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[HEMIMANN]

Yeah thats the FS verson. FS 0w-40 looks like that to. Also ESP 5w-30 is drasticly different from the 0w-30

My god this is out of control with too many regulatory agencies micromanaging the fuch out of everything. I'm not some zero government zealot, but this flip side to overboard ain't makin' it, either.

Anyway, the M1 ESP 0W-30 seems to be a contestant, to your point. Imma do the HPL SC thing on Black Friday. I may go to this for the Mazda turbo motors too.

 

[Travis8352]

The ESP line is so dang confusing. Elementally the esp x2 0w-20 (7.9cst), esp 0w-30, esp x4 0w-40 are all the same but they are different formulas, im guessing its the antioxidant chemistry and all that that makes them different. Their VOA oxidation is 38 to indicating decent ester content. Only esp 5w-30 is api certified, the others do not have api certification but they all say they pass api sp engine tests.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Maybe replace PUP 5W-30 with M1 ESP 0W-30 for the turbo GDI fours, and keep Red Line and/or HPL for Hemi?

How does that grab you for a plan upgrade in the era of API SP watered-down SAE 30 vis?

 

[Zman7311]

Just went over 5000 miles on my 2024 1500 3.6 Etorque. Been very happy with the truck so far. Used OEM Oil Filter (MOPAR) and Mobile 1 OW20 at 750 miles (break in period) and just changed the oil and filter again last weekend at 5035 miles. Plan on changing the oil with Mobile 1 every 5K from here on out. Any input?? Am I doing it too often or using the wrong products?

 

[Travis8352]

Maybe replace PUP 5W-30 with M1 ESP 0W-30 for the turbo GDI fours, and keep Red Line and/or HPL for Hemi?

How does that grab you for a plan upgrade in the era of API SP watered-down SAE 30 vis?

Im a big fan of this plan

 

[knightjp]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Mobil1 ESP X3 0w40 was the recommended oil for GM truck owners switch to in order to correct the recent fiasco with lifter failures. Am I right?
Considering that engine architecture is similar to the HEMI (single cam, pushrod V8) and we knew about this whole "thinner oils / lifter failure" issue, shouldn't we also recommend the same oil to everyone in the forum?

 

[Travis8352]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Mobil1 ESP X3 0w40 was the recommended oil for GM truck owners switch to in order to correct the recent fiasco with lifter failures. Am I right?
Considering that engine architecture is similar to the HEMI (single cam, pushrod V8) and we knew about this whole "thinner oils / lifter failure" issue, shouldn't we also recommend the same oil to everyone in the forum?

Their issue was a crank bearing issue. Their bandaid was thicker oil because the bearing surfaces were so bad from the factory. What they recomended was mobil 1 supercar 0w40 because it carried the dexosR approval. But soon after, FS 0w-40 and esp x4 0w-40 became dexosR approved. Im assuming it was to ensure there was enough dexosR 0w-40 on the market considering the amount of drivers that would be switching. Esp x3 0w-40 was reformulated and became esp x4

 

[gounc82]

So is everyone saying not to use PUP? I have used PUP 5-30 for the past several years. If they have changed, what should I use now? Is Mobil 1 EP 5-30 better than PUP now? I have 140k on my hemi and don’t have hemi tick so I guess I shouldn’t use Redline. Y’all are way smarter than me at this I just wanna make sure I keep my hemi running smooth for as long as I can.

 

[grizzstang]

I still use PUP 5W30 in both our Pentastar Jeeps not in my Hemi though.

The 5 liter jugs they throw on sale at Canadian Tire are hard to pass up here in Canada.

I have been adding a quart of Redline 5W30 to top them both off instead of cracking another jug. So far so good.

My Hemi doesn't tick either but I still use Redline 5W30 in it year round.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Mobil1 ESP X3 0w40 was the recommended oil for GM truck owners switch to in order to correct the recent fiasco with lifter failures. Am I right?
Considering that engine architecture is similar to the HEMI (single cam, pushrod V8) and we knew about this whole "thinner oils / lifter failure" issue, shouldn't we also recommend the same oil to everyone in the forum?

First, the GM V8 architecture is conventional, the Chrysler Hemi is not, that's why it uses the trademarked name "Hemi".

Hemi stands for hemispherical cylinder head, which was needed to reorient the valves across from each other, rather than in line with the cylinder bank like all other V8 engines did. So why do this? At high rpm (above 5,000 rpm), the airflow dynamics are such that airflow ACROSS the cylinder head retains higher flow rate than a conventional inline valve cylinder head.

So what? So, that means higher airflow means more power ABOVE 5,000 rpm, where NASCAR racers run. The Hemi was made for NASCAR RACING. It was so dominant that NASCAR banned it the 2nd year, then reinstated it the 3rd year after a bunch of lobbying.

And so - the marketeers marketed the NASCAR engine to the mass public, most of which did not race - it was all marketing. There is ZERO advantage to a Hemi engine below 5,000 rpm, and only negatives.

What are the negatives - in order to reach the outboard exhaust valves the camshaft has to move UP in the engine block. So what? So, splash oil-lubricated camshafts receive less oil at low rpm (idle). What does that mean? Lifter roller scuffing and failures. Oopsies!

Worse, adding VVT big cam phaser wheel for EPA-MANDATED fuel economy regulations made it worse - the cam moved up in the block again, reducing the splash oiling of the cam further.

The original Chrysler 0W-40 was mandated for racing apps - not street apps. They carried it over. The 40 wt is for high LOADS. Viscosity is load-dependent, and also heat. So, racing or towing or hot regions are where higher vis is needed. GM had a manufacturing defect - they outsourced their crankshaft machining and the cheapo vendor didn't meet spec and GM didn't inspect, and released hundreds of thousands of V8 engines with out of spec crankshafts.

 

[HEMIMANN]

So is everyone saying not to use PUP? I have used PUP 5-30 for the past several years. If they have changed, what should I use now? Is Mobil 1 EP 5-30 better than PUP now? I have 140k on my hemi and don’t have hemi tick so I guess I shouldn’t use Redline. Y’all are way smarter than me at this I just wanna make sure I keep my hemi running smooth for as long as I can.

For those that use trucks as trucks, our view is 20 wt is too light, promoting accelerated wear. OEM's changed to 20 wt to try to meet EPA's ever-increasing CAFE fuel economy regulations. You can pick up an mpg or so dropping viscosity. OEM's claim their engines are "fine" with light oils - but only as grocery-getters in moderate temperatures.

API responded under pressure by OEM's to THIN OUT the SAE viscosity grades when they released latest API quality level "SP". Therefore, today's 30 wt motor oils that were stout, higher viscosity 30 wts, are now extremely thin 30 wts, barely in the 30 wt viscosity band.

Essentially, API SP 30 wt is only a high vis 20 wt. Those motor oil makers that did not adopt API SP kept their motor oils in the high SP 30 viscosity. That is what we Hemi owners want for our engines to last, plus the extra additives that keep Hemi Tick at bay.

 

[Yardbird]

Would anyone run this oil in a Pentastar

 

[HEMIMANN]

Would anyone run this oil in a PentastarView attachment 575910

Sure, why not? Pentastar is conventional valve train arrangement (non-Hemi), doesn't need a bunch of additives to bandaid lack of oil.

A nice, stout 30 weight, too. Being a 5W-30, it doesn't matter too much to have a bunch of shear-stable VII additive either (unlike 0W-30, etc.).

 

[Yardbird]

I may try some next oil change, which will probably be around nest May.

I still have two 5 quart jugs and 1/2 of another jug of PUP 5/30. I could put them in the wife's Ford Edge with a 3.5.

I have PUP 5/30 in hers now (first run with it). It runs very well with it, but the valve train is louder at idle with the PUP than the Castrol it replaced.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I may try some next oil change, which will probably be around nest May.

I still have two 5 quart jugs and 1/2 of another jug of PUP 5/30. I could put them in the wife's Ford Edge with a 3.5.

I have PUP 5/30 in hers now (first run with it). It runs very well with it, but the valve train is louder at idle with the PUP than the Castrol it replaced.

Yup - I'm working on the same plan, as are a lot of us. Since the API SP spec watered down our oils, many of us are pondering what to do, in addition to Red Line moving from California to wherever they went to, and owned by Phillips-Conoco, with scarce, over-priced products.

Not sure what SOPUS is up to, they just feel like they've milked their cow for over a decade after their purchase of Pennzoil and rollout of PUP using GTL base oil and a bunch 'o detergent. I'd stay with that formula if they hadn't watered it down for API SP.

That said, ditching API SP can be dangerous for those of us with single injector turbo GDI engines, due to their propensity to detonate during the switch from lean burn mode to rich burn mode (accelerating onto a freeway ramp, for example). I mean, knocking is a recipe for holes in piston crowns.

Pentastar of course has no such risk.

 

[Burla]

I would run that in a non hemi for sure, one of the better base numbers we have seen. But the fs euro is just as good plus Moly. Whatever oil was posted earlier I forget exactly. whatever Travis said.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 is what Travis posted. More antiwear additives than 5W-30.

I'm investigating if it's OK to use this with single injector GDI engines. These are subject to LSPI, of course, and worse with a turbo.

 

[Jetsfan122]

Made my own thread on this , but was advised to ask my question here . So I found a case of redline buried in my garage . It’s got to be 5 years old . Google says redline has no shelf life , but I wanted the expert opinion here . Would it be safe to use or should I dispose of it. Haven’t opened a quart to see what the oil looks like . Thanks.

 

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