How To Add Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

[00R/T]

1C6RR7LT3FS527255- 68217268AD

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Mine came from a 2016....

It's probably not important, but it might be at some point so I'll add it to the pile. I just picked up my seats which came from that second VIN and the p/n matches TechAuthority - 68058083AH.

They're from a 2013 Laramie with everything (including heated rear seats).

 

[cptwing]

Putting seats, clock spring and switches in tomorrow.

 

[Ricks Ram]

Putting seats, clock spring and switches in tomorrow.

That's great. Let us know how it all goes.

 

[00R/T]

Adding Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

Putting seats, clock spring and switches in tomorrow.

I'll be a bit behind you on the seats. Mine are gonna need some rehab first.

 

[69mach1]

Just checking what the clock spring MIL light looks like? Since I was replacing my dash today and getting ready for the heated steering wheel and heat/cool seats I thought I'd go ahead check my horn circuit and while I was at it I'd install the heated steering wheel clock spring(bought new/used from a member). Just to eliminate my steering wheel being the horn issue I also swapped in a new to me brown leather heated steering wheel. I verified the center of the clock spring was set the same as my non heated clock spring. After putting it back together I was pleased to once again have my TPMS working again and the top right display reads the outside temperature The bummer part came when I turned the steering wheel to the left about one full turn CCW a dash warning light right next to the check engine light came on. It's not the traction control light but it has a truck with squiggly lines.
Is that indicative of a bad clock spring or is it the fact that the heated wheel is installed bu not fully wired up yet(CSWM falut?)? I'm hoping the later...
Does anybody know? Also for you guys that have upgraded the cluster do you have a Compass reading on the dash? I had a 5.0 radio & 3" cluster and the compass was displayed on the radio. I now have
(thank you dodgetk81) the 2013 7" cluster and 2016 8.4RA4 and no longer have the compass displayed anywhere I can find.

Anybody have information on either of these issues?

Thanks,
Jon aka 69mach1

Dash Fog light

Dash Clock Spring MIL light?

I expect it will. Your CSWM was throwing fault codes because it didn't see the wheel, so it knows it's supposed to be there. Remember, every truck with that module has heated front seats and wheel. Only heated rear seats and ventilated front seats are options.

 

[00R/T]

That light is not specific to the clockspring, but rather it is indicating a fault with the stability control. This is most likely because your clockspring is reporting an incorrect steering angle.

It sounds like you bought a clockspring that was not centered. Was it pinned into position when you received it?

 

[DeereGuy]

I ran around for a week with the CSWM powered and no heated wheel and it never turned the MIL on. I had DTCs in the CSWM, but never actually bubbled up to a MIL. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on the forum where the same thing happened to another member when they were replacing the steering wheel and the clockspring turned a revolution on them. It may have been cptwing but I'm not sure.


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[WilliamS]

I had no lights, they were just hidden codes. Had/have them for the wheel, and rear heated seats. It makes no mention of the cooled seats in the soft codes. Had a few more but that's from a bad battery 2 months ago.

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[cptwing]

Yes that was me! Hint when removing steering wheel leave the bolt in the shaft a few threads till it comes free. When I removed mine I forgot to do that and the clock spring rotated, when I put the wheel back on I must have guessed wrong and it was 180 degrees out. This quickly woke up Mr squiggly which I thought was the traction control warning light. Also the lines in the backup camera went wacko. To fix it I rotated 180 and recheck the backup camera lines, and they went fine and Mr suiggly disappeared.

As far as the compass on the EVIC, if you started with the 5.0 you should have had that in the EVIC even with the cheap cluster. I started with the 3.0 radio and did not have it in the cluster, but once I upgraded to the premium Evic I had it? Now I want to try to add it to the Radio using the AE.

 

[Ricks Ram]

Just checking what the clock spring MIL light looks like? Since I was replacing my dash today and getting ready for the heated steering wheel and heat/cool seats I thought I'd go ahead check my horn circuit and while I was at it I'd install the heated steering wheel clock spring(bought new/used from a member). Just to eliminate my steering wheel being the horn issue I also swapped in a new to me brown leather heated steering wheel. I verified the center of the clock spring was set the same as my non heated clock spring. After putting it back together I was pleased to once again have my TPMS working again and the top right display reads the outside temperature The bummer part came when I turned the steering wheel to the left about one full turn CCW a dash warning light right next to the check engine light came on. It's not the traction control light but it has a truck with squiggly lines.
Is that indicative of a bad clock spring or is it the fact that the heated wheel is installed bu not fully wired up yet(CSWM falut?)? I'm hoping the later...
Does anybody know? Also for you guys that have upgraded the cluster do you have a Compass reading on the dash? I had a 5.0 radio & 3" cluster and the compass was displayed on the radio. I now have
(thank you dodgetk81) the 2013 7" cluster and 2016 8.4RA4 and no longer have the compass displayed anywhere I can find.

Anybody have information on either of these issues?

Thanks,
Jon aka 69mach1

Dash Fog light

Dash Clock Spring MIL light?

As RT stated the squiggly lines (Traction Control) would suggest the clockspring most likely being the issue. It possibly could be off a revolution one way or the other. Part of your traction/stability control is the steering position sensor. If the clock spring is off it's going to cause a fault. If you have a backup camera put the truck in reverse and see if the grid lines correspond with your steering wheel position. As far as your compass heading not coming up on your radio or your EVIC that is deffently strange. My truck is a 14 and came with the RA2 radio. I too had the compass heading on my 3.5 EVIC and could make it show in the radio. I have since installed a 2013 7" cluster and a 16 RA4 radio. My compass heading still appears on my radio as well as in the 7" EVIC. You can turn on different options in your EVIC in your screen setup menu on the speedometer but I doubt it would be help due to the fact that it doesn't show up on the radio either. Did your compass heading show up on your 3.5 EVIC before you made the switch? Mine did. I think.I have heard of other people having this issue when they do the switch It seems to be kind of hit and miss. One thing I have noticed is trucks seem to be wierd about that. They are not always consistent with each other.

 

[69mach1]

Thanks guys.
First I disconnected each battery at the negative lead. My new/used clock spring was not pinned when I received it. I was very careful to check revolutions and set it to center. I had the truck front axle set on jacks so I could move the steering wheel as needed to get the air bag in position to remove the 3 clips, then I set the wheels to straight, set the truck back on the ground to keep the wheels from turning. Then I removed the steering wheel and verified the stock clock spring centering by moving just the clock spring CCW/CW, put it back to center and pinned it. Then I did the same to the heated clock spring and then installed it. (I replaced the clock spring as an assembly and didn't take it apart, not like the youtube video) Unfortunately I don't have the backup camera installed yet so I can't verify with the camera lines the angle setting.
Today I'll take off the steering wheel, verify the heated clock spring centering and try again, if that fails I'll reinstall the factory clock spring and go from there.

Regarding the compass on the EVIC which corner does it normally show up in? My temperature is only in the top right. When I put in the dash the outside temp was in the top right corner, after setting the left two gauges I then scrolled through and set the other 3 corner settings. The last one I scrolled through was the top right setting of the outside temp, quite strange as Temperature was not one of the choices and I was so bummed I thought I had it and lost it. Not sure how but exiting that setting the temp returned on the display. (not gonna mess with that one again)

Yes that was me! Hint when removing steering wheel leave the bolt in the shaft a few threads till it comes free. When I removed mine I forgot to do that and the clock spring rotated, when I put the wheel back on I must have guessed wrong and it was 180 degrees out. This quickly woke up Mr squiggly which I thought was the traction control warning light. Also the lines in the backup camera went wacko. To fix it I rotated 180 and recheck the backup camera lines, and they went fine and Mr suiggly disappeared.



As far as the compass on the EVIC, if you started with the 5.0 you should have had that in the EVIC even with the cheap cluster. I started with the 3.0 radio and did not have it in the cluster, but once I upgraded to the premium Evic I had it? Now I want to try to add it to the Radio using the AE.

 

[00R/T]

You can't center the clockspring just by counting the revolutions. The service manual actually states that if the clockspring rotates it must be discarded and replaced. Without knowing what it is reporting for a steering angle, you don't know where the center really is. Unfortunately, it's possible that the clockspring is damaged if you rotated the wheel far enough with it installed improperly. At this point I guess all you can really do is turn it 360 and see if it works.

 

[69mach1]

Thanks Rick
I don't remember the 3" EVIC showing the Compass, now I wonder if I reinstall the 5.0 radio is there is a setting in the radio I could set to get the compass on the EVIC? Anybody have pics out there of their factory 3" EVIC and 5.0 radio compass settings & display?

I'll let you know if I have any luck with the clockspring fault.

As RT stated the squiggly lines (Traction Control) would suggest the clockspring most likely being the issue. It possibly could be off a revolution one way or the other. Part of your traction/stability control is the steering position sensor. If the clock spring is off it's going to cause a fault. If you have a backup camera put the truck in reverse and see if the grid lines correspond with your steering wheel position. As far as your compass heading not coming up on your radio or your EVIC that is definitely strange. My truck is a 14 and came with the RA2 radio. I too had the compass heading on my 3.5 EVIC and could make it show in the radio. I have since installed a 2013 7" cluster and a 16 RA4 radio. My compass heading still appears on my radio as well as in the 7" EVIC. You can turn on different options in your EVIC in your screen setup menu on the speedometer but I doubt it would be help due to the fact that it doesn't show up on the radio either. Did your compass heading show up on your 3.5 EVIC before you made the switch? Mine did. I think.I have heard of other people having this issue when they do the switch It seems to be kind of hit and miss. One thing I have noticed is trucks seem to be weird about that. They are not always consistent with each other.

 

[WilliamS]

You can't center the clockspring just by counting the revolutions. The service manual actually states that if the clockspring rotates it must be discarded and replaced. Without knowing what it is reporting for a steering angle, you don't know where the center really is. Unfortunately, it's possible that the clockspring is damaged if you rotated the wheel far enough with it installed improperly. At this point I guess all you can really do is turn it 360 and see if it works.

I wonder with the service tool if you can see steering angle reported and figure it out?

 

[69mach1]

I was careful to not go to a "hard stop" so I should be okay there. It is possible the clock spring was already damaged before I got it, I knew it was a gamble for the price. There is a pair of arrows to lineup when set to zero, which I duplicated. I'll find out more today.

You can't center the clockspring just by counting the revolutions. The service manual actually states that if the clockspring rotates it must be discarded and replaced. Without knowing what it is reporting for a steering angle, you don't know where the center really is. Unfortunately, it's possible that the clockspring is damaged if you rotated the wheel far enough with it installed improperly. At this point I guess all you can really do is turn it 360 and see if it works.

 

[Ricks Ram]

Thanks Rick
I don't remember the 3" EVIC showing the Compass, now I wonder if I reinstall the 5.0 radio is there is a setting in the radio I could set to get the compass on the EVIC? Anybody have pics out there of their factory 3" EVIC and 5.0 radio compass settings & display?

I'll let you know if I have any luck with the clockspring fault.

I don't have a pic handy if the my 3.5" display but the compass heading was present. There we're several vehicles with a 5.0 radio that had an issue with the compass showing on the EVIC. Your truck may be one of those Vehicles. There are several posts on the forum about people taking it back to the dealer and the dealer telling them it was normal not to show up. This is just if the case of the Dealer's not knowing what's wrong and telling people it's normal so they don't have to deal with them. Your compass heading should have showed up on your truck before you did the switch. Part of the options on the 5.0 radio is that the compass heading appears in your EVIC as well as being able to push the compass button on your radio and have a full size compass on the screen.

 

[Ricks Ram]

Just wanted to verify I went back in with my A.E tool and double checked my codes. In my ECU memory#5 I show the Heated Wheel present but not set and I also show the Ventilated Seats present but not set. I know Deer Guy could not get his Heated Wheel or Ventilated Seats to work until he activated these two codes. All of my options work without the codes being activated, I'm really not sure why but I wanted to post it just so we can start trying to get a reference between different years and different options. I was going to activate both codes but decided not to. Everything seems to work fine I kind of went with the adage if it's not broke don't try to fix it LOL.

 

[00R/T]

I wonder with the service tool if you can see steering angle reported and figure it out?

Yes, you can see it. But, you need to have everything installed first. In the absence of a backup cam with grid lines, it would at least tell you how far and which direction you need to turn so hopefully you'd only have to take it apart once. I bench tested mine with a CAN analyzer looking at the raw packets so I knew where it was before putting it in the truck.

 

[WilliamS]

Not that its the same, but it might be. When my battery died and it was a spectacular failure in a 300c. The traction light came on, I had to "calibrate" the steering angle. Which required me to turn full left, then full right. As soon as I hit the last point it went off.

 

[DeereGuy]

Just wanted to verify I went back in with my A.E tool and double checked my codes. In my ECU memory#5 I show the Heated Wheel present but not set and I also show the Ventilated Seats present but not set. I know Deer Guy could not get his Heated Wheel or Ventilated Seats to work until he activated these two codes. All of my options work without the codes being activated, I'm really not sure why but I wanted to post it just so we can start trying to get a reference between different years and different options. I was going to activate both codes but decided not to. Everything seems to work fine I kind of went with the adage if it's not broke don't try to fix it LOL.

Do you have any DTCs persisting in your CSWM? Just curious.


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