Security alarm arming

[corneileous]

IIRC, the auto relock period is 30 or 40 seconds.

I'm not suggesting that this is definitely the case, in this instance. However, your uncertainty helps me to think it might be a possibility until ruled out.

Lock the truck, leave the FOB in the house and see if any doors are unlocked.

That test is much less work than wasting bandwidth here.

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Yeah but this that you’re talking about is just to confirm the auto relock, right? But doesn’t the truck actually have to be locked first before if you don’t re-lock it yourself, it’ll re-lock itself?

I don’t know, I’m just starting to think these are just random events that happen with no explanation.

All I know is I guess it finally took enough times for this to happen to where every time I go to do what I did yesterday morning when I somehow tripped my own alarm at 5:30 in the morning, I’m not just gonna go back there and grab the door handle… I’ll be looking inside the cab to see if any of the other doors are locked and most importantly, to see whether or not that alarm indicator light is on.

Because yesterday afternoon when I got home and this morning when I got to work, I did verify that none of the doors were locked and the alarm light was not on and of course when I opened the rear door, no alarm went off.

 

[Bigskyroadglide]

Well, I just changed the batteries in both my fobs back in December.

But was there any other symptoms that led you to believe you had a bad fob? I guess I just don’t wanna spend money at this point on something that I don’t necessarily know is the problem or even which one it could be because even though I’m using the same fob that I have been all week, from the few times I’ve tried to re-create this issue, it’s all been with the same one and it’s only done it that one time, not counting all the other times previously.

Fob in my pocket set the alarm off, fob in my hand set the alarm off, fob laying on the counter set the alarm off in the garage.

And by the way, the battery for the fob is inexpensive and you always need one. Just because you changed it in December does not mean it's not weak or bad.

Do simple to complex, battery simple, fob simple, something wrong with the door complex.

 

[corneileous]

Fob in my pocket set the alarm off, fob in my hand set the alarm off, fob laying on the counter set the alarm off in the garage.

And by the way, the battery for the fob is inexpensive and you always need one. Just because you changed it in December does not mean it's not weak or bad.

Do simple to complex, battery simple, fob simple, something wrong with the door complex.

Well, I guess it could be a weak battery but, I’m not having any other issues. I still have really good range, I’m not having any issues with my truck detecting the fob and like I said previously, I’ve only had this happen one time this week from probably the last time it happened, well over two more years ago.

And also, when I got home from work this evening, I tried to replicate that problem and, nothing. I still got tomorrow morning, tomorrow evening and Friday morning and Friday evening to see if I can at least get it to do it again.

 

[mdc1990zr1]

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Well, I guess it could be a weak battery but, I’m not having any other issues. I still have really good range, I’m not having any issues with my truck detecting the fob and like I said previously, I’ve only had this happen one time this week from probably the last time it happened, well over two more years ago.

And also, when I got home from work this evening, I tried to replicate that problem and, nothing. I still got tomorrow morning, tomorrow evening and Friday morning and Friday evening to see if I can at least get it to do it again.

Take the battery out of fob and see if the problem goes away. If it goes away, then you know it’s the battery or the fob.

 

[corneileous]

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Take the battery out of fob and see if the problem goes away. If it goes away, then you know it’s the battery or the fob.

Not at all saying that wouldn’t help but how would I know that did anything when so far I haven’t even been able to recreate the issue? If it were doing it all the time then yeah, I’d be looking at batteries and possibly even a replacement fob but again, I can’t get the dang thing to do it again!…lol.

 

[ts27330]

Yeah but this that you’re talking about is just to confirm the auto relock, right? But doesn’t the truck actually have to be locked first before if you don’t re-lock it yourself, it’ll re-lock itself?

I don’t know, I’m just starting to think these are just random events that happen with no explanation.

All I know is I guess it finally took enough times for this to happen to where every time I go to do what I did yesterday morning when I somehow tripped my own alarm at 5:30 in the morning, I’m not just gonna go back there and grab the door handle… I’ll be looking inside the cab to see if any of the other doors are locked and most importantly, to see whether or not that alarm indicator light is on.

Because yesterday afternoon when I got home and this morning when I got to work, I did verify that none of the doors were locked and the alarm light was not on and of course when I opened the rear door, no alarm went off.

Did you check to see if that door is locked when the others are locked?

 

[hoppps]

It’s your fob. I have a 2016 that did the same thing.

Take the fob apart and you will see that on the back of each button is a circular metal piece that makes contact with the connector on the circuit board.
Over time, the circular piece becomes detached from the back of the button cover, so it will randomly bridge the connection, causing the alarm to go off.
Simple solution is to super glue the metal circle back to the plastic fob (not the circuit board)
This will last for a a year or so and you’ll need do it again, but it’s cheaper and easier than a new fob.

I’d that doesn’t make a bunch of sense I’ll make a video showing what to do for you.

 

[hoppps]

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Here’s someone else’s video about it - around the 2 min mark you’ll see what I’m talking about. Clean it, glue it back in the right place and it should fix your problem.

 

[corneileous]

Did you check to see if that door is locked when the others are locked?

Well like I said originally, I never thought to look because whenever this happens and being that it’s been a long time since the last time it happened, it caught me off guard so I have no idea if any of the other doors were locked or if the security alarm was even set.

 

[corneileous]

It’s your fob. I have a 2016 that did the same thing.

Take the fob apart and you will see that on the back of each button is a circular metal piece that makes contact with the connector on the circuit board.
Over time, the circular piece becomes detached from the back of the button cover, so it will randomly bridge the connection, causing the alarm to go off.
Simple solution is to super glue the metal circle back to the plastic fob (not the circuit board)
This will last for a a year or so and you’ll need do it again, but it’s cheaper and easier than a new fob.

I’d that doesn’t make a bunch of sense I’ll make a video showing what to do for you.

Well I guess I could look into that but for one, I haven’t been able to re-create the problem and two, I don’t have any other issues with either of my fobs.

 

[RamDiver]

Well like I said originally, I never thought to look because whenever this happens and being that it’s been a long time since the last time it happened, it caught me off guard so I have no idea if any of the other doors were locked or if the security alarm was even set.

Troubleshooting a fault requires that you walk away from the PC or internet connection, place the wondering mind in a holding pattern, and perform actual tests on the vehicle.

This thread has been up for a week now, and we still haven't proven whether your door lock actuators function correctly or not.

I'm not suggesting that this is definitely the failed component with your truck, but until you start reducing the unknowns by testing, we're getting absolutely nowhere towards resolving this fault.

I've worked with electronics for more than 50 years, and I can assure you that when troubleshooting a fault with multiple potential variables, the fastest route to a solution is usually by reducing the unknown variables.

Some choose to pursue the more complex and time-consuming tests because they choose to ignore the simple ones, just because.

How long would it take to lock the truck, place the FOB inside the house, walk back out and try opening the doors?

This is one simple test that removes doubt about a component that could contribute to this fault.

The reason I suggested this test last week is that I had the same experience.
I had no idea that the door lock actuator had quit on one of the doors, but instead of analyzing it from 150 different angles, it took about 1 minute to solve.

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[corneileous]

Troubleshooting a fault requires that you walk away from the PC or internet connection, place the wondering mind in a holding pattern, and perform actual tests on the vehicle.

This thread has been up for a week now, and we still haven't proven whether your door lock actuators function correctly or not.

I'm not suggesting that this is definitely the failed component with your truck, but until you start reducing the unknowns by testing, we're getting absolutely nowhere towards resolving this fault.

I've worked with electronics for more than 50 years, and I can assure you that when troubleshooting a fault with multiple potential variables, the fastest route to a solution is usually by reducing the unknown variables.

Some choose to pursue the more complex and time-consuming tests because they choose to ignore the simple ones, just because.

How long would it take to lock the truck, place the FOB inside the house, walk back out and try opening the doors?

This is one simple test that removes doubt about a component that could contribute to this fault.

The reason I suggested this test last week is that I had the same experience.
I had no idea that the door lock actuator had quit on one of the doors, but instead of analyzing it from 150 different angles, it took about 1 minute to solve.

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Well, I’m not opposed to doing that test but, I just don’t see the point in that because the one time this happened and I’m almost pretty sure that every other time it’s happened, I’ve had the fob in my pocket… This latest time when it happened, the fob was definitely in my pocket so, not trying to be rude but, explain to me how leaving the fob inside the house is gonna prove anything, if it even does anything at all?

And also, again, I’ve tried replicating the same thing just as it happened and, opening the rear doors doesn’t set the alarm off.

I understand that you’re trying to help and, I appreciate it but, but wasn’t it you that said the problem you were having, you were having a whole bunch of other problems with your key fob? Because like I said… I still got really good range on my fob and I’m not experiencing any other issue.

The only thing I can see to do at this point is to keep trying to re-create the same exact thing that happened last week and hopefully it does it again because also like I said before, the time between each one of these events has happened has been a long time so every time that it has happened, it catches me completely off guard.

 

[RamDiver]

Well, I’m not opposed to doing that test but, I just don’t see the point in that because the one time this happened and I’m almost pretty sure that every other time it’s happened, I’ve had the fob in my pocket… This latest time when it happened, the fob was definitely in my pocket so, not trying to be rude but, explain to me how leaving the fob inside the house is gonna prove anything, if it even does anything at all?

And also, again, I’ve tried replicating the same thing just as it happened and, opening the rear doors doesn’t set the alarm off.

I understand that you’re trying to help and, I appreciate it but, but wasn’t it you that said the problem you were having, you were having a whole bunch of other problems with your key fob? Because like I said… I still got really good range on my fob and I’m not experiencing any other issue.

The only thing I can see to do at this point is to keep trying to re-create the same exact thing that happened last week and hopefully it does it again because also like I said before, the time between each one of these events has happened has been a long time so every time that it has happened, it catches me completely off guard.

I've tried my best to assist, but you're obviously not reading or comprehending my posts.

No, no other issues with my FOB.

Good luck to you. I'm finished making an effort here.

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[corneileous]

I've tried my best to assist, but you're obviously not reading or comprehending my posts.

No, no other issues with my FOB.

Good luck to you. I'm finished making an effort here.

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I’ll try the test you suggested when I get a chance, but I think our situations are different.

In your case, you had just unlocked the truck and could hear the actuators, which helped point you toward a failed door lock. In my case, I wasn’t trying to unlock anything. I had just parked, shut the truck off, grabbed my stuff out of the back and a few minutes later I went back and opened the rear door to check if it was locked because it was early, I probably wasn’t fully awake yet and I just didn’t know if I had actually locked the truck or not. That’s when the alarm went off.

Because it always catches me off guard, I didn’t check whether the other doors were locked or if the security light was blinking beforehand. All I know is the system had to be armed for the alarm to go off, but I don’t know how it got there.

I do appreciate the suggestion, but since I can’t reproduce the issue and I’m not seeing any consistent door lock problems, there’s nothing obvious to isolate right now.

At this point, the only thing I can really do is keep an eye on it. From now on, when I walk back up to the truck, I’ll check the lock status and the security light before opening a door. If I find anything consistent, I’ll update the thread.

 

[RamRigger]

Mine being a 5th Gen certainly locks itself once I'v begun driving and still not sure if it is a timed delay or mph

 

[04fxdwgi]

Mine being a 5th Gen certainly locks itself once I'v begun driving and still not sure if it is a timed delay or mph

MPH is what triggers the auto lock when moving.

 

[Adamcr68]

MPH is what triggers the auto lock when moving.

My truck seems like it’s tied in to rpm versus speed, definitely not saying your wrong, just mine locks at different speeds in my experience.
I almost always lock my doors with the when putting on my seatbelt before I take off.

I don’t idle my truck, wait for the rpm to drop and drive gentle for the first few miles, when I do forget to lock the doors it always surprises me when it does, I want to say I’ve gotten up to 30mph before it locked but sometimes under 15mph.
It could just be my truck, more curious than looking to be argumentative, I have been wrong more times than I care to admit.

 

[RamDiver]

My truck seems like it’s tied in to rpm versus speed, definitely not saying your wrong, just mine locks at different speeds in my experience.
I almost always lock my doors with the when putting on my seatbelt before I take off.

Your truck may be different than mine, or maybe this is something we can investigate.
Just kidding and being an upstart.




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[Adamcr68]

Your truck may be different than mine, or maybe this is something we can investigate.
Just kidding and being an upstart.


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Probably not the last time I’ll be wrong today, as it’s still early.

 

[RamDiver]

Probably not the last time I’ll be wrong today, as it’s still early.

Most of us make mistakes.

And learning is always a pleasure.

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