How To Add Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

[jeepdodgeram]

So much good information in this thread. I read the first 128 pages and had to jump to the end to see the progress to date!

 

[670hoth]

I have a question that i couldn't find answered anywhere in this thread but maybe I overlooked it. Why can't I just take the power/heated/cooled seat/heated wheel wiring harness(es) from the donor truck and put them in my express?? Isn't this possible?

 

[Mpgrimm2]

I have a question that i couldn't find answered anywhere in this thread but maybe I overlooked it. Why can't I just take the power/heated/cooled seat/heated wheel wiring harness(es) from the donor truck and put them in my express?? Isn't this possible?

In some instances there are many wiring differences between the 13-18/classic 4th gens based on 1500 vs 2500/3500 as well as year to year as well as trim level & cab configurations.

Some trucks have partial sections of wiring, some have none, some have almost all of it....
... And you can't guarantee that just because the connectors match up that Ram/Stellantis kept the same signal at the same pin between trucks and actual continue all the way through the circuit ...

You'd have to identify/verify each connector/pin between the two trucks and strip out the needed sections from donor harness and add it to the receiving vehicle correctly. Not saying it can't be done, but it requires a lot of legwork.

The easiest example that comes to mind is the front end connector under the PDC for the Foglights ...

13ram1500 = pins 7&8 on 14 pin connector

13-18 2500/3500 = pins 23 & 24 on 34 pin connector

14-18/classic 1500 = pins 2 & 3 on same 34 pin connector

 

[Mpgrimm2]

For those that have power driver seat or heated only front seats and want to check if they have the wiring to support heated & vented seats with power adjust at both. (8.4 Radio and 8.4 HVAC system usually req'd)


Need to see the truck side wiring for the 2 connectors under the driver seat (i400 yel & i401 grey) and the passenger side i420 (yel) where I can clearly see both rows of wires at back of the female connectors .... NOT THE SEAT SIDE.

driver side i400 (yel) & i401 (gry)


* If i400 has 3 pink & red wires at 1,7,8 you have needed power


Passenger side i420
If i420 has pins 1-5 = heated/vented
14,15,21 are seat adj & inverter supply


Edit:
FYI for those with a 13-18/classic 1500 DS doing the 4th Gen 13-18/classic heated seat swap ...

Make sure the seats you use are from a 1500 (or check the pass.wiring first) because Chassis cab (commercial spec seats, ie some 2500+) most likely don't have the needed Passenger Seat Belt Sensor and Passenger Seat Occupant Sensor and wiring! (May just be Chassis cab Heated seat set issue)

Check the seats you're buying for needed wiring at passenger seat connector i420 pins 8, 9, & 19 so they match up with truck side connector, otherwise you will get a service passenger/occupant sensor airbag fault.

12/17/24 EDIT:
This summary from @mjf6175 is typically what to expect (minus the odd situation mentioned above from one customer of mine)

-2500's (like mine) come with seat belt sensors and airbags so they are not different in that regard.

-3500 chassis/cab (no pickup box) do not have seat belt sensors OR airbags. 3500 chassis/cab is considered a commercial truck. All 3500 WITH a pickup box will have seat belt sensors and air bags

-2500 chassis/cab I am not sure of these, BUT there is a quick "TELL". Its a visible airbag label that is sewn into the backrest seam (just below the shoulder area of the seat) on the door side of the seats. If the tag is there it has airbags and it will have the sensors.

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Example of correct 13-18/19-24 classic Laramie/limited driver seat connectors/bottom view. DON'T buy 09-12 seats or 5th Gen seats!
... (This one also has the extra "memory seat module/MSM" and extra 6 pin connector with green wires to support heated rear seat console switches).



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And for those that don't have wiring already, what you need will also be determined by the connector type near the brake pedal....


or ...


Edit:
Jared4.7 's heated pad/element replacement thread and my resistance check notes.

Post 1867, AlfaObd settings summary
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[670hoth]

For those that have power driver seat or heated only front seats and react to check if they have the wiring to support heated & vented seats with power adjust at both.


Need to see the truck side wiring for the 2 connectors under the driver seat (i400 yel & i401 grey) and the passenger side i420 (yel) where I can clearly see both rows of wires at back of the female connectors .... NOT THE SEAT SIDE.

driver side i400 (yel) & i401 (gry)

* If i400 has 3 pink & red wires at 1,7,8 you have needed power
View attachment 503146

Passenger side i420
If i420 has pins 1-5 = heated/vented
14,15,21 are seat adj & inverter supply
View attachment 503147

Thanks! I did find your post about checking the truck side of the seat connectors. After looking at them, I think its safe to say that my 2017 1500 express with manual seats has the least amount of wires it could possibly have. The donor truck is a 2015 Sport with all the options. I didn't know if there may be some connectors up under the dash that I could unplug and take the harness that runs back to the seats. Keep in mind that I am just asking. I have no idea where the wiring harness sections separate and if this is feasible. Even if I had to cut some wires in addition to unplugging the plugs it would be ok. I could figure out what is needed for connector and pin parts and pieces to make it 'mate' into the rest of my factory harness. I think even the rear seat is possibly heated and cooled so I could even try to make that work although it's not that important. I was wondering if this may help me with the wiring for the steering wheel swap to make the heat and radio controls work as well. Thanks

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Long story short I can make the needed add-on harness, but there's a bit of a wait/build list for it... Send me a message if interested.

Do you happen to know which part number we need? (2013 ram 1500)

------- Seat Switch Button Assy's (below radio) ------------

NOTE 1:
For 2015-18/Classic 4th Gen Tow/Haul & Seat Switch button Assy Part #'s, See AllMoparParts' spreadsheet Posted HERE>


NOTE 2:
If you have a 2013 (& 2014?) truck ... You need a 2013 (& 2014?) specific part # switch panel... 15+ are no go.

Ideally you'd need the VIN of a 2013 truck with the switch panel features you're looking for (& gas vs diesel, etc)

@AllMoparParts.com (Benny) ... Helped get the following 2013 switch P/Ns using the VINs I found. make sure to thank him where
ever you can!
(If you can put together/add the specific 2013 part #'s to your spreadsheet that would be great!)

Edit:
with some GoogleFu I found a

>> 2013 1500 5.7 v8 (6spd) Laramie with heated/vented seats & wheel, traction, Tow/Haul ONLY (no park sense)...
VIN: 1C6RR6NT8DS519009
View attachment 553763
68137071AB

>> 13 Laramie 1500 v8/6spd with heated/vented seats & wheel ( And Rear ParkSense).
VIN: 1C6RR7NT9DS580911
68137072AB

>> 13 ram 1500 5.7 v8 Bighorn/SLT with: Heated seats & Wheel only (with traction & Tow/haul AND Rear Park Sense). ..
VIN: 1C6RR7LT6DS701123
View attachment 553764
68137064AB

>> 13 ram 1500 5.7 v8 Bighorn/SLT with: Heated seats & Wheel only (with traction & Tow/haul AND NO Park Sense). ..
VIN: 1C6RR6LT7DS583285
Switch P/N: 68137063AA, AB (part in hand)
Replaced by 68137063AB

>> Then the same grouping for 2013 2500 diesel trucks ??

>> 13ram2500 Diesel Laramie with Heated/Vented Seats & Wheel, Traction Ctrl, Tow/Haul, Exh Brake, (AND Rear ParkSense AND Tire Light Load ).
Vin: 3C6UR5FL7DG551153
View attachment 553796
68137098AD

>> 13ram2500 Diesel Laramie with Heated/Vented Seats & Wheel, Traction Ctrl, Tow/Haul, Exh Brake, (NO ParkSense AND Tire Light Load ).
Vin: 3C6UR5NL2DG528090
View attachment 553797
68137096AD

>> 13ram2500 Diesel Bighorn with Heated Seats & Wheel, Traction Ctrl, Tow/Haul, Exh Brake, (NO ParkSense AND Tire Light Load ).
Vin: 3C6UR5DL7DG614450
View attachment 553798
68137088AD

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[RamItGood]

I know this post might get moved but I haven’t used this site in quite some time. Where do I find the presets to change in Alfa to activate center seats and everything that has to be activated with it? I tried looking on Alfa but there’s a lot of sections.
Also where to change the seat material
Cause I heard you have to change that also.
And I see some people using tap stalk, I didn’t know that was still working. Cause when I used it back in the day it gave errors cause the owner didn’t update something or what not. But I redownloaded tapa on iPhone but not sure what the forum is called on there. Tried searching for it but just found ramforumz. Any help would be appreciated thanks. Old but new newbie lol

 

[marcun]

This is one long thread. I read a good bit of it, but not all of it. Tried searching it but didn't find what I was looking for. Seems like all the assumptions in the thread are that people already have, or find, the heated seats with all the connectors and wiring already installed, unless I missed it somewhere (which is definitely possible).

Has anyone installed universal seat heating elements into their non-heated seats? I was going down the path of trying to find some heated and cooled seats to swap in (which would be by far the easiest option), but so far everything I have found are way too expensive. And really there is nothing wrong with the seats I have, in fact they are practically new since I already installed new Katzkin covers that I got for a good deal. And I found a new switch panel for a good deal as well. I also verified my wiring under my seat and it appears to all be there. I also have AlphaODB and am familiar with that as well, so no issues there either. So really all I think I would need is the heated seat module (682173268xx), the universal pads, and the proper connectors and pins to splice onto the pad wires.

I can get the module off eBay (or maybe get lucky on car-part). Anyone have the schematics and a link to the pins and connectors from Mouser for the heating element connection wires? Sorry if it's in here somewhere already.

 

[marcun]

Hmm, looking at pictures for the Mopar pads, it appears they each have 4 wires vs the 2 wires aftermarket pads generally have. Not sure what the extra two wires are, but maybe they are temperature sensors that communicate back to the computer for control. So I'm guessing based on that observation that you can't just substitute in universal pads easily.

Now I'm wondering if the pads from other years are interchangeable. For some reason the pads from the 5th gens are cheaper than the 4th gen ones. They are obviously different part numbers, and have a different shape, but I wonder if they would work. Has anyone checked or tried 5th gen pads in a 4th gen?

 

[HighShyGuy]

Man... who jacked up seat prices...

I'm looking for some laramie seats, heated cooled etc... What fits my 2018 2500, I know 14-18 will for, does that apply to 1500 seats into the 2500 as well?

And if the seats had the airbag go off, and I'm fine (price is right) installing new katskinz, will tradesman airbags even fit?

 

[Socalramfan]

What kind of prices have you been running into?

 

[HighShyGuy]

What kind of prices have you been running into?

Local yard wanted 1k for each front seat, 900 for the rear seat (2016 Laramie, black leather, electric, etc)
But the seats looked like they had some hard miles on them... and would need to be re-skinned to look good.

I do see plenty with deployed airbags, so If I can find a set that needs new leather (Katskinz) and I can move my airbag over, I dont mind doing that

I see some up in Canada, I'm only an hour form the border (Wa state) so it may be worth a drive if I can verify the border won't be an issue...

As Im in no huge hurry, I'll just keep looking for a bit.

Best I can tell, and 1500, 2500, 3500 4th gen seat will work, just need to find the style and options I'm after.

 

[HighShyGuy]

So looking on car-part for 1500 seats, I see reasonable prices on a few 1500's closer to me.

 

[Socalramfan]

$1,000 each is insane. For both…. depends.

1500, 2500 and 3500 are options. Rebels I have found to be the odd on out as the floor pan mounts seem to be a bit different.

 

[HighShyGuy]

$1,000 each is insane. For both…. depends.

1500, 2500 and 3500 are options. Rebels I have found to be the odd on out as the floor pan mounts seem to be a bit different.

Yeah,
I found some 2015 1500 sport seats but the leather was worn pretty bad. They'd need new katskinz and a new driver's foam.
Gundies auto wrecking wanted 550 a seat...

 

[CrabRangoon9]

Just wanted to share my experience adding Laramie front power, heated, vented seats to my 2017 1500 crew cab express. Purchased the wiring harness from @Mpgrimm2 and had him also add pdc power to the inverter under the passenger seat and the harness to the AC outlet. Install was super easy with that harness, insanely good quality and everything was labeled where to terminate and tie in. Only real hiccup I ran into personally was my i315 plug under the drivers side kick panel had no slack at all so landing the 2 wires into that connector definitely took some patience. Other than that I didn’t run into much issues. I purchased the correct switch panel for the features I added (PN: 68247629aa) and have the 8.4 RA4 radio conversion from infotainment, so when I changed all the necessary codes through AlfaOBD everything worked flawlessly (buttons on cluster and 8.4 showed the controls as well). I attached a picture of where I ran the harness into the cab of the truck. I decided to go through the clutch delete plate.

 

[Yogee2020]

Quick question if u run the 4 wires from the PDC to the driver side and passenger side yellow connectors for just power and heat no vent or heated steering wheel and make the changes with OBD will everything work with correct 8.4 connect radio and correct panel, want to help friend install sport seats in SLT that resides in Florida but is in NJ right now at sons house, any help would be appreciated we r not electrical guys by any means. One last one if u run the wires from PDC do u still need to run the 2 wires to the other 2 terminal CAN, IHS thanks in advance

 

[2015OneTon]

Howdy Everyone,
Hoping I can get some assistance on this. Just got done installing the harness (top notch harness!!...thanks @Mpgrimm2).
Got everything in the PDC buttoned up and realized that I didn't unhook my second battery...uh oh!

Went to start my truck...no crank and my gauge cluster lights/info center is going crazy with lights and messages. Truck accessories have power. Fearing that my battery negligence bricked my ECU.

Checked fuses related to ECM/PCM and all looked good. Unhooked my batteries for an hour...still no go.

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Howdy Everyone,
Hoping I can get some assistance on this. Just got done installing the harness (top notch harness!!...thanks @Mpgrimm2).
Got everything in the PDC buttoned up and realized that I didn't unhook my second battery...uh oh!

Went to start my truck...no crank and my gauge cluster lights/info center is going crazy with lights and messages. Truck accessories have power. Fearing that my battery negligence bricked my ECU.

Checked fuses related to ECM/PCM and all looked good. Unhooked my batteries for an hour...still no go.

Recheck all connections etc. that you added terminals etc to. Make sure they are fully seated and locked in place.

If the canIHS plugs on your seat harness are White, make sure they are installed in the correct canIHS blocks (vs Can C).

 

[2015OneTon]

Got it figured out. Forgot to plug in a smaller connector underneath the PDC. DOH!
Works like a champ now! Thanks @Mpgrimm2 for the pointers and for the awesome harness!