Fog lights with high beams

[Kapt]

Please refer to your own state laws. All states are not the same. To make a broad statement as that is improper. With dual beam headlights there would only be four lights with high beams and fogs.

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The high beams count as two lights each making four. That's why your fog lights turn off when you turn on your high beams because that would make six lights. At least that's what a cop told me

 

[magician]

Magician.....to answer your question first, the person who rents the "AutoEnginuity" (AE) on the cummins forum is "4X4X4Door".

Now like 1500ram12 mentions, there is the Alpha OBD program that is available that will also do fogs with high beams. It will also do MANY more things. The Alpha program and an OBD dongle that is used to connect to the truck's BCM cost about $125. A screaming deal if are planning to do additional mods to your Ram.

Should you just rent an AE or get the Alpha OBD? Depends like I said on your goals. I pasted below a link to a thread that is now the most popular on the whole forum and its about the Alpha OBD. Yes it is a massive thread. Work your way through it and you will be able to understand all that the Alpha OBD can do in addition to the fogs/high beams.

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/alfaobd.123982/

I should’ve specified why I was asking as I don’t really care about the high beam w/fogs, looking at some other things to go along with what I’ve done to the truck.

Thanks for the link.

 

[waross63]

Consulting local laws is always important. Most things like this are generally only an issue after midnight (a reason to pull you over for a dwi check) and first and last of the month tickets. Just about all law enforcement agencies have a ticket quota. Yes it does exist. It's a informal rule. Here in my area of NY, troopers, sheriff's and local pd have a 2 ticket per shift per individual so something like fogs with highs (if anyone knows it's illegal) would be a fix it ticket or just a reason to pull you over.


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It has been ruled on by the courts numerous times that ticket quotas are improper at best and illegal in most cases. I am a retired police officer of 25 years and have taught and spoken to officers in departments all over the nation and not heard of one that has a ticket quota. If you need an excuse like fog lights to make a stop for a drunk then you're not doing your job. I worked in an urban city with one of highest homicide rates in the nation. Use of an infraction like you suggest was not about a drunk but about getting thugs and ILLEGAL guns off the streets.

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[1500ram12]

It has been ruled on by the courts numerous times that ticket quotas are improper at best and illegal in most cases. I am a retired police officer of 25 years and have taught and spoken to officers in departments all over the nation and not heard of one that has a ticket quota. If you need an excuse like fog lights to make a stop for a drunk then you're not doing your job. I worked in an urban city with one of highest homicide rates in the nation. Use of an infraction like you suggest was not about a drunk but about getting thugs and ILLEGAL guns off the streets.

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My ex wife is a nys trooper and I am friends with many troopers, sheriff's and local pd, and they all are expected to have an expected amount of tickets per month, works out 2 per shift. Where I'm located 90% of there job relates to traffic violations. The rest is domestic calls and the occasion drug bust. It's not a written rule or punishable if they don't. But it does exist


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[corneileous]

I would think if you’re wanting extra highbeam light to just add a LED light-bar somewhere, or if you have those blanks in your front bumper where the tow hooks would go, some member on here attached some really neat little LED driving lights on the face of those. Or put you some lights on a bull bar and hook them up with a relay to your highbeam wire as a trigger so you get the same effect.

Even with having some really good LED’s in my fogs now, they still aren’t all that great for down-road illumination. I have LED highbeams in the premium headlights and just despite whoever it was that said led highbeams aren’t going to shine as far as halogens is full of it because mine sure do shine quite a bit.


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[Jimmy07]

The high beams count as two lights each making four. That's why your fog lights turn off when you turn on your high beams because that would make six lights. At least that's what a cop told me

That theory doesn’t hold water, either. The quads and projector headlights for our trucks keep the low beam bulbs on with the highs.

 

[Kapt]

That theory doesn’t hold water, either. The quads and projector headlights for our trucks keep the low beam bulbs on with the highs.

Thus making four lights when your high beams are on

 

[Jimmy07]

Thus making four lights when your high beams are on

I was thinking by what you said (high beams counting as two lights each), quads would then have 6 lights illuminated when the highs are on?
Edit: unless I misunderstood what you were trying to say

 

[1500ram12]

I was thinking by what you said (high beams counting as two lights each), quads would then have 6 lights illuminated when the highs are on?
Edit: unless I misunderstood what you were trying to say

That's technically correct


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[Kapt]

I was thinking by what you said (high beams counting as two lights each), quads would then have 6 lights illuminated when the highs are on?
Edit: unless I misunderstood what you were trying to say

No, because in a quad system the low beams turn off when you go to high beam vs. a two light system they do not. Remember the low beam bulbs double as a high and low beam. Unless I'm completely mistaken of course. In which case my entire argument is nothing but crap

 

[JB1]

Who drives with their high beams on with oncoming traffic anyway?.....troopers would ticket you for that with or without your fogs on

I look at this mod (fogs/highs) being beneficial on a back street or road without oncoming traffic, so to me worrying about law enforcement is irrelevant because they won’t be around.

It’s a simple setting change with AlfaOBD and completely reversible if you ever changed your mind.

 

[Jimmy07]

No, because in a quad system the low beams turn off when you go to high beam vs. a two light system they do not. Remember the low beam bulbs double as a high and low beam. Unless I'm completely mistaken of course. In which case my entire argument is nothing but crap

Got it switched around- quad headlights burn the high and low bulbs together= 4 front lights. Duals (09-12 trucks) use one bulb, so when the highs are on, the low beam circuit shuts down. I (personally) believe those with duals that have their fogs on with highs would technically be within the law. BUT...at the end of the day, I think the whole fogs with highs argument is moot because nobody should be able to be close enough to you to determine your highs and fogs are on, since the highs would have been switched off by then.

 

[joshuaeb09]

Who drives with their high beams on with oncoming traffic anyway?.....troopers would ticket you for that with or without your fogs on

I look at this mod (fogs/highs) being beneficial on a back street or road without oncoming traffic, so to me worrying about law enforcement is irrelevant because they won’t be around.

It’s a simple setting change with AlfaOBD and completely reversible if you ever changed your mind.

I don't know of anyone around here that's been ticketed for the aptly named bambi mod. Hell I've even seen the troopers and county cops running their front floods on the county roads when no ones around. I plan to step it up a notch when I get around to replacing the meh Morimotos with the baja design's bracket. A set of Squadron sports in wide cornering on the fog light circuit and squadron pros in driving relayed off the high beam.

 

[leroys73]

I know this is somewhat of an older thread.

Why can't a person run a relay(s) to actuate the fog lights with the high beams with the 12v power running through a relay controlled fuse block to the relay controlling the signal from the high beams to the fog lights. Plus another relay in line controlled by the fog light switch from the fuse block to the relay controlling the high beam signal to the fog light relay. I did this on two of my motorcycles.

Sounds complicated but it really is not. I bought a fuse block with power controlled by a relay that is activated when the key is turned on. My truck has the switches on the dash for accessories so I think I could eliminate the fuse block.

The BMW motorcycle owners run all add on accessories through a fuse block to by pass the CanBus system.

I am not sure if this method will "fool" the Ram system or not.

Any input would be helpful.

 

[Jimmy07]

I know this is somewhat of an older thread.

Why can't a person run a relay(s) to actuate the fog lights with the high beams with the 12v power running through a relay controlled fuse block to the relay controlling the signal from the high beams to the fog lights. Plus another relay in line controlled by the fog light switch from the fuse block to the relay controlling the high beam signal to the fog light relay. I did this on two of my motorcycles.

Sounds complicated but it really is not. I bought a fuse block with power controlled by a relay that is activated when the key is turned on. My truck has the switches on the dash for accessories so I think I could eliminate the fuse block.

The BMW motorcycle owners run all add on accessories through a fuse block to by pass the CanBus system.

I am not sure if this method will "fool" the Ram system or not.

Any input would be helpful.

Because doing all that is WAY too much work as opposed to just using AlfaOBD to enable the BCM to run the fog lights with the highs.

 

[leroys73]

Because doing all that is WAY too much work as opposed to just using AlfaOBD to enable the BCM to run the fog lights with the highs.

Damn, I just switched to Apple. Oh well I am old school and would probably screw up using the modern technology anyway. Hell, I have trouble with the smart phone. I like the idea though as I would like to make some other changes. Maybe my granddaughter can do it for me. LOL

 

[corneileous]

Because doing all that is WAY too much work as opposed to just using AlfaOBD to enable the BCM to run the fog lights with the highs.

That does sound like a lot of work but if your someone like me who has a new enough truck, and also has never-ending warranty, those relays might be easier and less intrusive to the system, if it would work. Since upgrading my factory projectors to HID lows and LED highs, I don’t have much use now for the need of running my fogs with my highbeams. If I didn’t have the warranty to deal with, and if I didn’t have to remove my radio just to get to the security module that I have to bypass first in order to reprogram, I’d probably still be all over the programming part but adding those relays might be easier in the long run for someone in the same boat as me.


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[Jimmy07]

That does sound like a lot of work but if your someone like me who has a new enough truck, and also has never-ending warranty, those relays might be easier and less intrusive to the system, if it would work. Since upgrading my factory projectors to HID lows and LED highs, I don’t have much use now for the need of running my fogs with my highbeams. If I didn’t have the warranty to deal with, and if I didn’t have to remove my radio just to get to the security module that I have to bypass first in order to reprogram, I’d probably still be all over the programming part but adding those relays might be easier in the long run for someone in the same boat as me.


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I would say it would be the opposite way around- the relays being wired in would be a prime candidate for them to deny any type of warranty work that had to do with electrical, whereas all you are doing with the alfaobd is changing a parameter that is built in and intended for by the manufacturer, and will MOST CERTAINLY go unnoticed.
No need to pull the radio to bypass the gateway. The one that M2mods offers plugs in right above the brake pedal and can be removed in under a minute.

 

[WY-Dave]

if I didn’t have to remove my radio just to get to the security module that I have to bypass first in order to reprogram, I’d probably still be all over the programming part but adding those relays might be easier in the long run for someone in the same boat as me.

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The AEV kit looks to be pretty good. Reviewer one one site said that it works with AlphaOBD. Also it is said that it allows the readers to use the vehicle specific OBD codes vs. the generic codes. When I hook up to my reader it reconizes as a "Dodge" product but can't "find it".


https://www.aev-conversions.com/aev-ram-procal-now-compatible-2018-ram-trucks/

 

[corneileous]

The AEV kit looks to be pretty good. Reviewer one one site said that it works with AlphaOBD. Also it is said that it allows the readers to use the vehicle specific OBD codes vs. the generic codes. When I hook up to my reader it reconizes as a "Dodge" product but can't "find it".


https://www.aev-conversions.com/aev-ram-procal-now-compatible-2018-ram-trucks/

But wouldn’t Chrysler’s computer diagnostics be able to tell something was different?


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