomfortable driving at times.

I think your weights might be ok but the length is a bit too long. Personally, I wouldn't recommend anything more than 33 feet max with a 1500 and that's with an exceptional anti-sway WDH.

In my opinion, your trailer is as big as anyone should go with a 1500, at least for a comfortable towing experience. I would either stick with your 2500, or get the Warlock and a slightly less large trailer.
 

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I’ve been doing too much thinking about going back to a half ton. I found a 2021 warlock classic with big horn interior, crew cab, 5.7 and 3.92 gears. I don’t know specific payload yet. I want it I miss my 2017 ram 1500 big horn.

Currently I have a 2018 2500 tradesman crew cab with a 6.4 and 3.73 gears. I bought this strictly to pull my 2020 imagine 3000qb it’s 35.5 feet bumper to hitch 30 foot box. Weights between 8k and 8300 loaded depending on the trip.

Question is, am I going to hate towing my camper with this warlock? I’d definitely put some airlift 1000 bags in it so firm up the rear end when towing. I towed a smaller camper with my last ram and it did very well. I don’t care if gets 5 mpg towing i just miss getting 20+ most of the other times I use it, and the smooth ride.

I’d just like some real world experiences. I know all about payloads and proper loading yada yada. I know that’s something I’d need to contend with if I did it.

Im just the opposite. I will never go back to a 1500 from my 2500 which is the same as yours. Payload is everything to me.

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While I agree the, "weight police" are largely ridiculous on message boards, this part of your post is just plain ignorant. "Get what you want.... you only live once." Yeah, with a mindset like that it won't be for that long.


Probably runs 85 mph also because the truck can do it. I have learned very quickly since becoming interested in truck campers about proper setups and ratings.
 

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I broke the news to my wife that I thinking about doing this and she was a hard NO. Haha she likes to bring whatever the hell she wants and knows I’d be policing everything she brings with a smaller truck. This was kind of all for not now but I’m still thinking I’d like to find a dealer that would let me try the trailer with that truck. Just so I could really know for myself.
You got your answer from your wife!! Just to add my comment on your original question, you probably won't like towing with a 1500 a lot, but it's not a big deal if you are careful about your speed and keep your load within reason. Payload is an issue with me because the air suspension will show overload too fast. My fresh water is in the front of the trailer as is all of the storage space, so I have had to drain the tank a couple of times and move tools into the cabin. I switched from a '05 Cummins dually with a 35' fifth-wheel and was almost ready to trade the 1500 in, but got a better hitch and have 6500 miles towing so far. But it's nothing like a bigger truck.
 

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Try to imagine the fear and panic when some big dude is trying to throw you off the roof of a tall building.

Yeah, that's the 1500.

IMHO, I will never go back to a 1500. It's a truck. I don't mind it feeling like a truck. I have never been concerned about mpg either. That's MY life, maybe not yours. Any time anyone says they willingly put their family in a maxed out configuration, I just cringe.

Nuff said
 
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"drunk" isn't an absolute value, it's a scale. You can be under the influence and still not be labeled "drunk" by the majority of people. Being under the influence means your thoughts and reactions are being affected by the drug/alcohol, and it's changing your performance. Just like trying to push past payload, it WILL affect your truck and what you're able to do when fit hits the shan.

So yes it absolutely is the same thing. You're using the most extreme example ("drunk") and writing of the entire example because you don't drive 500 pounds over payload, but the example is very accurate; both are sliding scales, both are stupid actions, and both can cause death/injury to innocent people.

Just get a bigger truck. Today its 100 pounds, tomorrow it's another few hundred because hey you were fine before and what's another 100 between friends, and now you're drunk.

I understand the point you are trying to make. We as humans take calculated risks every day, some big, some small depending on your tolerance to it and necessity. A majority of the time they can effect others if **** goes wrong. I personally just don’t care if someone wants to run their truck maxed out. I don’t feel at all threatened by it. Grossly over is another issue and we would find a lot more common ground there. I don’t like looking like an idiot so that keeps me honest. I don’t mind a little risk though, you might be a little more risk averse, and that’s fine.
 
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I appreciate all the input from everyone. I did such a good job of selling my wife the purchase of a 2500 (which she loves) that she reminded me of all the reasons I wanted one in the first place. So between that and the consensus from everyone on here I’ll be definitely sticking with my truck. I’ll be happy when I get back to camping and using my truck for it’s main purpose. It is very nice to not have to think much about what you bring.
 

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Love my 2021 warlock! Its everything I want. Better be since I ordered it. Just not much payload for towing. Even less than I thought there would be.DSCN0784.JPG
 
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