Boost, Cam, Gears, etc Whats my Options

[1NastyHemi13]

Is there a supercharger kit out for the 13 hemi rams yet? If so how well are our motors handling boost? Im not to up on how strong the internals of these motors are.. That along with the tranny as well. Im tossing back and forth the idea of supercharging my truck if it wont push what its capable of handling to high... Or just adding a cam. I seen some talk about cams on here. what cams can we swap into these trucks that would be ok for daily driving? Where do I get them what all do I need so forth. Lastly, from what I'm being told I cant change gears in my 4x4 with 3.55's is that true? Im not swapping out front ends just to do gears that's silly at the moment. Is it possible to atleast get a factory 3.92 gear for front and rear? or no? Id appreciate any and all knowledge an help guys. Thanks.

 

[BlackRamHemi]

No Soup For YOU!

Sorry, even the 2012's are waiting for tuning for supercharger kits.

Tuning is VERY hit and Miss for a 4G VVT Cam as well, don't go there, trust me!

Do you have an 8 speed or 6 speed trans?

I'm over $10k into my boost build so far, and still not done yet (all DIY install)
There's a LONG list of supporting mods required to Boost a 4G Hemi
...not to mention you are kissing your warranty goodbye.

The weakest links when adding boost:

Stock Transmission will Fail!...custom trans and a good TC...$4K
Stock Hemi ring lands are too narrow for much more than 4 psi
So you need a good Water/**** Kit or a Forged Piston upgrade.

I'm currently running my 10' Hemi at 8psi, 500whp and going onto transmission build #3

Gotta PAY to Play LOL!

 

[DavidRam]

No Soup For YOU!

Sorry, even the 2012's are waiting for tuning for supercharger kits.

Tuning is VERY hit and Miss for a 4G VVT Cam as well, don't go there, trust me!

Do you gave an 8 speed or 6 speed trans?

I'm over $10k into my boost build so far, and still not done yet (all DIY install)
There's a LONG list of supporting mods required to Boost a 4G Hemi
...not to mention you are kissing your warranty goodbye.

The weakest links when adding boost:

Stock Transmission will Fail!...custom trans and a good TC...$4K
Stock Hemi ring lands are too narrow for much more than 4 psi
So you need a good Water/**** Kit or a Forged Piston upgrade.

I'm currently running my 10' Hemi at 8psi, 500whp and going onto transmission build #3

Gotta PAY to Play LOL!

^^^ That's crazy! Crazy awesome!

 

[1NastyHemi13]

I have a 6 speed trans, whats the max these trans can take? I have no problem building the trans. Sounds like these trucks are still to new for the aftermarket still. Even though theres some stuff out, still seems its to new to start jumping into big mods. Damn

 

[BlackRamHemi]

Ripp Stage III Vortec V3 supercharger kit, driveway installed...with basic hand tools

Alcohol Injection Systems (Water/**** kit) from http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/

Triple Gauge install and all the sensors/wiring (Fuel Pressure, Vac-Boost, Air/Fuel wideband)

Transmission swap time... (must remove the exhaust, transfercase, both drive shafts)







ATS 3000 Stall Triple Disc Torque converter for better holding power ($1000)

If you cant DYI everything, your looking at $15k +

 

[BlackRamHemi]

Just about to replace the OD clutches on my Built Trans...

Mike (MGH) from L&M Customs, who built my custom transmission
sent me new Alto Red Eagle OD frictions for the rebuild.
He said if I ran into any roadblocks he would walk me through it over the phone/computer
(cheaper alternative to shipping the trans a thousand miles both directions)

and he was kind enough to send a full set of clutch packs from one of his old cores
(that appear to be in very good shape) to rebuild my old stock trans too.
So I'm going to practice surgery on that one first, since its already out and on the bench.

Stock Frictions/Steels



L&M Over Drive Frictions


I found an awesome teardown vid on YouTube:

Transmission Repair - 45RFE Transmission Teardown Inspection - YouTube

That's a **** load of snap rings lol,
Hopefully we won't need to go that deep into it to get just the OD frictions though.


Got one of these off ebay:



If all goes well with my stock trans, we'll tackle removing the L&M trans from my truck the following weekend
then re-install along with my new Long Tube JBA Headers that are on the way from Moe's.

 

[Lhemi]

Our trans barely hold up the the stock HP.

 

[BlackRamHemi]

Mike (mgh) from L&M Customs out of Delaware is building up 545RFE's using superior 68RFE (Diesel transmission) frictions, machining room for substantially more of them (Like 20! more!), Boosting pump/line pressure by 40-50 psi by modifying the pump and reworking the valve body, for greater holding power under boosted applications. Then tuning it all ( a KEY Component!) to work in harmony with Josh from HHP

Mike learned by trial and error what it takes for a successful 545RFE boost proof build.
He was a pioneer for boosting 4G Hemi Rams with his own 09' RCSB AWD Twin Turbo build.
He doesn't post much on the forums and known a little better on DT and RFz.










That's the Ram I based most of my build on, and he has been a mentor to me during my build.

The only reason my built trans failed was I was running it without the proper tuning,
I burnt up the OD frictions and lost 4th gear (also did not run a quick learn program after install)

 

[1NastyHemi13]

I can do all the work myself no problem that's not my worry by any means, Im just trying to gather up as much knowledge on these trucks as to whats out in the aftermarket to do and as well as find out how they hold up along with what I can do to make my truck hold up to power before going crazy into the build.

 

[RamHemi5.7]

they really need to start on the 8 speed tuning, and figure all that out.

 

[BlackRamHemi]

Cool. just making sure.

There's a lot of kids out there full of **** and vinegar that think they can just buy a kit for $5k and go out and whoop everyone in town.
Most don't realize everything that's involved that can cost up to three times that.
After I point out the missing pieces and poke holes in their plan they often change their minds.

 

[1NastyHemi13]

Cool. just making sure.

There's a lot of kids out there full of **** and vinegar that think they can just buy a kit for $5k and go out and whoop everyone in town.
Most don't realize everything that's involved that can cost up to three times that.
After I point out the missing pieces and poke holes in their plan they often change their minds.

Naw im not limited to just basic bolt on stuff etc. I have a degree in automotive, diesel, and CNG (compressed natural gas vehicles). like I said just gathering up the knowledge before jumping into the pit an making a mistake. Seems like I should give the market some more time to tweak things and open up more. Plus give my build bank time to grow a bit more haha. I appreciate all the help.

 

[BlackRamHemi]

Your biggest roadblock right now is tuning,

If you want to push and get it quicker ,
.... the boys at Arrington are your best bet

shopHEMI.com

 

[BlackRamHemi]

Our trans barely hold up the the stock HP.

Very True

Buy a Built one and keep your stocker for a spare
DIY replacing a $100 worth of OD frictions means less down time
(not to mention saving thousands of dollars in labor)

A Buddy and I just rebuilt my stock trans clutches by installing fresh frictions/steels
with just basic hand tools a manual and a youtube video

Drained Trans, Removed all the sensors, then the pan
and left the rear section on, since we don't need access the low/reverse sprag



Valve Body out




Pump Out


1st drum assembly out that houses the OD and UD frictions/steels







Cracked the drum open to pull out the frictions and steels



Burned up Over Drive frictions/steels came out first


Going in for the Under Drive Frictions


Under Drive frictions and steels were flawless


Next drum to come out holds the 2c frictions and steels,


But first we swapped the replacement OD frictions/steels Mike sent,
Re-installed my good UD frictions/steels and closed up the first drum.
(to minimize the amount of frictions,steels,bearings and snap rings sitting around loose.)

I sent a quick text to Mike to ask if it was still necessary to go onto the next set,
because the U/D frictions looked so clean, He replied right away, Yes 2C can often be the worst
...he was right.

Pulled the 2C frictions/steels, steels were burned up pretty bad, chunks missing out the frictions


Swapped the ones Mike sent me and re-installed the housing and snap rings

Everything went back in just about as easy as it came out,
Pretty much impossible to do incorrectly because the snap rings wont line up
with the grooves if you got something in the wrong order/position.

Total bench time, not counting a pizza break was probably an hour and a bit.
...and most of that was mopping up fluid and cleaning the old RTV off the pan.

Within the next week or two we'll drop the L&M trans out of my truck
and replace the OD frictions in the first drum assembly.
Filters and Fluid ready to go,
just waiting on my header collector flange/reducers.

 

[1NastyHemi13]

Very True

Buy a Built one and keep your stocker for a spare
DIY replacing a $100 worth of OD frictions means less down time
(not to mention saving thousands of dollars in labor)

A Buddy and I just rebuilt my stock trans clutches by installing fresh frictions/steels
with just basic hand tools a manual and a youtube video

Drained Trans, Removed all the sensors, then the pan
and left the rear section on, since we don't need access the low/reverse sprag



Valve Body out




Pump Out


1st drum assembly out that houses the OD and UD frictions/steels







Cracked the drum open to pull out the frictions and steels



Burned up Over Drive frictions/steels came out first


Going in for the Under Drive Frictions


Under Drive frictions and steels were flawless


Next drum to come out holds the 2c frictions and steels,


But first we swapped the replacement OD frictions/steels Mike sent,
Re-installed my good UD frictions/steels and closed up the first drum.
(to minimize the amount of frictions,steels,bearings and snap rings sitting around loose.)

I sent a quick text to Mike to ask if it was still necessary to go onto the next set,
because the U/D frictions looked so clean, He replied right away, Yes 2C can often be the worst
...he was right.

Pulled the 2C frictions/steels, steels were burned up pretty bad, chunks missing out the frictions


Swapped the ones Mike sent me and re-installed the housing and snap rings

Everything went back in just about as easy as it came out,
Pretty much impossible to do incorrectly because the snap rings wont line up
with the grooves if you got something in the wrong order/position.

Total bench time, not counting a pizza break was probably an hour and a bit.
...and most of that was mopping up fluid and cleaning the old RTV off the pan.

Within the next week or two we'll drop the L&M trans out of my truck
and replace the OD frictions in the first drum assembly.
Filters and Fluid ready to go,
just waiting on my header collector flange/reducers.

Who and where can I get a built trans or buy the stuff to build my own?

 

[Jmhm17]

All the money your putting into transmissions wouldnt it be cheaper to swap in a 6speed from a challenger? I always wondered how easy it was to interchange the motors and tranys from different platforms.

Also dosnt procharger make a P1 kit for the Ram? Isnt that the kit that Stacy David did on Gears?

Also that TT setup is sick, you just cant ever drive it in the rain, or through water. but damn I didnt realize how much work it is to boost these trucks, I figured if the Hemi cars can do it we could do it too. Seems like thats not the case..

 

[BlackRamHemi]

All the money your putting into transmissions wouldnt it be cheaper to swap in a 6speed from a challenger? I always wondered how easy it was to interchange the motors and tranys from different platforms.

Also dosnt procharger make a P1 kit for the Ram? Isnt that the kit that Stacy David did on Gears?

Also that TT setup is sick, you just cant ever drive it in the rain, or through water. but damn I didnt realize how much work it is to boost these trucks, I figured if the Hemi cars can do it we could do it too. Seems like thats not the case..

The Rams PCM and Trans controllers are digitally linked/locked together,
So you would need a stand alone program to control a different transmission,
and a master programmer to remove/overwrite the trans portion out of the Rams PCM/TCM.
Its just not that simple.

charonblk07 (Kurtis) has a ProCharger in his 09'
but he needed custom tuning from HHP to get it tuned
DODGE RAM FORUM - Dodge Truck Forums - View Profile: charonblk07

(He is also running an L&M Customs transmission like myself and my buddy Brad (MGRAM)
...who also has a Ripp kit on his 10' Ram.

(MGH) Mike at L&M has built and tuned over a dozen Ram transmission for Boost applications.
there are other builds out there, but as far as I know he's the only one that includes tuning...a key factor.

Build the trans with superior frictions (from Diesel 68RFE)
Machine the backing plates to allow for substantially more of them (20+ total)
modify valve body and pump for higher line pressure (+40-50psi)
Then Tuning to make it all function in harmony.

take out any one of those and its only as strong as the weakest link = failure

If you send him your core, the charge is just $2500 (includes everything including tuning)
If you want him to pick up a used core and build it, you pay $500 more (if you want to keep your core)
If you want an upgraded Torque Converter, Mike recommends an ATS Triple Lok $1000 (his cost)