Major Problem

[Riccochet]

I'm sorry, but I agree with OP. If I put my **** in D, I expect it to be in D, not R, regardless of whether I pressed the damn brake or not.

On my '13 with console shifter I can go from R to D without hitting the brake. It's not good for the linkage, but I won't be going in reverse any longer.

I'd be calling the dealer. That **** is not right.

 

[gofishn]

So I was backing out of a driveway and at the end of my reversing I tapped the brake and selected "D" looked ahead but the truck kept going in reverse and struck a parked car. The gear selector was blinking and there was a message to apply the brake and select a gear, something like that.

It seems like this condition is a combo of a quick brake tap while changing gears. I am curious if anyone else has experienced this "problem" I have filed a complaint with NHTSA due to the fact that this issue caused an accident.

Otherwise I have been happy with the truck. It is a 2014 1500 quad cab hemi 2wd with 9500 miles.

Gear slector was blinking since there was no gear selected.
Truck realised you had turned the gear knob, but not noticing the "Tap of the brakes" it did not do anything, other than place gear into neutral.

Which is more likely, people go to turn their fan control, up or down, and use the gear selector, instead,

no,w in a direct, mechanical link tranny, well you could kiss the gears goodby. Humming along, switch fan down, accidently dselect reverse, instead and trans goes blowey.

hence the apply brakes before changing gears safety instruction.

 

[Hemi395]

And this is why I like my console shifter. I absolutely love the 8 speed but I don't like the knob and I especially don't like hearing about problems like this...

 

[SilverStreak88]

I'm sorry, but I agree with OP. If I put my **** in D, I expect it to be in D, not R, regardless of whether I pressed the damn brake or not.

On my '13 with console shifter I can go from R to D without hitting the brake. It's not good for the linkage, but I won't be going in reverse any longer.

I'd be calling the dealer. That **** is not right.

Would you put the D in the R??

 

[SD1]

My first thought is that the truck wants you to have your foot on the brake when you shift from reverse to drive regardless of if you were at a complete stop or just nearly stopped but still moving.

This is a situation where personal driving habits conflicting with the electronic nanny stuff. Just recently I had turned on to a street from a parking lot and was immediately coasting in drive to a red light at a low speed. The engine braking that the 8 speed does was slowing me down a little more than if I was in more typical vehicle transmission so I dialed it into neutral to coast more freely as I was anticipating the light. When the light turned green I dialed it back to drive but it did not go into drive and the truck EVIC wanted me to apply the brake. I did this and it went into drive, never coming to a complete stop.

Another time I was in a drive-thru lane, in drive, just barely moving to where you place your order. A couple of feet short and still just barely moving, while in drive, I killed the engine so not to have any noise. The truck immediately threw itself into park and lurched to a stop! Never expected that but now I know!

Yes this is the kind of thing I am talking about. The system may actually be doing what it is intended to do, but clearly it does some things we may not expect it to do.

 

[gassersarentdead]

So you're still rolling backwards, tap the brake and let off, shift from reverse to drive? How is that good on the tranny?

 

[Medic4302]

Driver error. STOP before you shift. I don't get why people do that. I see guys doing it in our brand new $150k ambulances all the time.

 

[darthdzl]

Yeah I am sure its driver error, get a clue, the problem is that I have been driving the car for over a year now and I know when you click the dial to D, that is as far as it goes, you cannot Mis-select a gear going all the way to the right, it does not require you to LOOK at the rotary dial or another instrument??? While the incident did not happen at my residence, I do the exact thing EVERY time I drive the truck. It acts the same EVERY time, there is a slight roll backward before the gear catches. What happened is the D was selected, but somehow the trans did not engage into the forward gear even though both the rotary switch and the illumated light indicated it was in D. I am saying the system should not illuminate the "D" when it is not actually IN DRIVE. I am sure if your truck acted in a way contrary to the way you were expecting it to based on the fact that it did it the same way the first 100x what bother you too. I am a long time mechanic and enthusiast, I know the difference between me backing into a post, and "Oh ****, what was that?" I am just curious if others have selected D, R, or P, if the system ever "farted" and not properly selected the gear or given you the warning, "apply brake and select gear" if you want to make fun of me, you already know you are a **** and dont need me to tell you.

Just because you've been doing the same thing over and over, that doesn't mean it's not the wrong thing.

I try to tell people the same things about their computers (IT guy here), and they don't seem to get it: just because it doesn't explode the first time you do something wrong doesn't mean that it's not wrong.

I can understand you being aggravated over this, but it's doesn't really appear to be the truck's fault. With any automatic, to be safe, you really need to hit the brakes long enough to stop the vehicle, change gears, and then go about your business after you feel it engage into Drive. This is just good driving practice. [EDIT: It also prevents damage to the transmission that can occur from changing the direction of half its moving parts while moving.]

The fact that the truck let you get away with it for so long before doing what it was designed to (stop you from shifting without being stopped) merely means that mechanism needs to be tweaked a bit to not allow you to get away with tapping the brakes in the first place.

But it doesn't mean that the accident was the truck's fault. On the contrary, getting used to an unwise driving practice, and being caught flat-footed when the truck didn't cooperate, is at fault.

While you may certainly take issue with how that answer is presented to you if it's done in a less than graceful way, taking offense at the mere concept that *gasp* you were wrong is just plain silly.

 

[Jerry1984]

****** deal and I've never had that issue on mine, but that's because I am a young old man driver. I take my time and always stop before shifting. And I drive slow too. 5 or less over the speed limit.

 

[Medic4302]

So you're still rolling backwards, tap the brake and let off, shift from reverse to drive? How is that good on the tranny?

This

 

[gofishn]

Wow, some of these User Error remarks seem a bit harsh.

My Wife says Jesus was Perfect and the rest of us WILL make mistakes.

Reckon the OP posting about his dial knob issue was his Mistake, based on his Crucifixion.

Be Gentle with each other. Life is hard enough.

 

[SD1]

I dont care about the negative comments. I know well enough that the truck did something that was questionable at best and likely is a defect. I braked, shifted, released the brake thinking it would go into drive because IT WAS IN DRIVE and the indicator was lit and it had enough time to shift and it did not. The fact that it is INCONSISTENT or that the system farted is the problem.

I dont give a flying **** about the truck. Its a leased business vehicle that sees VERY LIGHT duty. I occasionally tow small trailers and occasionally a ski boat. I didnt speed in reverse and then tap the brake at 20mph and shift to D, it was barely moving and I rolled maybe 3-4ft further back then I intended when this happened. I take your comments with a grain of salt, you werent there, how could you know.

Again, I posted for reference, to see if I am the only one who experiences this or if there is an ongoing problem.

 

[darthdzl]

Well, hopefully you didn't just consider my comment "negative" and shrug it off.

Bottom line: you weren't treating it the way it was designed to work.

You can take a stock Honda Civic off-road into the desert every weekend, but it won't last long. And when it breaks, it's not the Civic's fault; it's the driver's. A Civic isn't an off-road vehicle.

Similarly, automatics aren't designed to be shifted from R to D on the fly. Nor is it necessarily safe to shift at all without being stopped and being sure what you're shifting into. That's one reason why the brake pedal interlock was invented. You're trying to game the system by tapping it instead of coming to a stop.

It sucks that you hit something, and I feel bad for any hit you may have taken to your driving record, but it comes down to this: it's your fault, not the truck's. Not trying to say anything negative about you; you just mistakenly believed doing that to a vehicle was okay.

Correct the mistake and move on. We all have to do it.

 

[Riccochet]

Well, hopefully you didn't just consider my comment "negative" and shrug it off.

Bottom line: you weren't treating it the way it was designed to work.

You can take a stock Honda Civic off-road into the desert every weekend, but it won't last long. And when it breaks, it's not the Civic's fault; it's the driver's. A Civic isn't an off-road vehicle.

Similarly, automatics aren't designed to be shifted from R to D on the fly. Nor is it necessarily safe to shift at all without being stopped and being sure what you're shifting into. That's one reason why the brake pedal interlock was invented. You're trying to game the system by tapping it instead of coming to a stop.

It sucks that you hit something, and I feel bad for any hit you may have taken to your driving record, but it comes down to this: it's your fault, not the truck's. Not trying to say anything negative about you; you just mistakenly believed doing that to a vehicle was okay.

Correct the mistake and move on. We all have to do it.

Prior to that little knob on the dash all 27 of the vehicles I've owned over the years could go from R to D while still moving slightly in reverse.

Whether that is good on the transmission is irrelevant. I would be in forward gear, not reverse any longer.

I don't think it was driver error. If it was an emergency situation and he NEEDED to be in drive to avoid being smashed, what then?

If I select Drive the vehicle better well make every ******* attempt, including breaking itself, to put the transmission in drive. Not stay in reverse because I didn't come to a complete stop.

 

[JUICEBOX]

Prior to that little knob on the dash all 27 of the vehicles I've owned over the years could go from R to D while still moving slightly in reverse.

Whether that is good on the transmission is irrelevant. I would be in forward gear, not reverse any longer.

I don't think it was driver error. If it was an emergency situation and he NEEDED to be in drive to avoid being smashed, what then?

If I select Drive the vehicle better well make every ******* attempt, including breaking itself, to put the transmission in drive. Not stay in reverse because I didn't come to a complete stop.

Your point is valid but it wouldnt make sense to not have a built in safety to accomidate for driver brain farts, the built in safety, for example the flashing "are you sure you want me to do this because you are still moving in the opposite direction you are asking me to go now" display. There would be so many guys out there with slipping and gearless transmissions because their ol ladys thought the knob was the radio volume while cruising down the road at 50mph.

 

[SD1]

Well, hopefully you didn't just consider my comment "negative" and shrug it off.

Bottom line: you weren't treating it the way it was designed to work.

Yeah my bad, I put it in Drive and expected it to engage a forward gear. Next time I will leave it in reverse and give it gas. Based on your logic, that will make the truck go forward.

By default, hitting the brake and engaging the selector MEANS THE SYSTEM IS OPERATING AS DESIGNED. If there were a problem, the selector/brake interlock would not allow the truck to be shifted. Its a safety system and is not designed to be "gamed" I have never driven ANY car that would not allow for some movement FORWARD or REVERSE when changing gears. The only thing that got "gamed" was me.

 

[Hemifatboy]

There is a recall on some 2014 1500 rams for 8 speed shift problems

 

[Hemifatboy]

Found it on news.pickuptrucks.com it seems like a "it won't go into park" problem but I couldnt read it all

 

[darthdzl]

Yeah my bad, I put it in Drive and expected it to engage a forward gear. Next time I will leave it in reverse and give it gas. Based on your logic, that will make the truck go forward.

By default, hitting the brake and engaging the selector MEANS THE SYSTEM IS OPERATING AS DESIGNED. If there were a problem, the selector/brake interlock would not allow the truck to be shifted. Its a safety system and is not designed to be "gamed" I have never driven ANY car that would not allow for some movement FORWARD or REVERSE when changing gears. The only thing that got "gamed" was me.

Not my logic, MANUFACTURER logic. Check with ANY manufacturer. There have been warnings in manuals going back at least to the 1970s saying essentially not to do what you were tapping the brakes so you could get away with.

If you were taught the wrong way by watching someone else, I feel for you. But railing against what almost everyone else knows isn't going to make your little shortcut any more legit. Manufacturers, driving instructors, insurance companies, fleet managers, mechanics... All can tell you how much of a bad idea it is to shift from R to D while moving. If you choose not to listen, at least have the grace not to shoot the messenger.

If you choose to abuse your truck, that's your business. As are the consequences.

 

[drittal]

I'm guessing the difference between the 27 previous cars that shifted into drive when the shifter is put into drive were actually manually shifted by the lever. A rotating know on the dash is not. Turning it to D and having the light show you have selected D might not mean the programming has allowed the shift. Just like flooring the gas pedal now doest necessarily equate to wide open throttle. Drive by wire. The computer will decide if and when to apply input.