Synthetic Oil

[rocket]

I also noticed redline didn't go up against motorkote either......gotta be good stuff.

 

[hemihustlin]

Redline is a motor oil. Motorkote is an additive. Unless you can fill your hemi with 7 quarts of motorkote it doesnt have to "go up against it"

 

[Burla]

Rocket the VOA's of Motorcoat are blank, meaning any lubrication that it done is done by something the machine doesn't read. I am sending you a PM with the VOA of it, I can't post it in the forum because it is from another forum. Some examples of lubrication additives or components that are not read in voa's are the actual base material, or additives like chlorinated paraffins. Anytime you add an additive that is as blank as Motorkote, you are diluting your TBN which is not a good thing. You may possibly gain better friction properties but you will loose some of your oils ability to defend itself against acid or TAN.

I'm not 100% sure but most additive companies do not tell you what is actually in their product, just some random results. Many additives like BG MOA are just concentrated additive packages of what is already in your oil, and then you have other additives that usually tout one ingradient, like moly, or PTFE, or ceramic etc.

Motorkote makes claims and tells you nothing about what is in the product, and in fact it has none of the usual additives in motor oil that help with friction like Moly. So my guess is it is either a chlorine product, or an ester based lubricant that has no additives. A legitimate company would tell someone what they are putting into their truck instead of just making claims. Some additives actually have negative effects on engines. They have great results initially and then have a sand paper effect over time.

Bottom line, the only way to evaluate an additive is to know what is in it, just like I know everything that is in my motor oil.

 

[smiley]

Organic what is this trader joes oil? jk I am sure it makes a difference I have never tried it.


$miley

 

[rocket]

I've been reading search queries on itfor the past 6 hours........ and it's split right down the middle on whether it's any good or not........my eyes are bleeding, ya think mk would help?

 

[Burla]

I am just glad you open to learning about it, keep searching and when you find out what it is made of we will be able to determine if it has benefit or not. I would say there is no way I've researched that you can make group 4 or 5 oil a better lubricant then it already is. You can make your group 2 or 3 lubricant better just by adding a qrt of group 4 or 5 to it, many oil guys do this and it is "usually" cheaper then an additive and better. I am open to hearing any information on additives and the only thing greater then I what know about lubrication is what I don't know about it, but I need science to convince me.

 

[rocket]

One thing is certain, of all the posts I've read there was only one that actually blamed motorkote for the ultimate destruction of a motor,Now, giving the possibility of this ''additive'' as being corrosive to metal....I would only use the lubricant In non'motorized applications, such as hinges,tools,key locks.....and see if it actually is true...........This may take awhile, btw.I hope this thread is still alive in 20 years to post my findings......Hell I HOPE I am too!

 

[audio1der]

Burla- how/where can a person find out what group a motor oil is? I'm an Amsoil dealer and I can't even find anything in all the documentation I have access to.
thanks!

 

[Burla]

Burla- how/where can a person find out what group a motor oil is? I'm an Amsoil dealer and I can't even find anything in all the documentation I have access to.
thanks!

Well, I would really want to know how you could justify having a 25k oil with any petroleum molecules in it. I know other boutique companies make statements on the record of what their base is but generally Amsoil calls it proprietary. There is a test you can do on your oil but it generally isn't available to the general public, something like a Gas chromatography.

I know Redline has publicly said their oil is made from a reaction between an acid and an alcohol and have also said they sell ester "based" oil. Without testing it you have to take their word for it or buy something else. Modern Viscosity Index Improvers have made it harder to identify true synthetics because they allow for petroleum products to have some of the good characteristics of group 4 and 5 oil. The one thing they can't do is make petroleum products have the tiny uniformed shape of true synthetic which allow for extended drain intervals without compromising the engine, IMO.

Oil companies for the most part have generally decided that profit is more important then quality when it comes to making synthetic oil. That is why when one company got away with making a group 3 oil and calling it synthetic, then most of the other companies followed suit. All of the literature and companies have sold Amsoil as being group 4 oil, but that based on the past and maybe it is not updated. Amsoil has done a ton of PR on the web, stuff like this. But there is nothing saying they can't change their formula because their position is function over everything else as they state in the FAQ section. Other oils have more clarity in their base stock, for whatever reason Amsoil has softened their statements on basestocks.

 

[Burla]

Here is another example of a amsoil retailer that sold based on Amsoil litature but was never updated. You can notice they say Mobil 1 is group 4, but that is no longer the case.

 

[mcamzr]

Aside from all the overwhelming info in this thread about Redline, one of the main reasons for choosing redline over Amsoil for all my vehicles and snowmobiles was that I spoke with one store that is a big Amsoil dealer, 3 different Amsoil dealers at a snowmobile show and Amsoil directly and when asked what group their oil was all they could say was the base stock info they wouldn't share (Amsoil direct) or didn't know but that their oil was "the best synthetic oil on the market". When I called redline they told me everything I asked and offered to send me info as well.

 

[rocket]

interesting poll results.....seems the 2 oils with the sketchy disclaimers are in the lead.....personally I have no complaints, and as stated earlier....you could use dinosaur ***** and be ok as long as you change it regularly.

 

[smiley]

Excited to find 0W-20 Valvoline Synpower at Walmart in 5 qt jugs. I will be switching to that on next change great for these subzero startups. I love the Dino ***** quote made me laugh out loud and probably largely true.


$miley

 

[Diminus]

i have been using penzoil ultra in my ram, was -36C here last night. but i know the ultra is a group 3 i think. but with regular warrenty oil here, for example my neighbors ram . even plugged in. ticks so loud in the morning when started in the cold i can hear it as i walk to my truck. sounds like drummer qiuckly tapping the symbols lol. so from what i gathered skimming threw is im better off ordering in some redline or amsoil 5w20 correct?

 

[Lhemi]

I think that's why Redline and Amsol is as low as it is, you just can't walk down to walmart and buy it.
I like RP but there is only 1 place in Oklahoma City to by the filters and then add on the $9.99 a quart and your easily at $90 for a 3,500 mile ride. I don't know about everyone else but 3,500 is about 3 weeks in the seat.
My trucks worth it, but I would try both redline and Amsol if it was avaiible with a quality filter.

 

[rocket]

i have been using penzoil ultra in my ram, was -36C here last night. but i know the ultra is a group 3 i think. but with regular warrenty oil here, for example my neighbors ram . even plugged in. ticks so loud in the morning when started in the cold i can hear it as i walk to my truck. sounds like drummer qiuckly tapping the symbols lol. so from what i gathered skimming threw is im better off ordering in some redline or amsoil 5w20 correct?

doesn't pennsoil make a synthetic blend?....That would be alright to use.....as for the ''tick''... I don't have one.....a couple ounces of mk , and mobil 1....every 5,ooo miles.and yes, it's got a hemi.lol

 

[Burla]

i have been using penzoil ultra in my ram, was -36C here last night. but i know the ultra is a group 3 i think. but with regular warrenty oil here, for example my neighbors ram . even plugged in. ticks so loud in the morning when started in the cold i can hear it as i walk to my truck. sounds like drummer qiuckly tapping the symbols lol. so from what i gathered skimming threw is im better off ordering in some redline or amsoil 5w20 correct?

Well you know what I use, but I'm not 100% sure Ultra is group 3. In fact, if ultra is group 3 then it is the best group 3 on the market IMO, it is the only oil I ever seen to have group 5 noack numbers, meaning the stuff simply does not evaporate. I "believe" ultra is group 4 or have some group 4 or 5 mixed with group 3, or it has one hell of a viscosity index improver! Don't know for sure, but Penzoil has put all it's chips into the platinum bucket even though ultra is a better oil. I believe they do so because platinum is group 3 and is cheaper to make and still very high quality compared to other oils. If you are not getting the knock with ultra and you are happy with it, I would stay with it. Ultra is considerably better the platinum for the hemi, and if I wasn't running redline it would be what I would try next maybe equal to Amsoil on a shorter oil change interval. Now, if you are looking at 15k oil change intervals or your Hemi starts ticking like your neighbors, let's get you in redline but if you change your oil in the less then 10k mile range, Ultra is great great stuff.

On a side note, why don't you talk to your neighbor and just give him a friendly tip? Sounds like his truck needs to be introduced to my favorite girl, Molly.

Edit, I found this on Ultra, seams like mostly group 3 but they do use group 4 too. Anyhow, over on the oil forum I don't think an oil on the mass market has a more loyal following, oil guys love penzoil Ultra!! Do a search on Ultra and cleaning, this stuff keeps your engine clean and cleans up old varnish as well.

 

[toofart]

I love the Dino ***** quote made me laugh out loud and probably largely true.

+1 I think people put way too much thought into something that will not have the slightest impact on the final outcome of their vehicle.

 

[outlaw52]

mobil 1 change it every 5000 miles

 

[TomzExpress]

just bought 5 qts. redline 5w20 and RP filter for $94 from summit