Back to a 1500?

[Toddbigboytruck]

I never said anything about 60%..... I just can't get on board with not even considering weight.

But he did consider the weight read the post
big horn interior, crew cab, 5.7 and 3.92 if you know rams 2021 5.crew with 3.92. Can tow can tow at least 11000lbs. And his trailer was only 8300 max. So I already know that the he was good to go if you are informed is the key to life.

 

[Toddbigboytruck]

Too much white knuckle stuff on yer TT, stay with the 2500. Unless U plan on downgrading, getting a smaller TT, shorter, more in the 4-5000 lb range. The numbers may be there but you are art the extreme range ref capability. But yer truck, wallet and family, yer decision.

Why would he have to down grade any thing the truck he want has a max tow of over 11000 lbs and his trailer is only 8300 max. He is fine.

 

[mtofell]

Why would he have to down grade any thing the truck he want has a max tow of over 11000 lbs and his trailer is only 8300 max. He is fine.

Another world class conclusion... tow rating is what his truck can PULL. Ever think to look into what it can CARRY?

 

[Toddbigboytruck]

Again you are like a ball out in left field what the thread that started this was about towing not about pay load. He even stated “ I know all about payloads and proper loading yada yada.”. So why are you talking about payload ? He isn’t. It seems like he has a better understanding of the trucks limitation then you do.

so why are you bothering about this, All I did say was do what you want to do you only live once.

How did you take that as if I am telling him to break a law or put himself or any one else in danger. I have already explained the tow math FYI the payload capacity of this truck is most likely between 1600to 1800 lbs. I am at a loss. Understand your statement

 

[Toddbigboytruck]

Another world class conclusion... tow rating is what his truck can PULL. Ever think to look into what it can CARRY?

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Again you are like a ball out in left field what the thread that started this was about towing not about pay load. He even stated “ I know all about payloads and proper loading yada yada.”. So why are you talking about payload ? He isn’t. It seems like he has a better understanding of the trucks limitation then you do.

so why are you bothering about this, All I did say was do what you want to do you only live once.

How did you take that as if I am telling him to break a law or put himself or any one else in danger. I have already explained the tow math FYI the payload capacity of this truck is most likely between 1600to 1800 lbs. I am at a loss. Understand your statement

 

[GsRAM]

Short answer is no. Too much weight, too much length for a half ton even with an optimal set up.

Could it physically do it? Probably. For how long and safely are the unknowns.

If you want another half ton downgrade that big rig to something 25-30' and under, 7500 gvwr and under. Just my .02.

 

[AlexC2350]

Yeah I really didn’t want to this to turn into a payload tow capacity thing. I’ve been at this for a little while now. Don’t forgot I have a 3/4 ton truck now which I got knowing I would be over on everything with the truck I had. What I didn’t realize, having never had a HD truck before is how much isn’t wouldnt be great for a lot of the other things I do with it, it seems like it needs a tank of gas every time you look at it. Haha If I could get away with towing my camper 4-6 times a year for a couple hours each way with a half ton, might be worth it. Seeing as 98% of time it would be driving me and my tools around.

I’m pretty much in the camp of doesn’t matter how close you are in numbers, you’re good. It really doesn’t matter what you’re numbers are if your ripping around not paying attention bad **** can happen. I towed my first camper with a Tacoma. 21 foot bunk house with a slide I was pretty ignorant at the time of numbers but very vigilant and careful had no issues. Got pissed I couldn’t even put a sheet of ply in the bed of the Tacoma and got my ram 1500. Towed the same camper with that truck and almost ate it because i got too comfortable and wasn’t paying good attention. Once was enough though. So that turned into a rant.

 

[Jughed]

Again you are like a ball out in left field what the thread that started this was about towing not about pay load. He even stated “ I know all about payloads and proper loading yada yada.”. So why are you talking about payload ? He isn’t. It seems like he has a better understanding of the trucks limitation then you do.

so why are you bothering about this, All I did say was do what you want to do you only live once.

How did you take that as if I am telling him to break a law or put himself or any one else in danger. I have already explained the tow math FYI the payload capacity of this truck is most likely between 1600to 1800 lbs. I am at a loss. Understand your statement

The man didn't ask if the truck could tow it.

He asked if he would hate towing the camper with a 1500 vs his 2500. And he asked for real world experience.

I did exactly, within a few hundred pounds, of what he described. Had a 1500 and bought a camper "it could tow"

Simple as this - pulling a 30' box TT with a 1500 vs 2500 is night and day different.

 

[AlexC2350]

I broke the news to my wife that I thinking about doing this and she was a hard NO. Haha she likes to bring whatever the hell she wants and knows I’d be policing everything she brings with a smaller truck. This was kind of all for not now but I’m still thinking I’d like to find a dealer that would let me try the trailer with that truck. Just so I could really know for myself.

 

[GsRAM]

I'll be the first one to admit over the years I've towed a big, heavy trailers with half tons.

I did so safely because I weighed my set ups on CAT scales and I knew what my unloaded and loaded axle weights were. I adjusted to return as much of the unloaded front axle weight as I could to that front axle for a safe and stable tow.

However, I was close to and over rear axle weight limits at times and I knew that was really pushing it. On long grades my truck heated up, 215-230 degrees and that wasn't good.

So its ultimately up to you. You bought the 2500 in the first place as you said because you knew with a 35' plus rig you needed one. You've been at this awhile per your post so you know you gotta pay to play.

Current truck and trailer or smaller trailer/half ton are your options. Even if you were within GRAWR, I still would not want to tow a sail that long behind a half ton. But that's just me.

As a former LEO, I've seen too many horrible/catastrophic accidents and what happens in the blink of an eye when things go wrong. Things I wish I could forget.

So I prefer more margin than most. That's why I have a fuel guzzling 2500HD and I love it. No desire to go back to a half ton, but I dont drive it much and I have a rav4 as a spare so I do understand your thought proccess and that different folks have different needs and priorities. Good luck.

 

[Toddbigboytruck]

The man didn't ask if the truck could tow it.

He asked if he would hate towing the camper with a 1500 vs his 2500. And he asked for real world experience.

I did exactly, within a few hundred pounds, of what he described. Had a 1500 and bought a camper "it could tow"





Simple as this - pulling a 30' box TT with a 1500 vs 2500 is night and day different.

The man didn't ask if the truck could tow it.

He asked if he would hate towing the camper with a 1500 vs his 2500. And he asked for real world experience.

I did exactly, within a few hundred pounds, of what he described. Had a 1500 and bought a camper "it could tow"

Simple as this - pulling a 30' box TT with a 1500 vs 2500 is night and day different.

Ok I was comment to one person directly not you that one person I was replying to him only about what he said to me and stating like my comment you only live once And do what you want. He implied that I was a non safe person. With out know me or my background

I am a part time hot shot trucker and I drive a international 4x4 truck
The rest of my time I am a commercial diver. Underwater welder Safety is my mantra.
I personal am tired of all the tow police in this site and other sites. The people with there 2500 think they own the roads. As I said before I wish all vehicles had to be inspected. The was commercial drivers have to be we do share the same roads Today I pickup my new to me 3500 ram and to be honest. I will be as careful driving that truck towing and I am when I tow with my wife’s jeep. Towing is a mindset. And is a privilege. Just like driving is a privilege. And should be treated like it

 

[Toddbigboytruck]

I broke the news to my wife that I thinking about doing this and she was a hard NO. Haha she likes to bring whatever the hell she wants and knows I’d be policing everything she brings with a smaller truck. This was kind of all for not now but I’m still thinking I’d like to find a dealer that would let me try the trailer with that truck. Just so I could really know for myself.

well happy wife ...... I love that you will still give it a try find a dealership. Maybe it will work

 

[AlexC2350]

I'll be the first one to admit over the years I've towed a big, heavy trailers with half tons.

I did so safely because I weighed my set ups on CAT scales and I knew what my unloaded and loaded axle weights were. I adjusted to return as much of the unloaded front axle weight as I could to that front axle for a safe and stable tow.

However, I was close to and over rear axle weight limits at times and I knew that was really pushing it. On long grades my truck heated up, 215-230 degrees and that wasn't good.

So its ultimately up to you. You bought the 2500 in the first place as you said because you knew with a 35' plus rig you needed one. You've been at this awhile per your post so you know you gotta pay to play.

Current truck and trailer or smaller trailer/half ton are your options. Even if you were within GRAWR, I still would not want to tow a sail that long behind a half ton. But that's just me.

As a former LEO, I've seen too many horrible/catastrophic accidents and what happens in the blink of an eye when things go wrong. Things I wish I could forget.

So I prefer more margin than most. That's why I have a fuel guzzling 2500HD and I love it. No desire to go back to a half ton, but I dont drive it much and I have a rav4 as a spare so I do understand your thought proccess and that different folks have different needs and priorities. Good luck.

You are definitely right on all this. There is a big difference in knowing you are pushing limits and doing things consciously. There are a ton of people out here we’ll over the limits with no idea what’s what and ripping around like they’re in an empty car.

 

[GsRAM]

You are definitely right on all this. There is a big difference in knowing you are pushing limits and doing things consciously. There are a ton of people out here we’ll over the limits with no idea what’s what and ripping around like they’re in an empty car.

100% correct and your clearly not one of them so kudos to you for running things to ground so you can make an informed decision.

I wish you good luck with whatever you decide.

It sounds like your wife has already 86ed the 1500 idea (Lol!), though....agsin I totally understand that too!

 

[corneileous]

I think I stand with most people that’s posted here-

I can’t say yay or nay whether that Warlock will pull that trailer safely or not but like most others, I don’t think you’ll like it, especially being that you’re already used to pulling it with that 3/4-ton.

Even though my half-ton with 3.92’s and air suspension, I don’t think I’d feel safe pulling that heavy.


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[tron67j]

Another world class conclusion... tow rating is what his truck can PULL. Ever think to look into what it can CARRY?

Not understanding this statement. So want to ask: Based on your stated experience, I assume you agree that it is possible to run out of payload based on trailer weight and truck options/people/cargo before you run out of towing capacity. Thus it is possible that a truck that can tow, say 12,000 pounds, has a tongue weight that when added to provisioned truck causes an overloaded condition to occur and towing the 12,000 pound trailer could become problematic. Thanks

 

[tron67j]

I am in the camp that you won't enjoy the ride. Reducing weight of tow vehicle will increase transmission of sway, bumps and other road issues. You will notice more jerking back and forth. And steering and braking will be adversely impacted and airbags will not fix this. On the Tradesman, have you considered adding the options you miss? I have same truck and have added a number of options so far and cost has been a lot less than getting the options on a new truck. Either way, good luck.

 

[GTyankee]

I have not towed with anything heavy since i retired.
I still currently have a Commercial Drivers License

I will just say that the engine will tow it nicely & the rest of the drivetrain can handle the load.

You mentioned that you were going to add something to make the suspension better, that is a good thing, it will make the driving while towing less squirrely.

That leaves 2 things to wonder about;

Loading the trailer properly to even out the load to get the tongue weight correct, without being tail heavy

The last is where it can get Iffy
The brakes on the 1500 are smaller than the 2500, going downhill in the mountains, the brakes are going to heat up quickly.
Of course you can always use the transmission in one of the lower gears

Should you worry so much about comfort or think more about safety

 

[mtofell]

Not understanding this statement. So want to ask: Based on your stated experience, I assume you agree that it is possible to run out of payload based on trailer weight and truck options/people/cargo before you run out of towing capacity. Thus it is possible that a truck that can tow, say 12,000 pounds, has a tongue weight that when added to provisioned truck causes an overloaded condition to occur and towing the 12,000 pound trailer could become problematic. Thanks

The post I was quoting implied "max towing" or PULLING was the only thing to consider. Payload, or CARRYING is equally (or even more often) the limiting factor with a given setup.

This is really the heart of a lot of confusion with pairing trailers and trucks. Huge numbers are splashed all over the TV screen that say, "12,000# Tow Rating" so dude gets off the couch and goes to buy the truck and an 11,000# trailer and then comes on here wondering what went wrong (not talking about OP at all here as he has it figured out). ALL numbers must be taken into account.

Parameters like, "get what you want" and "you only live once," along with only taking into account half of the important numbers do not typically lead to a great setup.

 

[engineering]

Parameters like, "get what you want" and "you only live once," along with only taking into account half of the important numbers do not typically lead to a great setup.

....or a safe setup. Physics has no empathy for those who don't pay attention to it.