synthetic oil -- 6.4 HEMI

[SyN]

Mind you this is only my opinion and thoughts. With some of it having actual back up @ BITOG.

It has been shown that M1 0W-40 has undergone some minor changes over the last year. If you notice the new bottles will have a small FS on the front and very small print. This has been said to possibly stand for fuel savings .

This has been talked about being a new formula made from GTL Base stock. Mobile one actually had a GTL plant built before Shell. But for some reason they did not put the plant in production. Maybe the price of natural gas turn them away from it?

This oil still carry some of the most stringent certifications oil can have. Which means it is still a remarkably good oil. I do believe after reading this oil only lost one certification after the new formula was put in production.



Honestly if I had a 6.4L this would probably be my go to oil. Due to the price and availability it would really for me be a no-brainer. If my 6.4 L was spec for 0W-40 oil. I would also look at German made Castrol 0W-40. These two would be my first 2 choices.

One thing I want you to think about to is you are just not limited with your motor to run a 0W-40 you have many options out there.

I honestly cannot say that Moly is the magic elixir of these hemi motors. My 5.7L hemi was super quiet and smooth on the Belgium made Castrol 0W-30 and German Castrol 0W-40 combo. (No Moly but Titanium). If the availability of the PUP becomes Null this will be the combo I go back to. Amazon is really struggling with keeping the price down on the PUP as well as keeping it in stock so the Castrol might be in my near future again. After my stash of PUP is gone.

One thing I forgot to mention was the virgin oil analysis of the M1 0W-40 has shown that with the new GTL base this oil is a very thin 40Wt. I will look for a recent VOA of this oil.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4028326/all/Mobil_1_M1_0W-40_"FS"

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...46/VOA_Castrol_Edge_with_Ti_-_0w4#Post4089446

My laptop computer died so I'm doing this all off my phone so if words are mixed and messed up I do apologize my thumbs are big and fat.

 

[U&A]

Mind you this is only my opinion and thoughts. With some of it having actual back up @ BITOG.

It has been shown that M1 0W-40 has undergone some minor changes over the last year. If you notice the new bottles will have a small FS on the front and very small print. This has been said to possibly stand for fuel savings .

This has been talked about being a new formula made from GTL Base stock. Mobile one actually had a GTL plant built before Shell. But for some reason they did not put the plant in production. Maybe the price of natural gas turn them away from it?

This oil still carry some of the most stringent certifications oil can have. Which means it is still a remarkably good oil. I do believe after reading this oil only lost one certification after the new formula was put in production.



Honestly if I had a 6.4L this would probably be my go to oil. Due to the price and availability it would really for me be a no-brainer. If my 6.4 L was spec for 0W-40 oil. I would also look at German made Castrol 0W-40. These two would be my first 2 choices.

One thing I want you to think about to is you are just not limited with your motor to run a 0W-40 you have many options out there.

I honestly cannot say that Moly is the magic elixir of these hemi motors. My 5.7L hemi was super quiet and smooth on the Belgium made Castrol 0W-30 and German Castrol 0W-40 combo. If the availability of the PUP becomes Null this will be the combo I go back to. Amazon is really struggling with keeping the price down on the PUP as well as keeping it in stock so the Castrol might be in my near future again. After my stash of PUP is gone.

One thing I forgot to mention was the virgin oil analysis of the M1 0W-40 has shown that with the new GTL base this oil is a very thin 40Wt.

This stuff ?

Mobil 1 0W-40 Advanced Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5 qt. - Walmart.com

Castrol EDGE 0W-40 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5 qt - Walmart.com

 

[SyN]

Yup! Both of those oil's you posted contain and hold some of the most stringent certifications an oil can obtain. Both oil's are great choices for the daily driver.

I edited my last post and posted 2 VOA of both oils. One thing to remember the additive package does not tell the whole story. The base oil has a lot to say about how strong of a performer the oil is.

PM sent!

 

[Hootbro]

SYN,

just to be clear, being that the VOA is over 3 years old I dont think this is the new "Pennzoil Ultra Platinum" formula. It looks like the "ultra" before the did the PUP thing. Am I correct on this? I know they improved the packages on the PUP over the original "Ultra".

Attached is my oil report. The highlight one is the latest PUP with the far right the factory fill.

With the exception of wear metal, it is pretty close to that VOA sample of the older Ultra formula. Only exception I see is the is the newer PUP does shear ever so slightly out of grade to a heavy 30wt.

The last sample was a one time experiment I did running 4 quarts of PUP and 3 quarts of 10W-40 PYB conventional trying to see if I could keep it in grade but that did not work as I had hoped. Current fill is back to 0W-40 PUP.

 

[U&A]

Attached is my oil report. The highlight one is the latest PUP with the far right the factory fill.

With the exception of wear metal, it is pretty close to that VOA sample of the older Ultra formula. Only exception I see is the is the newer PUP does shear ever so slightly out of grade to a heavy 30wt.

The last sample was a one time experiment I did running 4 quarts of PUP and 3 quarts of 10W-40 PYB conventional trying to see if I could keep it in grade but that did not work as I had hoped. Current fill is back to 0W-40 PUP.

thank you very much for the UOA!! im sure other appreciate it too.

 

[U&A]

so can anyone shed some intelligent light on this UOA?

 

[U&A]

Like how does it compair to like M1 0w40?

 

[Hootbro]

Like how does it compair to like M1 0w40?

Has about 1/3'rd the moly of PUP and more boron. Everything else is about the same. Many people have been running it in these engines with no problem. If not in warranty and squeezed on getting PUP, I would use the Mobil 1.

 

[U&A]

Why is moly so impoerant in the 6.4 and the 0w40?

Or is it normaly important to have a lot of it and a good oil?

 

[Hootbro]

Why is moly so impoerant in the 6.4 and the 0w40?

Or is it normaly important to have a lot of it and a good oil?

Molybdenum Disulfide over time forms a lubricated coating over parts and fills in microscopic pores and valleys in a given metal.

I am not an expert by any means but there is some notable instances of cam failures of Hemi 5.7's with the common denominator of very low or no Moly oils used with Valvoline being a big culprit.

I am not privy to FCA's engineering and even though there is public statements that conventional 5W-30 was used during the RAM 6.4's development, they eventually spec'd 0W-40 and not just any 0W-40 but one that meets their MS-12633 specification and PUP 0W-40 meets that spec with a high moly count.

 

[Rustypipes12]

I'm a big fan of "The Motor Oil Geek" on You tube. Lake Speed jr. is a certified Tribologist that uses science to back up everything he says. He is NOT a fan of ANY oil additive and recommends not mixing different brands of oil because the additive packages will sometimes work against each other and can actually cause increased wear. Pennzoil Ultra platinum has lower amounts of moly because it doesn't need it with the base stock and other additives in it. Sometimes too much of any additive is a bad thing and can actually cause issues. That being said I've always used Valvoline in all my vehicles for the last 50 years and may go back to it after the warranty is up on my 2500. I get a kick out of some of you guys throwing shade on Champ filters. The quality is right up there with Wix, Baldwin, and Hastings and the xl version is made for synthetic oils filtering down to 20 microns @99% which is better than a lot of name brand filters for a fraction of the price.

 

[U&A]

I'm a big fan of "The Motor Oil Geek" on You tube. Lake Speed jr. is a certified Tribologist that uses science to back up everything he says. He is NOT a fan of ANY oil additive and recommends not mixing different brands of oil because the additive packages will sometimes work against each other and can actually cause increased wear. Pennzoil Ultra platinum has lower amounts of moly because it doesn't need it with the base stock and other additives in it. Sometimes too much of any additive is a bad thing and can actually cause issues. That being said I've always used Valvoline in all my vehicles for the last 50 years and may go back to it after the warranty is up on my 2500. I get a kick out of some of you guys throwing shade on Champ filters. The quality is right up there with Wix, Baldwin, and Hastings and the xl version is made for synthetic oils filtering down to 20 microns @99% which is better than a lot of name brand filters for a fraction of the price.

Well YOU just STOP it with your RusTYpIpE shenanigans!!!

Well reasoned comments like this are tO WeLl reasoned!!

BLASPHEMY!!!

 

[Rustypipes12]

Where'd you get a picture of me?

 

[Rustypipes12]

Well YOU just STOP it with your RusTYpIpE shenanigans!!!

Well reasoned comments like this are tO WeLl reasoned!!

BLASPHEMY!!!
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[Burla]

I'm a big fan of "The Motor Oil Geek" on You tube. Lake Speed jr. is a certified Tribologist that uses science to back up everything he says. He is NOT a fan of ANY oil additive and recommends not mixing different brands of oil because the additive packages will sometimes work against each other and can actually cause increased wear. Pennzoil Ultra platinum has lower amounts of moly because it doesn't need it with the base stock and other additives in it. Sometimes too much of any additive is a bad thing and can actually cause issues. That being said I've always used Valvoline in all my vehicles for the last 50 years and may go back to it after the warranty is up on my 2500. I get a kick out of some of you guys throwing shade on Champ filters. The quality is right up there with Wix, Baldwin, and Hastings and the xl version is made for synthetic oils filtering down to 20 microns @99% which is better than a lot of name brand filters for a fraction of the price.

We all like oil geek, he is the guy for general oil information, 4 gen ram forum is the place for specific oil information, especially for the hemi. 100's of ram forum members years now hitting 15 years worth of data, together finding solutions and developing strategies using science to deal with what plagues us = hemi tick. Esters and Moly are known at killing tick at a high % rate, and it only takes an oil change or some cases not even that, just dumping a bottle in. I am in favor of oils and additives that stop tick as opposed to oils that the hemi's tick on. About 80% success rate and 50% success rate prospectively. Oil Geek genius doesn't trump 100 ram owners at a time actually testing oils against hemi tick. It isn't personal, it is just that none of the paper out there deals with out of tolerance engines to the point of hemi tick. That science only exists here, well now the word is out in all the hemi forums, it is just that it started here.

Redline against hemi tick

lubegard biotech against hemi tick.

 

[Rustypipes12]

Well my 17 year old 5.7 Hemi is still running fine and all I've never put in it was Napa full synthetic until it hit 70k , then Valvoline high milage, then Restore and Protect. That's what I'm still running in it. No tick . I know Redline and Amsoil are both great oils but so is Valvoline and a lot cheaper. I don't like the idea of extended change intervals mostly because of the cold starts and type of driving my truck is subjected to. I'm in agreement with Lake when he says oil additives are not only a waste of money , they can actually harm your engine by reacting with the oil package.

 

[Burla]

It isn't about oil brand it is about formula in trucks that tick, if you never have the tick, just ride that in hemi goodness for ever. If someday that comes to you, follow the bread crumbs When we started this Valvoline was the lowest moly count as in zero with RP, now they are the highest, so in theory it is a player in hemi tick. But those other two are known quantities, something to think about if you have hemi tick. It is what redline and lubegard have in common that is the science, their formula not the name. Many oils tested there is a reason those two rose to the top. Everything changes it isn't settled, but guys know what to look for.