I read it on the net

[EdGs]

Something I read, wanted you all's thoughts.

Every now and then on YouTube, I will run across the "10 Things To Do To Your Ram", etc. Those AI narrated vids that show lots of clips of engines and parts other than Rams....lol

For the most part, it's alot of information we already know, don't idle, 5k oil changes, service your trans. I even saw a couple that mention the benefits of @caulk04's trans bypass.

Sometimes, I will look through the comments, and one comment in particular caught my eye.

This person mentioned that the sump can be 1 to 3 quarts down depending on running conditions, so they did their own marking and such, and came up with adding oil to make up this drawdown so that the sump has ~7 qts while running.

They came up with adding approx 2 qts extra to acccomplish this, and remarked on how quiet the engine became.

I know some on here advocate running an extra 1/2 qt., but what are your thoughts on 1 or 1-1/2 qts. extra?

I would be worried about aerating the oil, but the comment was intriguing.

Please share your thoughts and knowledge about this.

 

[rzr6-4]

I mean there may not be 7 quarts in the pan in a given moment because it is actively being circulated elsewhere, but unless the pump is regularly sucking air (which it's not, or else your engine would be dead) then there's no benefit to raising the level. That much extra fluid is where I would be getting very concerned about possible aeration.

 

[Burla]

I have been at 8 quarts from the day I bought it, I believe I had a dipsticl issue and at 7 quarts I was low, at the time I just assumed it was 8 quarts, lol. If you add extra, just check the dip stick for bubbles a sign the crank is sitting in oil. Plus when oil gets warm it expands, so you really want to check it if warm and then start truck if you can. Bubbles will tell the story, bubbles are bad.

 

[Wild one]

I ran 8 litres /8.5 quarts in mine Not that anybody cares

 

[mikeru]

It seems to me that they would design the sump to hold the amount of oil needed while the engine is running, not while stopped.

 

[EdGs]

I ran 8 litres /8.5 quarts in mine Not that anybody cares

I care! I really want input on this.

I know you were running all those screaming 1/4 miles, too.

I'm really tempted to run closer to +1, but a lil scared at the same time. I'm not gonna be running 1/4's, but I do like to use the skinny pedal when I can, WITHIN reason.....lol.

It seems to me that they would design the sump to hold the amount of oil needed while the engine is running, not while stopped.

And that was the premise of his comment. It's got me thinking, Hmmmmm.

 

[Wild one]

I care! I really want input on this.

I know you were running all those screaming 1/4 miles, too.

I'm really tempted to run closer to +1, but a lil scared at the same time. I'm not gonna be running 1/4's, but I do like to use the skinny pedal when I can, WITHIN reason.....lol.


And that was the premise of his comment. It's got me thinking, Hmmmmm.

You forgot what I ran for filters Ed . 8 litres put me about a 1/2 quart over full. Stock trucks are limited to 5600 rpm,but mine was set to shift at 6600 rpm,and i always figured the extra bit in the pan was insurance against pumping the pan dry at 6600 rpm. I blew up a high dollar 427 BB chebby when i was a kid,because i thought i knew more then the engine builder who built the motor. He told me to run 9 quarts in the pan,and as a kid i figured i had enough with a 7 quart Vette pan and dual remote filters. When the engine blew up,and we pulled it apart,the bearings closest to the oil pump were the ones that were toast,as at 7500 rpm,i'd literally pumped the pan dry,and when the oil pick-up tube started sucking air,they were the first bearings to get air instead of oil.After that i started paying more attention to my engine builder,as i still owed a bunch of money on the engine,and that took the car out of commision for almost a year

 

[EdGs]

Yeah, I forgot about you running the dual remote giant filters, Rick.

That's a hard lesson on that 427

 

[Wild one]

Yeah, I forgot about you running the dual remote giant filters, Rick.

That's a hard lesson on that 427

Tell me about it,as i still owed almost $10,000 on it when it blew up,aarrgghh. I did beat the nitroused bike i was racing,but we only had a 100 bucks on the race,which didn't do anything to offset what i still owed at the bank
Aw the days of being young and stupid,glad they're past now

 

[HEMIMANN]

There's no way to know without access to the engine designer and their fill measurements.

There have been cases of dipsticks not made properly to spec, but we wouldn't know either unless you're blowing foam out the breather. I just fill per Hoyle (the manual), it happens to align with the full mark on the stick, good enough. My engine is tight, even though I wasn't the original owner it must have been broken in well. It uses almost no noticeable oil level on the stick. Maybe just a little down @ 5,000 mile OCI. It's a good engine.

 

[GeauxinUp]

I have been at 8 quarts from the day I bought it, I believe I had a dipsticl issue and at 7 quarts I was low, at the time I just assumed it was 8 quarts, lol. If you add extra, just check the dip stick for bubbles a sign the crank is sitting in oil. Plus when oil gets warm it expands, so you really want to check it if warm and then start truck if you can. Bubbles will tell the story, bubbles are bad.

But, I like bubbles, and momma says I’m special…bubbles not bad, bubbles good

 

[PolarisCobra]

Assuming the engine is stock, just put in the amount it says in the manual, and move on. Adding more because of a second filter or something is a different story.

Adding more so that it shows full when the engine is running makes as much sense to me as setting tire pressure to 35 PSI cold, then letting air out after driving for a while because the pressure went up 3 psi.

 

[PolarisCobra]

Now that I think about it, maybe this is one of the reasons they took the dipsticks off the Hurricane motors.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

I personally prefill the oil filter a good bit and then fill to the top level mark on the dipstick then start & run it for about a minute to circulate and turn it off.

Wait 10 minutes and check. The level is usually a tidge below the top fill line. I then add an additional half liter and call it done.

My engine then reads slightly above the top fill line when I check it cold every time thereafter.
I also don't burn a drop of oil between oil/filter changes either, and I go 10,000km's++ on my current OCI schedule as I'm using HPL SC 0W30 and a 20-820.

I'm pushing this current OCI to 12,000km's++ and sending it in to Blackstone to see what it says, and including the TAN & TBN as well.

For the price of this oil in a pail to be shipped to me in Canuckland from HPL, I want to get the most mileage out of it as safely and reasonably possible.

 

[Wild one]

Assuming the engine is stock, just put in the amount it says in the manual, and move on. Adding more because of a second filter or something is a different story.

Adding more so that it shows full when the engine is running makes as much sense to me as setting tire pressure to 35 PSI cold, then letting air out after driving for a while because the pressure went up 3 psi.

Pray tell how do you check the oil level while the engine is running,clue me into that trick ,as i think it's virtually impossible on a Hemi

 

[RamDiver]

Pray tell how do you check the oil level while the engine is running,clue me into that trick ,as i think it's virtually impossible on a Hemi

Didn't you recognize the facetious tone in that text?

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[PolarisCobra]

A - I was being sarcastic.
B - The HEMIs have a dipstick, only the Hurricaines don't.
C - The proper way to fill an engine with oil is to put in the amount the manufacturer recommends.
D - The proper way to check oil level on an engine with a dipstick is shut it off, wait 5 minutes or so for the oil to settle into the pan, pull the stick, wipe it off, put it back in, pull it again, and see what the level is. It should be between the Full and Add marks. The level when the engine is running in meaningless.

 

[Curmudgeon]

I am an owner truly dedicated to my Ram truck so I always
check the tire pressure while the truck is in motion, to get the
true pressure reading.

 

[Burla]

No dip stick on hurricane? Good lord, that is so bad for so many reasons. The got a bubble CEL?

 

[PolarisCobra]

There is a level sensing device built in. When the truck is shut off, on 'reasonably' level ground, it does a self check. There is a display on the dash that shows the level. If it gets too low, a message is displayed. Lots of car companies, mostly European ones use a system like this, its nothing new.

I don't love it, a dipstick is fine with me, but I have always been in the habit of opening the hood to look things over once a month or so. There are lots of people these days that don't know how to open the hood, forget about checking the dipstick. I think the companies do it because they know so many people aren't smart enough to check it on their own.