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I'm currently running some Redline SI-1 and 91 octane before my next oil change. Would you do an oil analysis after running it, or will the results be skewed because of the SI-1?

I plan to use Redline 5w-30 and a Fram XG2 filter since the RP 20-820's are outrageously priced in Canada and the XG2 is readily available.
Good question don't know that one. I would wager however the wear numbers such as iron and copper and alum will be still accurate. There is a report somewhere that it can thicken viscosity. We don't have a lot of examples on this or thought put into it.

I did exactly this, either on my last OCI or the one right before. I let Blackstone know about the RedLine Sl-1 in the notes when I sent in the sample. They thanked me for letting them know and added that it wouldn't make a difference or show up.

@ccsrt8 Just let them know on the off chance something weird shows in your UOA.
 

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I did exactly this, either on my last OCI or the one right before. I let Blackstone know about the RedLine Sl-1 in the notes when I sent in the sample. They thanked me for letting them know and added that it wouldn't make a difference or show up.

@ccsrt8 Just let them know on the off chance something weird shows in your UOA.
Sounds good. I will do that.
 

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This is my most recent sample. PUP 5w30, lubeguard, 20-820, 5k intervals. How’s it look?
 

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@gounc82 It looks like you posted the same image twice, or have I missed something? Did you mean to post 2 different samples?
 

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Hey guys, how long before oil change do you run SI-1 ? Thanks all.
 

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This is my most recent sample. PUP 5w30, lubeguard, 20-820, 5k intervals. How’s it look?
Perfect hemi report, the copper level is likely from moly/esters and/or change in oils since the run on engine at 80k. Did that run at 80k also have lubegard? It really matters not, it is a great report and in a hemi copper 14ppm is nothing. If you see a weaknesses with PUP you see the visc almost at 20 weight. Now, regardless PUP is a low wear oil, often the wear numbers aren't an indication of good or bad versus a similar report if you move up 25% with visc. There is not really a correlation with metal protection of a thicker oil over PUP, but having that thicker oil most of us will suggest is more metal protection. Engine dynamics are how an engine wear, an example is zinc that both encourages good wear and is an anti wear additive, and that makes total sense. So if you try and oil that is a little thicker, it may or may not translate to better wear numbers, but we believe that still provides the engine with better film lubrication. Now if the number got much worse then yes, but none of us would expect that here. That is the short answer, want the long one see the paper in syn thread. Thanks for sharing.
 

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Hey guys, how long before oil change do you run SI-1 ? Thanks all.

Not that I have any idea what I'm doing - or why, but have always timed it so I could fill up with gas and Sl-1, and then run the tank near empty, then top it off again with just gas. On the off-chance any "dirt" or Sl-1 finds it's way to the crankcase I want to get it out before the new oil goes in.

I also empty the catch-can after the oil change, same idea, grab as much goo as
I can. Then I can start off with new oil, new filter, empty catch-can.

I also go a little overboard and add 2 bottles of Sl-1 to my 26 gallon tank. Red Line says 1 bottle for 21 gallons, and YT folks with a bore-scope have shown that higher concentrations of P.E.A. clean even better.
 

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Perfect hemi report, the copper level is likely from moly/esters and/or change in oils since the run on engine at 80k. Did that run at 80k also have lubegard? It really matters not, it is a great report and in a hemi copper 14ppm is nothing. If you see a weaknesses with PUP you see the visc almost at 20 weight. Now, regardless PUP is a low wear oil, often the wear numbers aren't an indication of good or bad versus a similar report if you move up 25% with visc. There is not really a correlation with metal protection of a thicker oil over PUP, but having that thicker oil most of us will suggest is more metal protection. Engine dynamics are how an engine wear, an example is zinc that both encourages good wear and is an anti wear additive, and that makes total sense. So if you try and oil that is a little thicker, it may or may not translate to better wear numbers, but we believe that still provides the engine with better film lubrication. Now if the number got much worse then yes, but none of us would expect that here. That is the short answer, want the long one see the paper in syn thread. Thanks for sharing.
I don’t remember if the sample at 80k had lubeguard or not. So by looking at this sample what do u think about changing from PUP to Mobil 1 0w30 euro? Is it worth it?
 

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I don’t remember if the sample at 80k had lubeguard or not. So by looking at this sample what do u think about changing from PUP to Mobil 1 0w30 euro? Is it worth it?
PUP has always been one of my favorite type oils for various reasons, but for a hemi and the issues facing it, I do prefer more additives and heavier base oils. I would ask Travis about the 5w30 m1 euro in your location, but yes I would make the change as PUP has continually migrated down with visc thanks to it's appeasing Uncle Sam, and it has taken a hit for it imo. Furthermore, this industry you need to re-evaluate all the time or just stick with one thing and forget about facts, because it is always changing. RP and Valvoline have had dramatic changes back and forth for 20 years or so. Amsoil as well. For now it looks like the euro's dropped the move for micro thin oil but USA is still heading that way. I trust the euro oils more at this point especially the 0w30's but the entire group should be studied. Yes I would want thicker oil then in the 9's for a hemi, plus additives.
 

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@Burla

Here is a real-world look into PUP 5w-20 versus Red Line 5w-30 highlighting the differences in various additives especially Molybdenum, and viscosity as well.

The UOA at 109,000 was PUP 5w-20 and the one at 115,000 was RL 5W-30...

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@Burla

Here is a real-world look into PUP 5w-20 versus Red Line 5w-30 highlighting the differences in various additives especially Molybdenum, and viscosity as well.

The UOA at 109,000 was PUP 5w-20 and the one at 115,000 was RL 5W-30...

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thanks mudge, perfect uoa to prove the point, that wear numbers is a good gauge for how on engine is doing, no as much how an oil is doing, with the exception for those oils out of min spec. Minute movements in wear numbers isn't a gauge here, if the engine had an issue we would see radical changes. Good to view shear as well. That being said, there is a reason why PUP is the favorite oil on the board, a good choice for sure. But we also know what redline does, so thanks again.
 

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In fairness, PUP had no choice but to go API SP for the mass market. Their hand was forced by U.S. EPA, the cause of all our current woes by over-regulation.

And so, many of us soldier on with anti-SP oil for Hemi, but ALSO for our mouse mobiles that are running high BMEP. Again, also caused by U.S. EPA.

*sigh*
 

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I wish someone, preferably with a Pentastar, would try this for a run and get an oil report.

That way I won't be the tester., plus, I have two more oil changes of PUP 5/30 in stock, and my changes are minimum 13-14 months apart, and probably longer now that I'm not working.

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I wonder if a 2022 VOA is the same as a soon to be 2026 VOA?

I would like a tad higher visc that the PUP 5/30, but, the UOAs of it look good on my truck, with great wear numbers. I guess that's all that's really important.

I may stick with the PUP I have instead of using it all up in the wife's car. PUP seems to be doing great in it. A tad tickier than the Castrol I was running, but that was a few Castrol formulas ago, so that isn't relevant today either.
 

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For those of you interested, The Motor Oil Geek just posted a video comparing several brands, Redline , Mobil truck, PUP, Amsoil, among others. It was interesting. Redline fell behind in a few areas. He ran them all through an engine dyno, then tested the oil.
 

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For those of you interested, The Motor Oil Geek just posted a video comparing several brands, Redline , Mobil truck, PUP, Amsoil, among others. It was interesting. Redline fell behind in a few areas. He ran them all through an engine dyno, then tested the oil.

I believe this is the post/link you are referring to, posted by @Travis8352

 

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