How To Add Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

[DeereGuy]

Anyone have and is willing to part with the 6 pin harness that runs from the center console rear seat buttons to driver side seat? I'm tracing out all the needed wiring and it would be helpful if I could get my hands on that harness. I don't need the buttons. I have found all of the connectors that we need to hook up the back seats except for the connectors that plug into the rear switches. Nobody seems to have them in stock.


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[WilliamS]

If I had them Id send it to you mate. Do you just need the colors or you need the harness. I have a truck on my lot that has them but I cant pull it apart, ya know its for sale.

 

[00R/T]

Im starting to see a divide of options slowly. The 2013 back and 2014 forward seem to have a difference in options allowed. Can any confirm the BCM on the model years to see if thats a fact?

I'm not sure what you're asking about.

 

[00R/T]

Anyone have and is willing to part with the 6 pin harness that runs from the center console rear seat buttons to driver side seat? I'm tracing out all the needed wiring and it would be helpful if I could get my hands on that harness. I don't need the buttons. I have found all of the connectors that we need to hook up the back seats except for the connectors that plug into the rear switches. Nobody seems to have them in stock.


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I'm assuming this harness is unique to the consoles with heated rear seats? If all the console harnesses are the same and have the plugs even without the buttons, I might be able to help.

 

[WilliamS]

I'm not sure what you're asking about.

You and a few guys have options missing that the 2016 trucks have in the BCM such as the ventilated leather option. So where is the divide in that option. Im sure there are more but thats the one that piqued my memory at this point. So what models years had a firmware or part updated?

 

[CuylerTech]

Yeah I can buy the module for $299 or drive out to Orlando for something, didnt ask much more than that. Im sure when Im there they can offer me a price but Im not rolling the dice for that. Driving to Orlando is awful enough.

I have power fold mirrors now, I wonder if they are already memory or does dodge really make 100 different mirrors for options? We will see. That will be my next fight is the mirror dip in reverse.

Im buying the AE tool as soon as I finish writing this sentence. I cant justify $299 for a plug in OBD that costs $8 bucks and can only be used once. I understand Im paying for the software development and R&D but thats a bit much. I had a free app to add sales codes to a BMW that was written by an enthusiast and uses a $14 obd/usb cable and uses an android phone! Im sure the OBDGenie works, Im not questioning that but its a 1 use and then its trash, so Ill spend the extra $150 to allow me to help other members and add more to my truck down the line.

Its not one and done, its vin locked so you cant send it around to 100 people and they can all activate off one genie. If you go in for a dealer flash and they update the BCM you can reuse it to reflash it. Its unlimited uses on w/e vin its plugged into first.

 

[WilliamS]

Its not one and done, its vin locked so you cant send it around to 100 people and they can all activate off one genie. If you go in for a dealer flash and they update the BCM you can reuse it to reflash it. Its unlimited uses on w/e vin its plugged into first.

Makes sense, but its for a limited set of options. Not saying its bad, but for the money and I plan to do more I want the ability to do so. I didnt even think about when the dealer messed up the truck when you go in for service. Neat trick.

 

[DeereGuy]

I'm assuming this harness is unique to the consoles with heated rear seats? If all the console harnesses are the same and have the plugs even without the buttons, I might be able to help.

No they are unique to the consoles with the heated rear seats that have the buttons. For people with the center console with the heated seat buttons, it looks like they will only have to run 3 wires to each side, all originating from the 20 pin gray connector under the driver seat. For the people with the jumpseat like me, it will be a lot more complex as the buttons will have to be mounted somewhere else and a new harness created from the drivers seat to each button.

I'm going to upgrade the schematic that I drew to show the correct pins and connectors, but I think I'm going to pass on the back seats. At least for now.


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[WilliamS]

No they are unique to the consoles with the heated rear seats that have the buttons. For people with the center console with the heated seat buttons, it looks like they will only have to run 3 wires to each side, all originating from the 20 pin gray connector under the driver seat. For the people with the jumpseat like me, it will be a lot more complex as the buttons will have to be mounted somewhere else and a new harness created from the drivers seat to each button.

I'm going to upgrade the schematic that I drew to show the correct pins and connectors, but I think I'm going to pass on the back seats. At least for now.


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Just took a look, its a thick harness for only 6 wires, and they are all frigin green. The Laramie limited i tried the heated wheel from has them. I cant recall from my Jeep or my 300S that had the rear heated seats if there were soft keys in the radio. Might be better option than creating a switch plate?

 

[cptwing]

I might have went with the Genie if they had priced it what it is worth, rather than ripping people off. I'm sure the Genie itself as WillamS pointed out cost about $10.00 bucks to make. And the software is not exactly rocket science it just turns on items in the BCM that are for the most part already there. So if the Genie were priced at say 50.00 for one code and $25.00 for each additional I might have went that way. I realize this is a small market and in order to make it a worth while venture they need a fairly high profit margin but the price is riduclous. IMO

 

[WilliamS]

I might have went with the Genie if they had priced it what it is worth, rather than ripping people off. I'm sure the Genie itself as WillamS pointed out cost about $10.00 bucks to make. And the software is not exactly rocket science it just turns on items in the BCM that are for the most part already there. So if the Genie were priced at say 50.00 for one code and $25.00 for each additional I might have went that way. I realize this is a small market and in order to make it a worth while venture they need a fairly high profit margin but the price is riduclous. IMO

For what it does to someone without the background or risk, I think its perfect. Plug it in, does it job, unplug it. The price is what they think is fair. Pretty ingenious batch file it runs just to add its components and then finish.


Although Im not for it, lets not make this an against it thread. Some people may be savy enough to unbolt a seat and put one back in (luckily its all i needed to do) but software and coding might not be in their abilities.

 

[cptwing]

I agree their but as far as pricing it they priced not what is fair but what the feel the can get away with.


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[Dodgetk81]

Anyone have and is willing to part with the 6 pin harness that runs from the center console rear seat buttons to driver side seat? I'm tracing out all the needed wiring and it would be helpful if I could get my hands on that harness. I don't need the buttons. I have found all of the connectors that we need to hook up the back seats except for the connectors that plug into the rear switches. Nobody seems to have them in stock.


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I may have them, but I won't be home until Friday to check. Do you have a pic or diagram of the connector you are looking for?

 

[00R/T]

The genies were designed from the ground up in house, custom pcb design, thousands of hours of R&D. If it wasn't rocket science then how come nobody else has offered one? It took 4 engineers to figure how to make it work and each code is completely unique on how it works. Not just type in what you want and you're good to go.

I think working in R&D on technology products has given me an appreciation for the amount of NRE investment required, even for fairly simple products. Engineers don't come cheap (at least us good ones don't) and it adds up real fast.

 

[CuylerTech]

I think working in R&D on technology products has given me an appreciation for the amount of NRE investment required, even for fairly simple products. Engineers don't come cheap (at least us good ones don't) and it adds up real fast.

Next time youre in FL give me a shout and ill show you around the place. If you still have my # give me a buzz when you get a chance.


A low end estimation is roughly 200 hours of combined time between the team to figure out 1 genie.

 

[MaizeNBlue]

.... I will just be over here working on this mod

 

[cptwing]

Working as an Engineer at the Nation’s largest U-boat factory. Taking part in designing the most sophisticated and deadly nuclear powered weapons platform in the world for 35 plus years, I think I know a thing or two about R & D.

First off that little gismo may have taken some R & D, but not 200.00 per copy's worth. What is the real world cost to produce those things 10.00? As for the software I am 100% sure that is not the case. The little sub routine that auto executes the install may have taken some time to develop, but the guts of the program are likely a simple hack or at best reversed engineered Fiat software (perhaps even licensed by Fiat or its intellectual partners). Nobody else thought of it, really???? How is that any different from any program that auto launches and installs or changes setting on a chip or module? It’s not.

Let’s look at these guys 300.00 for a hybrid bezel with a 10.00 rheostat and some wires that do not even work right, causing random canbus errors. Or the non-volume control model for 150.00. Scorsche sells something similar for 29.00

It’s clear you have an agenda here with these things and that is to make money for you and your buddies.

So I agree it is a novel product and will help folks who just want a simple quick fix, but it is by far not any miracle of technology and priced about 400% over what it should be.

 

[cptwing]

Looks like someone is up to their old tricks again 57Buick got banned, and a few others got threatagrams, bet I know who is behind it.

 

[allena]

Does anyone have a recommended place for purchasing their seats?? Are most people using eBay or car-part? Using car-part kinda scares me because you won't really know if the seats have been in the weather or not.

 

[allena]

Also would it matter if the seats came from a 2500 or 3500? Or do I need to just stick to getting 1500 seats to help eliminate variables?