Blackstone - used oil analysis

[HEMIMANN]

That was my V_-i.r, g in.. oil sample analysis. (can you believe I had to do this to say this word..lol).

I opted for the TAN and TBN testing as well so we all could have a full spectrum starting point of knowledge with this specific oil.

Nice to see the report making its rounds in cyberspace adding to databases of fellow enthusiasts.

I was a "c-hair" away from my 10,000Km OCI with it, but then traded in my 19' for my new Warlock.

I suppose I'll have to try a 10,000Km OCI with it as my new truck is well broken in with 20,000Km's on her now, in the 7 months I've owned her.

Algo's are prudish.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

Algo's are prudish.

Very!!!

 

[HEMIMANN]

Lake Speed Jr. with a new video comparing GM's oil life indicator to actual oil condition via UOA.

Surprised that GM developed the OLI algorithm originally. Conclusion is that GM's OLI works - not that anyone else's works. In fact, he badmouths a few as just idiot lights at a pre-set one-size-fits-all mileage.

He also shows why Blackstone is too simple a UOA to determine if oil needs to be changed. Especially oxidation. We can only infer high oxidation (burning) of oil from oil viscosity increase and TBN decrease, not directly as with a more expensive and complete UOA.

As I've said previously, when I was with Mobil Oil I tested my own car using Mobil 1 and Mobil's complete lab service, and found its contamination limit was around 14,000 miles in mostly highway driving - and the limiting factor was dirt ingestion through and around the engine air filter - NOT oil degradation.

The Accuracy of OIL LIFE Indicators REVEALED!

Ever wondered if your car's oil life indicator is more of a guess than a guarantee? Discover how accurate oil life indicators really are as we compare used o...

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[JHoward]

I'll continue to use Blackstone Labs. I've used them over the years and was satisfied with their results ... at least I've some type of oil history report(s) ...js.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I wouldn't want to see the price of the free to me UOA I got as a bennie with Mobil.
I'm saying Blackstone isn't sufficient for complete assessment of engine and oil conditions. Big labs care about huge commercial accounts, not pipsqueeks like us.

 

[Hootbro]

Lake Speed Jr. with a new video comparing GM's oil life indicator to actual oil condition via UOA.

Surprised that GM developed the OLI algorithm originally. Conclusion is that GM's OLI works - not that anyone else's works. In fact, he badmouths a few as just idiot lights at a pre-set one-size-fits-all mileage.

He also shows why Blackstone is too simple a UOA to determine if oil needs to be changed. Especially oxidation. We can only infer high oxidation (burning) of oil from oil viscosity increase and TBN decrease, not directly as with a more expensive and complete UOA.

As I've said previously, when I was with Mobil Oil I tested my own car using Mobil 1 and Mobil's complete lab service, and found its contamination limit was around 14,000 miles in mostly highway driving - and the limiting factor was dirt ingestion through and around the engine air filter - NOT oil degradation.

Blackstone is not perfect, but LSJr does **** a competing oil analysis service "SPEEDiagnostix" that he has ownership stake in so I would temper his take somewhat on that.

As to the primarily asian makes like Toyota and the like, they do not present them as algorithmic OLM's but mileage based "maintenance reminders". Most people that own those brands and are maintenance savvy understand that.

Lastly, in that video he mentions the vehicle used was a rental. That is probably one of the worst control sample vehicles to use as while the OLM showed 9%, the oil could have been changed more recently and the OLM never reset.

Overall, I like LSJr's content but he was a little loose with how he presented in that video IMHO.

 

[knightjp]

Lake Speed Jr. with a new video comparing GM's oil life indicator to actual oil condition via UOA.

Surprised that GM developed the OLI algorithm originally. Conclusion is that GM's OLI works - not that anyone else's works. In fact, he badmouths a few as just idiot lights at a pre-set one-size-fits-all mileage.

The Accuracy of OIL LIFE Indicators REVEALED!

Ever wondered if your car's oil life indicator is more of a guess than a guarantee? Discover how accurate oil life indicators really are as we compare used o...

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What's the likelihood of the oil life indicator in our Rams being similar to the GM one? Or will it be something like those "idiot lights".

 

[Hemi395]

What's the likelihood of the oil life indicator in our Rams being similar to the GM one? Or will it be something like those "idiot lights".

I've found the ones in our trucks are tailored to be around 10,000 mile intervals. When towing it goes down quicker and in colder weather it goes down quicker.

I purposely didn't reset it after an oil change once and it seems to be shooting for 10000 miles. 8 or 9000 if the algorithm considers the usage to be "severe".

 

[HEMIMANN]

Blackstone is not perfect, but LSJr does **** a competing oil analysis service "SPEEDiagnostix" that he has ownership stake in so I would temper his take somewhat on that.

As to the primarily asian makes like Toyota and the like, they do no present them as algorithmic OLM's but mileage based "maintenance reminders". Most people that own those brands and are maintenance savvy understand that.

Lastly, in that video he mentions the vehicle used was a rental. That is probably one of the worst control sample vehicles to use as while the OLM showed 9%, the oil could have been changed more recently and the OLM never reset.

Overall, I like LSJr's content but he was a little loose with how he presented in that video IMHO.

I'm aware of that, but my point still stands. Recall I said I had access to Mobil Oil Corporation's UOA, so I know of what I speak about the other oil parameters that can condemn oil from continued use.

 

[emjohn4]

Here's another from my '12 Hemi...

 

[Burla]

Here's another from my '12 Hemi...

looks perfect what moly substitute you using?

 

[emjohn4]

looks perfect what moly substitute you using?

I've been using liqui moly MOS2 since about 70k miles. Thanks!

 

[Burla]

I've been using liqui moly MOS2 since about 70k miles. Thanks!

Yeah it seemed like more ppm then we usually see with biotech, you use an entire can?

 

[emjohn4]

Yeah it seemed like more ppm then we usually see with biotech, you use an entire can?

Yup, full can each oil change. I've been happy with it!

 

[knightjp]

Yup, full can each oil change. I've been happy with it!

I seem to recall someone running the Liquimoly 5W30 Molygen, 1 can of MoS2 (16oz) & and 1 can of LM Hydraulic Lifter Fluid (16oz) in his truck.
I did the same for a couple of oil changes. From the sound of the engine, the results are good.

 

[BLUKTY2]

Finally got the VOA of HPL's Premium Plus 5W-40 from BS. Got this oil in the RAM a couple of weeks ago along with the FE2 filter. Engine is quiet at idle at all temperatures but it always has been. I am hoping that this oil will do away with a startup clatter after extended sitting that I had with Amsoil SS 0W-40. Time will tell.

 

[Burla]

Finally got the VOA of HPL's Premium Plus 5W-40 from BS. Got this oil in the RAM a couple of weeks ago along with the FE2 filter. Engine is quiet at idle at all temperatures but it always has been. I am hoping that this oil will do away with a startup clatter after extended sitting that I had with Amsoil SS 0W-40. Time will tell.

They have really mastered the additive package over there. I cant say I'd do anything different, that's it perfection imo.

 

[Hemi395]

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[knightjp]

Just a thought... we don't like the thinner oils that Ram is specifying in the manuals and we know that they are just doing this to get better EPA ratings - as is GM and Ford.
As a result, we're recommending moving to something thicker than the spec. On the 5.7 Hemi, instead of 5w20, we recommend 5w30, and its worked very well. So if I was to get a truck with the 6.4, instead of the factory 0w40, I would use 5w40 or 0w50 (if there was a street oil in that range).
Is this the right?

 

[HEMIMANN]

I have the 6.4. I use 5W-30.