Synthetic Motor Oil Poll 2017

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Are you... Ron tater salad white?

 

[R.L.K.]

Ha ha !

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[Nutshell]

^^^^
This sir... is what you call implying. You are implying that we think we are more qualified to “test oil” we are just giving our experience, findings, and educated guesses on what we see in our own real world experiences. We give our findings on factual, reliable trustworthy sources when possible.

We dont create a test that has NOTHING to do with the way the oil industry test their oil in the environment of an ENGINE.

Reguardless of what i said....If his testing was so great than the oil industry and oil analysis companies would adopt it.

Never said his testing was anything. I do find it an interesting read. Take a breath, it’s ok

 

[Burla]

I just hope Hammer posts his ratblog about 125 more times, so maybe I finally can grasp it's greatness.

 

[Lilhemiram]

How did we survive all the miles before the “synthetic” marketing guru showed up? Before so called “synthetics”, which is misleading since the base stock comes out of the ground, vehicles went 200-300k
(Semis 1M +) with regular oil changes. Synthetic is a ploy. Look up ‘CAFE’, this is where it started. Pin down a petroleum chemist and find out what ‘synthetic’means. All oil will be and already is ‘synthetic’ by the oil boys, just rearrange the molecular structure and then claim ‘synthetic’.

This is the abridged version of my 40 years of experience with oil and 150 vehicles.

The marketing guys win again on oil playing the ‘fear factor’.

What does ‘synthetic’ mean by each brand? What is important is ‘TBN’, % ash, %zinc, etc. The EPA has legislated out many additives. The HD oils still have good packages, but can’t be sold for use in cars. I don’t recall ever hearing of an oil related failure where the oil was the root cause. Using the available oil meeting the lastest API SPEC and the vehicle manufacturers warranty requirements will get past 100k and 200-300k with regular 4-5k changes. Use an air filter that prevents dust infiltration. If you can see the sun light thru it (like K&N), and you like changing oil on it at just the right time, send more money to the marketing guys. What percent of Hemi owners will own their truck past 100k? My best advice is to not be the last owner of any vehicle.

 

[Ramnewbie]

In 125 times if redline makes it to number 1 are his results still gonna be crap? [emoji848]

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[Nutshell]

In 125 times if redline makes it to number 1 are his results still gonna be crap? [emoji848]

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You already know that answer....

 

[smiley]

I don’t see anything wrong with the Rat blog only tests I have seen by presumably non bias tester. Tests by Amsoil are hard to believe because they have skin in the game and most brands have never published any tests for us. I am running the valv syn max Life high mileage oil because of the blog and I needed to try a high mileage oil for my leaky valve cover.

 

[Ramnewbie]

I don’t see anything wrong with the Rat blog only tests I have seen by presumably non bias tester. Tests by Amsoil are hard to believe because they have skin in the game and most brands have never published any tests for us. I am running the valv syn max Life high mileage oil because of the blog and I needed to try a high mileage oil for my leaky valve cover.

I would put more weight with his tests if he was just testing oil and that's it. When he introduces prolong to see what happens that just takes 90% of the credibility away for me. If you're gonna test oil, test oil, don't try to Dr it up to see what happens.

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[Burla]

I have nothing against ratblog tests as I've said when they were posted even before Hammer posted them. I'm not sure if it was me or Syn or someone else, but those were posted before. The only issue I have with Hammer is he is a fake news poster, he came here under fake circumstance and asked faked questions when all along he planned to post his rat blog ad naseum. I personally would throw some respect towards if he admitted as much and moved on. Just admit the only reason you came here was to post rat stuff hammer if you are a man of honor coming form another fella who also wore the uni. 2 weeks of fake questions, then non stop shoving down rat blog and telling the forum his blog was the only source for oil quality on the planet and everyone else is a hack.

And I personally believe all/most of Amsoil tests, if you read through the lines the reason why they always come in first in their tests are the way they value the tests, very similar to the oil filter test where the guy didn't give the best filter the top place, they assign random values to make their oil stick out in the light. All which I have no problem with, Amsoil tests have been very enlightening and show the differences in various oils. The funny stuff about Amsoil tests, the new group 3 formulations across the board are nowhere near the same as they had when those tests were done.

Anyone going off one test and choosing an oil, gets what they get. Some people choose oil with never bothering to find out what's in it. Most of the time it turns out just dandy, and even when it doesn't it is hard to blame an oil for the result.

 

[Ramnewbie]

I view any advertisement, internet writeup, or any clams of greatness or superiority as just that, an advertisement. Now if I see something that interests me I'll investigate it, but not just take their word because they say so.

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[Burla]

That is how we all should be on everything imo.

 

[Nutshell]

I read Rat’s blog as I like to read anyone’s opinion that puts that much time and effort into oil. That being said he seems to have a negative bias to Redline. Not sure how a top tier group 4/5 oil can rate in the 83rd on the “protection test.”

 

[Ramnewbie]

I read Rat’s blog as I like to read anyone’s opinion that puts that much time and effort into oil. That being said he seems to have a negative bias to Redline. Not sure how a top tier group 4/5 oil can rate in the 83rd on the “protection test.”

That's why I don't put a whole lot of faith on his findings. It seems to me he's more interested in promoting prolong.

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[smiley]

I read Rat’s blog as I like to read anyone’s opinion that puts that much time and effort into oil. That being said he seems to have a negative bias to Redline. Not sure how a top tier group 4/5 oil can rate in the 83rd on the “protection test.”

Motul has come in poorly in a bunch of tests I have seen and costs even more. Maybe Redline isn’t is as good as we think. I don’t know but I like it from my non scientific tests.

 

[Nutshell]

Motul has come in poorly in a bunch of tests I have seen and costs even more. Maybe Redline isn’t is as good as we think. I don’t know but I like it from my non scientific tests.

I’ve read similar about Motul. In addition, the guys at Bobs don’t show it any love. They don’t really speak overly highly about Redline but don’t seem to trash it either. I’ll keep using QSUD till it no longer works. I use it simply cause I can get it at Walmart. Rat LOVES that oil for some reason.

 

[Burla]

Because that is not how to accurately test an oil, oil running around in an engine has nothing to do with one arm bandit. I believe his tests results, and I believe it reveals what VII's do in a quick oil test. As far as redline bias, I'm pretty sure every guy who ended his tick running it could care less what hammer says about it. We have guys on this board not just Corey but many guys, run Hammers top oils and then run redline and the redline ends the ticks that were ticking on hammers choice, who cares what anyone has to say? Believe what you like, just don't take it to the bank because that check aint cashing. Results are what they are and the sample size is pretty large imo. Redline placed 83rd or worse in that test cool, I'm still using it for life and my butter smooth engine likes it.

 

[smiley]

I’ve read similar about Motul. In addition, the guys at Bobs don’t show it any love. They don’t really speak overly highly about Redline but don’t seem to trash it either. I’ll keep using QSUD till it no longer works. I use it simply cause I can get it at Walmart. Rat LOVES that oil for some reason.

Rat loves whatever the tests show. I like that style though since I have no loyalty to oil companies the one that can provide me the best protection at the lowest cost is what I want! QSUD might be that.

 

[Burla]

The best protection from what Smiley? From Hemi Tick? If so you believe hammers tests more then all of the testimonies you have heard here?

 

[69GWC]

Don't he add a oil additive to the oils in his test ? or do I remember that wrong.